MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #24 Retrial

[LaineyJ]

I wonder if JOK being off-duty, drunk, carrying around open alcohol in a vehicle, insisting someone he knew would be drinking be his designated driver, and being found on another cop's lawn has anything to do with calling him Mister. But when it serves their purpose, these clowns refer to him as a cop.
MOO

I’m not the biggest fan of LE, but it really gets on my nerves that as you say, he’s really only referred to as a cop when it suits them. You’d think in a murder trial for a police officer, it would be mentioned nonstop by commonwealth AND their witnesses, especially those who are LE.

I have not lost sight of who this circus should actually be about and as I said despite not being a fan of LE (I think this case shows why..), JOK was someone who put his life on the line daily. They all do. I have not heard bad things about JOK the LEO. He’s not a man in the snow. Or a guy who supposedly never entered the house. John O’Keefe was a proud member of Boston PD.

Perhaps putting less of an emphasis on his job could benefit KR, I don’t know. It just really pisses me off that these people have minimized him to a nobody, as if he barely existed in their world, when he surely did. He was one of them, and in their own interests, they have ignored that.

all jmo.

eta I did not know that the court may have wanted him referred to as mister instead of officer. My post still stands though, it feels as though no one even cared he was a cop.

 

[LaineyJ]

I'm watching Emily Baker's trial coverage and she explained that it was essentially the court's ruling that he be referred to as Mr. O'Keefe and that all of the officers testifying wear civilian clothes and not their uniforms. I'll try to find a better explanation, since I forgot some of what she said. tl:dr The court said to call him Mr. O'Keefe.

Saw this after I posted a reply to the same person you did, but thanks for this info. I was unaware of this.

 

[LaineyJ]

Trooper Bukhenik said earlier: ‘The reason why we pair up is... people could get fired or retire and no longer be able to testify or provide their resource in future".

I have a feeling the CW won’t be calling Proctor…

Nooooooo

 

[PamCake]

Why are the shoelaces untied?
ETA: Scene photos would have been nice so that we could see if his sock was completely on or halfway off. I would imagine that the sock wouldn't be on all the way if he was "knocked out of his shoe".
IMO.

Interesting that you mentioned socks. I don't think I heard socks mentioned by YB when he listed the items in his bag...were there socks or not?

 

[shotgun09]

When is lunch? Where's the waffles and pizza today?
LOL

 

[PamCake]

I don't know the answer to that. Our family member is not a bar type person.

I don't know how it works in Boston/Canton but, I have a family member who is a Police Officer for St. Louis County, MO and he is required to carry his firearm, badge and identification when off-duty.

I'm assuming that the discrepancy between state gun regulations for cops may be due to the "firearm culture" within each state. Missouri is probably more of a "friendly" firearm state, while Massachusetts is considered not "firearm friendly". MOO

 

[Leilei]

Interesting that you mentioned socks. I don't think I heard socks mentioned by YB when he listed the items in his bag...were there socks or not?

One would think with it being that cold he would be wearing them, right?
Untied laces are really bothering me still.
IMO.

 

[dlsully62]

Glad you mentioned beyond a reasonable doubt (BARD).

A jury in no uncertain terms must be certain of the defendant’s guilt in order to render a guilty verdict.

A jury must be convinced that there is no other reasonable explanation that can come from the evidence presented (a unanimous verdict in criminal cases) at trial.

-- Ex: its reasonable (no doubt) that a pedestrian strike occurred after being hit (clipped, whatever the evidence may be) by the defendant’s vehicle, while operating under the influence of alcohol, and leaving the scene of a crime. (guilty)

-- If there is any doubt that the defendant cant be placed at the scene of the crime, that’s reasonable doubt. (not guilty)

The CW is on their way to proving their case, but theres more evidence to present, first and foremost, the accident reconstruction expert (for the CW) will be invaluable.

The CW does not have to provide motive.

In addition, BARD is not that there are butt dials, that the homeowner didnt come (there were no sirens) out of the house, or that BH dumped his phone at a military base.

