MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #24 Retrial

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  • #741
One thing I want to point out is the butt dials - Yes they happen all the time but when I personally get a butt dial it continues into a voicemail that either you hear people talking or noise like walking - So how do we have such a large amount of butt dials with no voicemail? Who disconnected the call ?
 
  • #742
Regarding phone calls from JM to NA in the wee hours, I'm wondering why she wouldn't have immediately called her sister to see if JOK was even there, i.e. "hey, sorry to wake you, but KR just called me freaking out looking for John. Did he ever show up after we left maybe? Or did you guys ever hear from him, because he appears to have gone missing.
I have been wondering exactly this since Day 1!

As to the other part of your post, KerryR did call LE before she got together w/KR and JM.
 
  • #743
Agree - they did not want anyone in the house, it could not be any more obvi and suspicious. Jen calls CoCo to say Karen wants to come to your house - Coco says you have to stall we are still trying to hide the blood stains in the basement or wherever John's blood fell.
That blood did not fall ouside.
One of the weirdest things to me all along was that they bring Karen back to John's house to search there. Cmon. That just seems like a What? moment.
You go to where you dropped him off and start calling everybody.
The call to Nicole lasted 38 seconds - I timed that out - plenty of time to sound the alert etc.
JMO
Do we have video of them going back to John's? I recall seeing something.. maybe Kerry's? or Jen's testimony? I will have to go back and look now lol

If I'm in the conspiracy camp... and I want to know when someone would have the opportunity to pick up a few pieces of the tail light... would this be my chance? Is this when Karen was showing them her tail light?
 
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  • #744
One thing I want to point out is the butt dials - Yes they happen all the time but when I personally get a butt dial it continues into a voicemail that either you hear people talking or noise like walking - So how do we have such a large amount of butt dials with no voicemail? Who disconnected the call ?
I thought KR's lawyers did a good job of pointing that out. The call doesn't just end on it's own, even if we believe it's a butt dial, I don't know if butt hanging up is a thing lol
 
  • #745
One thing I want to point out is the butt dials - Yes they happen all the time but when I personally get a butt dial it continues into a voicemail that either you hear people talking or noise like walking - So how do we have such a large amount of butt dials with no voicemail? Who disconnected the call ?
Six in a row cut short before vmail.
Butt dials are normally of a random length, I mostly discover the butt dial and end it and lock the phone. Six in a row started and ended before vmail, seems beyond statistical probability Only time in my experience that happens is looking for a phone.
 
  • #746
I think she was removed from the home that night.
OH, that dog was NOT in the house. JMC went quietly into the room as to not give them a heart attack she said as if something terrible happened. AJ said, it did!! So, she just using that story, shows that no worries, because wouldn't the DOG have barked and barked and alerted them as soon as she went into the house??? IMO
 
  • #747
I thought KR's lawyers did a good job of pointing that out. The call doesn't just end on it's own, even if we believe it's a butt dial, I don't know if butt hanging up is a thing lol

It is in Canton MA ! Ask JMC, Brian Albert and Brian Higgins
 
  • #748
Boy this defense guy is very obnoxious in his demeanor while questioning, he won't let the witness answer his questions. He seems to want to make her seem unknowledgeable when all he's doing is making himself look abusive, MO
Hyde was constantly interrupting Alessi.
imo
 
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I thought KR's lawyers did a good job of pointing that out. The call doesn't just end on it's own, even if we believe it's a butt dial, I don't know if butt hanging up is a thing lol
Butts obviously have a mind of their own in Canton.
 
  • #751
If KR is convicted, this judge's decision to disallow the defense witness who was lined up to testify as an FBI qualified expert on competent investigatory procedure, what standard protocols and procedures entail, will trigger a valid appellate issue. Moo

According to LYK and many other legal opinions I have read/listened to, this issue alone has could result in a new trial once again. IMO, this judge has allowed her bias to dictate her decisions, with no thought to the long term consequences. I wish she could be removed. She should have recused herself when she was asked to, she had the chance and refused to take herself off the case. Smh.

Serious question: is there a way to submit a complaint on the judge? This has to be the most biased judge I’ve seen.

Many of the objections from the defence team have been ignored in
comparison to HB’s. Even her countenance is different between the two.
 
  • #752

I guess I'm bored but a couple questions. At this point and in the grand scheme of things known, does it matter or does anyone care anymore about the "2:27" call?????? AND does Brennans voice remind anyone of Anthony Hopkins voice in Silence of the Lamb????
YES! I don’t like to say anything derogatory because he is a brilliant litigator and probably a great guy. But, his voice can be soft, his diction difficult to understand and he asks questions in a bit of a monotone. Yet, he sounded vaguely familiar…..
 
  • #753
Oh wow so I didn't realize that not only does the CW say KR hit John at 12:31, but then she stuck around till at least 12:45 just sitting in her car? How did she back up into John and then still stay parked there for 15 more minutes? THAT seems unlikely.. seems if she hit him, she'd get the heck out of there.

This case makes less sense as the days go by.
And yet at 12:36 she is connected to John's wifi.
 
  • #754
Filed today
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The need to talk about, I believe, Nicole, always cleaning, cleaning with bleach, during the get together. Very important to get in about the 'hysterical' video of same, likes to drink per JMc, of the umbrella in Raining Men utube vid. Distractions and pointless, but not to JMc. Make sure to get those in on both trials. IMO
 
  • #757
Hyde is so unlikable. I don't understand anyone wanting to use her again. She can't stop herself from talking over defense. Disrespectful and smug.

Lady can't shut up for a second...
 
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  • #758
Hyde is really irritating right now with her fake cheer when replying to Alessi

Im still watching but she is a peculiar individual, in her demeanor, her return dialogue skills and inflection. Making her eye expressions comes across as condescending.
 
  • #759
Peter @ LYK totally disagrees with Cannone on not letting Alessi question Hyde on her past cases/opinions the Maryland case issues.
From what he said it appears that it's common practice when an expert is testifing to get into their past history.

@28:00

 
  • #760
Why are all of the CW witnesses argumentative....not answering simple yes or no questions?? Everyone of them so far. So exhausting.

You are absolutely correct! The trooper this morning enjoyed giving defiant responses.


He was rehearsed and cocky.
Could be
Not necessarily (regarding another trooper having more experience/knowledge)
Don’t recall
I didn’t pay attention because it wasn’t my responsibility (autopsy).
She could have been
No, you are incorrect
You have to ask her, not me
 
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