MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #24 Retrial

[rescuemom]

The logical thought would be the taillight pieces were found in and under the snow bank. However! The CW has never indicated they were found in the snowbank AFAIK. Plus if I understand Kevin O'Hara, the snow banks were not plowed all the way to the curb so the snowbanks were still positioned in the street. But John was not found by the snowbank either since he was 8-10 feet approximately on the grass. So where were these pieces of taillight found?

If someone would have marked or cordoned off where John's body was found before he was sent to hospital, then gathered the blood, maybe even shovel/clear the snow in that area, the additional accumulation would/could be noticeable and possibly photos with ruler marks as it accumulated.

If I understand, there was no tent/cover of a death scene nor security attending it that day and following days until the SP brought their crew along with tail light pieces. how does that happen?

 

[kuromiiiilove]

I found the case where Jessica Hyde’s testimony was excluded. Commonwealth V. Victor Arrington.

Ms. Hyde’s expert testimony was challenged in the case due to the reliability of FLH, Frequent Location History, from an iPhone. Ms. Hyde performed testing but acknowledged her limitations in understanding the proprietary algorithm that generated FLH data. The court found that Ms. Hyde’s testing was insufficient to establish the reliability of FLH data under Daubert-Lanigan, and excluded her testimony. This was just last year.

https://caselaw.findlaw.com/court/ma-supreme-judicial-court/115843122.html

ETA: I am not personally casting doubt on Ms. Hyde’s qualifications. I was curious what case Alessi was referring to.

 

[rescuemom]

The logical thought would be the taillight pieces were found in and under the snow bank. However! The CW has never indicated they were found in the snowbank AFAIK. Plus if I understand Kevin O'Hara, the snow banks were not plowed all the way to the curb so the snowbanks were still positioned in the street. But John was not found by the snowbank either since he was 8-10 feet approximately on the grass. So where were these pieces of taillight found?

We don't know as they were provided and collected and in evidence against KR for posterity

 

[jepop]

If KR is convicted, this judge's decision to disallow the defense witness who was lined up to testify as an FBI qualified expert on competent investigatory procedure, what standard protocols and procedures entail, will trigger a valid appellate issue. Moo

According to LYK and many other legal opinions I have read/listened to, this issue alone has could result in a new trial once again. IMO, this judge has allowed her bias to dictate her decisions, with no thought to the long term consequences. I wish she could be removed. She should have recused herself when she was asked to, she had the chance and refused to take herself off the case. Smh.

 

[kuromiiiilove]

Cannone is citing rule 2. Am I hearing/understanding correctly that they ARE allowed to bring up the MD judges decision?

ETA: Or, they cannot bring up the specific MD judge ruling to exclude, but they CAN bring up Ms. Hyde’s general methodology?

 

[pcrum12]

Wow - She actually gave one to the defense lol.

 

[RatFace]

Jessica Hyde Bio.
Jessica Hyde

She seems very nervous.

 

[kuromiiiilove]

Ms. Hyde is veryyy nervous, understandably so.

 

[kuromiiiilove]

Cannone is citing rule 2. Am I hearing/understanding correctly that they ARE allowed to bring up the MD judges decision?

ETA: Or, they cannot bring up the specific MD judge ruling to exclude, but they CAN bring up Ms. Hyde’s general methodology?

Okay, I rewound the video. Judge Cannone: ‘Because none of the purposes here in rule 2 are served by the admission of the MD trial judge’s decision, particularly where offered without notice to the court previously, I am excluding that decision. Your rights are saved, Mr. Alessi… and you certainly are free to cross examine Ms. Hyde on her methodology.’

So, the defense can’t explicitly bring up the judge ruling to exclude Ms. Hyde’s testimony in MD. But they can ask her about anything else.

 

[shotgun09]

Wow - She actually gave one to the defense lol.

IMO, she almost had to. Alessi is that good. She knows it, too.

 

[kuromiiiilove]

<modsnip: Quoted post was removed>I have tried SO so hard to reserve opinion on Judge Cannone and try to believe that she is acting in good faith. But that’s getting really hard. She has such a clear antagonistic tilt towards AJ and the defense team.

 

[kuromiiiilove]

I think Ms. Hyde may genuinely be too smart to be an effective witness for the CW. She’s deep diving where Brennan is asking for a simple answer.

 

[sunshineray]

Good morning! While this case is fascinating, I'd like to say a few words that are MY opinion and I've stated this in the past, but here me out.