Further, I disagree with your opinion about Ms. Hyde (forensic data analyst), thought she was a great witness for the CW and she's another witness that didnt allow defense to twist their words. She’s top in her industry, a male dominate career, she's a success; and I love that, she’s intelligent, kind, and respectful. The star witness for today. Oh, and the star witness destroyed the claim that John O’Keefe was climbing stairs. Debunked. Again.

However, Alessi, needs to re-review how to speak to a professional (to a person in general), how to be respectful in the courtroom, his loud tone is inappropriate and he possibly is losing some jurors. He apparently is an angry little man. The defense is not helping their “client” with the cross examinations Ive seen. They (defense) are desperate and deflated. Wonder why...

Just another bad day for the defendant, and another day of my opinion

I think we will have to agree to disagree as I think that Alessi did a great job.

On another note, Proctor is a sorry excuse of a human. imo. Doesn't really address any of your points but still...

 

[Wishbone]

I think we will have to agree to disagree as I think that Alessi did a great job.

On another note, Proctor is a sorry excuse of a human. imo. Doesn't really address any of your points but still...

you got my vote. JMOO

 

[kuromiiiilove]

Lunch! My goodness, yet another day for the poor jury without any word from the ME or the lead investigator. I’d be scratching my head for sure.

 

[sunshineray]

Except there’s no evidence John wanted to break up. No evidence of abuse. No texts, no friends confirming it, nothing. Just vibes and projection. MOO.

Lots of texts between the two on the 28th and 29th seem to suggest otherwise, but I suppose that's up for indivual interpretation by the jurors?

 

[kuromiiiilove]

So Trooper Bukhenik, who was disciplined for not reprimanding Michael Proctor’s vile behavior, got on the stand today and pretended he didn’t know who the texts were from in the group chat that he was quite literally investigated and disciplined for. Shameful, IMO.

 

[Angelwatch]

So Trooper Bukhenik, who was disciplined for not reprimanding Michael Proctor’s vile behavior, got on the stand today and pretended he didn’t know who the texts were from in the group chat that he was quite literally investigated and disciplined for. Shameful, IMO.

It's just not believable.

 

[arielilane]

IIRC didn’t his nephew testify trial 1 that they fought all the time, toward the end, over dumb stuff and he had asked her to leave and she wouldn’t?

I read so many articles that covered the children testimony last trial and that’s what I pieces together IIRC

I hope this time, they allow audio of their testimony.

Correct.

Trial Two: the CW has moved to prohibit any filming, photography, audio recording or transmission of the testimony of the minor niece and nephew of John O’Keefe.

jmo

 

[keek]

I , we, need the horrible people up on that stand. Trash their lies and despising of KR and why they they did, which will be lies, but good to see them picked apart. THEY better put them up. Def want JMC on the stand again.. I wonder i she will attempt to rechange memories or statements from being up recently. Important I would think for proctor to be on and def crossed. IMO

 

[kuromiiiilove]

Bederow’s thoughts re: Proctor

https://twitter.com/x/status/1920462733721428132

 

[Derph]

Well I just woke up on my couch. Thanks for completely putting me to sleep brennan!!! Nice job boring me to sleep. I feel bad for the jurors. What I saw on the videos I saw before I fell asleep sure showed me a completely normal boyfriend/girlfriend behavior between two people out with friends.

 

[sunshineray]

5.) A dead cop in your front yard is far better than one in your basement

I'd love to be told what the evidence of this is, especially considering the police officer testified today that KR said she didn't see JO go in the house before she left? Is there any evidence so far that places JO inside the Albert's house?

 

[sunshineray]

You did? I did not see that noted in the description of JOK's clothing. Sounds as though a thought you are envisioning of what you yourself believe? IMO

Today's testimony, officer displayed the clothes to the jury, including JO's pants

 

[keek]

I , we, need the horrible people up on that stand. Trash their lies and despising of KR and why they they did, which will be lies, but good to see them picked apart. THEY better put them up. Def want JMC on the stand again.. I wonder i she will attempt to rechange memories or statements from being up recently. Important I would think for proctor to be on and def crossed. IMO

Progress has been made on incorrect or not able to recall this time around, though their statements are in front of them from previous trial . I think more can be done to dispel their stories of that night and evermore. IMO