There are 3 charges in this case and here is my take on the 3:

2nd Degree Murder - seriously? I don't even think many of the G's believe this theory. Even if she did hit him with her car, it is apparent that in the immediate aftermath, she had no idea. The voice mails left were raw and real and NOT something anyone would do immediately after killing someone in order to hide it. Not only that, you would also need to believe that she absolutely KNEW he was dead and not going to get up at some point and call the cops on her and have her arrested.
Leaving the Scene - see above
Vehicular Manslaughter - I think this is the one charge that people may get hung up on and it depends upon if you feel the evidence shows she DID in fact hit JOK with her car. From what I have read, there is a minimum sentence of 3 years in prison if convicted. I believe this is what she faces. It can go up to 10 years, but only with priors, etc...although who knows with this judge.

<modsnip - not victim friendly>

I am NOT victim bashing. I am only stating that I believe that there a lot of people in this situation that are without issues. JMO

I think the second degree murder charge has never been appropriate. I don't think KR hit him intentionally but I do think she knew, in that angry drunk-driving brain of hers, that she did in fact hit him. I don't think her brain started registering that he may have been disabled and exposed to the elements until she called JM, until then she was just thinking that so and so won't answer my calls, again! AJMO

Now her brain is in a different kind of panic thinking. That's why she lied about ever going to the house. She was immediately called on it by JM (who saw the car outside the house) and then the guilt and worry for JO, the man she loved, really started to hit her hard, hence her declarations of, "I hit him". She was in a nightmare and probably still legally drunk. AJMO

The whole I saw him go into the house didn't come until her sobering up, hours later and really considering what her culpability could bring to her life, including civil action against her. So I was there, I saw him go in, got angry at the waiting and left him there inside the house, thinking someone else will give him a ride home. AJMO

As I've said before, if she had pled to vehicular manslaughter she'd probably have be out by now on probation. Also AJMO

 

[kuromiiiilove]

Ms. Hyde is now explaining to Brennan how to ‘hos long’ 2:27am search can be backlogged. This will certainly be a major point for cross.

 

[Forest_Wood]

If someone would have marked or cordoned off where John's body was found before he was sent to hospital, then gathered the blood, maybe even shovel/clear the snow in that area, the additional accumulation would/could be noticeable and possibly photos with ruler marks as it accumulated.

If I understand, there was no tent/cover of a death scene nor security attending it that day and following days until the SP brought their crew along with tail light pieces. how does that happen?

The leader of this Canton police team testified he brought a tent from home to cover a deceased body. However because it took him an hour to get to the scene (likely purposely imo) JOK was gone by the time he got there. He never used the tent but he could have at least put it over the space where his body was supposedly laying and tape it off. I can’t even recall his name because he was so unimpressive in his testimony.
MOO

 

[rescuemom]

Jessica Hyde Bio.
Jessica Hyde

Is this going to be another 3-hour + WASTE OF TIME? Her voice is already giving me a headache. That up tick at the end of every sentence. Poor gal. I'm sure that she is well educated and very proud of her degrees, certifications, etc., and company and all the nat'l attention it can bring her, we know in the end she will be neutralized by Alessi. Thank god for Alessi.

WTH is this poor jury thinking??????

 

[arielilane]

@KristinaRex


Lots of notetakers on the jury right now, after Hyde says 2:27 is the time a tab was opened or brought from the background of Jen McCabe's phone, not the time "hos long to die in cold" was searched.


11:41 AM · May 7, 2025

 

[mzmarymac]

I think the second degree murder charge has never been appropriate. I don't think KR hit him intentionally but I do think she knew, in that angry drunk-driving brain of hers, that she did in fact hit him. I don't think her brain started registering that he may have been disabled and exposed to the elements until she called JM, until then she was just thinking that so and so won't answer my calls, again! AJMO

Now her brain is in a different kind of panic thinking. That's why she lied about ever going to the house. She was immediately called on it by JM (who saw the car outside the house) and then the guilt and worry for JO, the man she loved, really started to hit her hard, hence her declarations of, "I hit him". She was in a nightmare and probably still legally drunk. AJMO

The whole I saw him go into the house didn't come until her sobering up, hours later and really considering what her culpability could bring to her life, including civil action against her. So I was there, I saw him go in, got angry at the waiting and left him there inside the house, thinking someone else will give him a ride home. AJMO

As I've said before, if she had pled to vehicular manslaughter she'd probably have be out by now on probation. Also AJMO

I don't believe a plea deal has been offered in the case, but I might be wrong.

 

[arielilane]

@JHall7news


Hyde reiterates/confirms Ian Whiffin testimony the jury has already heard - that the 2:27 am time stamp on the "Hos long to die in cold" google marks when the safari tab was originally opened, not when the search was done on that tab.


11:44 AM · May 7, 2025

 

[rescuemom]

Maybe they could have improvised like they did with the red solo cups! Take some lint from a beanie and put it on a twig. Boom! Q-tip.

LOL!!!!!