MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #25 Retrial

[Spider92]

Thank you @Izzylizzy for providing the link for the prosecution’s questioning of Daniel Wolfe from Arcca. I thought HB came off as a complete jerk and wonder if the jury felt the same way, HB seemed more concerned with nit picking technicalities than seeking justice. I thought DW did a good job keeping his cool. I’m not sure I would’ve done the same.

 

[Izzylizzy]

Thank you @Izzylizzy for providing the link for the prosecution’s questioning of Daniel Wolfe from Arcca. I thought HB came off as a complete jerk and wonder if the jury felt the same way, HB seemed more concerned with nit picking technicalities than seeking justice. I thought DW did a good job keeping his cool. I’m not sure I would’ve done the same.

My pleasure.

 

[MerlinFalcon]

Thank you.
I'm all over the place trying to somewhat catch up on trial #1 watching those testimonies.
I have to check out TB...long overdue.
Do you know who "Paul" is?
He met with Lucky months before Proctor and YB did at a skating ring(?) went outside to were cars were so Lucky could verify what kind of vehicle he saw parked in front of 34 Fairview around 3 am.

It might be Trooper Paul.
Edit: I’m wrong! See post 865. Thanks Izzy!

 

[K9T2L]

The burden of proof always lies on the local/state / federal government judicial system…THEY are the ones filing charges based on elements of crimes within that jurisdiction. If ALL elements outlined in that specific charge or NOT MET, charges CANNOT be filed…by constitutional law! District Attorneys are politicians that are elected and must prove their worth and ability every 4 years (in most jurisdictions) as are state judges! So these DAs that try and push some borderline , poorly investigated, rushed and one sided , mind-made-up of suspect with little to no evidence to back up their claims charges so they can get lucky and hope for a plea deal or very intept jury that convicts when they shouldn’t so these same DAs come election time , can run on high profile cases that shouldn’t have been brought , but were so they can keep their job…..:goes both ways though! The 1st DA that tried this case better have an updated resume , he won’t be around much longer after making a spectacle out of the 1st trial…..that’s why they brought big gun , special prosecutor in..:.who’s claim to fame btw, he was whitey bulger ( mob boss) prosecutor…::bulger could have been tried and convicted by a 1st year , just barley passed Bar exam lawyer , let along this guy….and it shows ..::BAD! FYI, this above statement is being made by a career, 19 year police officer that swore to uphold the very constitution and judicial predunce on the STATES BEHALF….i see and say things for what they are…common sense, non biased black and white fairness no matter which side your on!

 

[Izzylizzy]

It might be Trooper Paul.

Found him

Affidavit of PI .pdf

drive.google.com

 

[Spider92]

The 1st DA that tried this case better have an updated resume , he won’t be around much longer after making a spectacle out of the 1st trial…..that’s why they brought big gun , special prosecutor in..:.who’s claim to fame btw, he was whitey bulger ( mob boss) prosecutor

Rsbm. Hank Brennan was Whitey’s defense attorney. And I wonder if the jury knows that. Most people in town had probably never heard of KR before these trials….but everyone around here knows who Whitey Bulger is.

Hank Brennan - United States v Bulger - DA for James "Whitey" Bulger

Hank Brennan was a Defense Lawyer for James "Whitey" Bulger in the United States v Bulger Trial.

hankbrennanlaw.com

 

[Izzylizzy]

How AJ tracked down Brian "Lucky" Loughman and caught Proctor in another doozie of a lie.

snip



cont

Affidavit of Alan Jackson in Support of Motion for Order _ DPW.pdf

drive.google.com

 

[Izzylizzy]

Rsbm. Hank Brennan was Whitey’s defense attorney. And I wonder if the jury knows that. Most people in town had probably never heard of KR before these trials….but everyone around here knows who Whitey Bulger is.

Hank Brennan - United States v Bulger - DA for James "Whitey" Bulger

Hank Brennan was a Defense Lawyer for James "Whitey" Bulger in the United States v Bulger Trial.

hankbrennanlaw.com

It's not like Brennan freed the guy, he was convicted on every count..IIRC:
I don't get that this is supposed to be what warranted the CW paying him big bucks to prosecute KR?

 

[PamCake]

County.

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He or she would have to be local enough to be currently living in Norfolk County.

And yes, the names of all witnesses are read to prospective jury members to ensure (one hopes) that no one knows any of the parties.

Having been called for jury duty in Bristol County, MA nearly every 3 -6 years of my adult life, I do know that you get sent to courthouses that are pretty far from where you live. Only in special circumstances can you get assigned to a courthouse that is local to you. So, I’m thinking that distance keeps the “local knowledge” to a minimum. (I hope…)

 

[K9T2L]

Higgins' Jeep was almost certainly parked in the driveway when John got out of Read's vehicle.

None of the three witnesses saw it moving or saw it parked on the street where they waited for Julie Nagel to come out of the house. They did see Karen's car though. With her alone in it.

And there was no snow to be cleared at the time. Testimony by a prosecution hired meteorologist. It's a lie Higgins told to support his claim that the fake snow bank he created must have blocked his view of John's body on the lawn.

This entire case , in my opinion , is based upon “hope and pray” methodology….high profile case+high public interest..on both sides=State had to throw whatever they could at the wall to see what sticks for political purposes and to keep jobs come election time….i say this will sincere wholehearted honesty…I’ve been in and around law enforcement for nearly 20 years , travels all over country, met officers/agents from all walks of life from every alphabet agency DEA, FBI, CIA Secret Service and so on…I’ve instructed 100s of new narcotics /K9 officers all over the southeast and have listened to /heard stories about all types of different cases being dropped for political reasons (I.e mayors son arrested with 9 lbs of weed , handgun .. charges dropped due to “insufficient reported statements, length of traffic stop to wait for K9 to arrive to conduct FREE AIR SNIFF around vehicle…wait time per law says “reasonable amount of time” Prosecution made up law claim: 8 mins,31 seconds wasn’t reasonable at 1 AM , on call officers response time from home “too long” therefore dropped due to unconstitutional detention) Yet same prosecutor, nearly same type case minus handgun, traffic stop was 100 percent fine, traffic stop with K9 officer response time…21 mins , 42 seconds called “completely fine and within constitutional boundaries “ main difference between the two cars besides no gun found with the 2 kilos of cocaine on 2nd stop….WAIT FOR IT…… this suspect wasn’t connected or related to the mayor or anyone else in high position, he was a reg citizen passing through town…

Judicial systems should not be ran by elected District Attorneys with absolute power and little to no recourse with complete immunity…politics empowers these positions to do crazy unethical, unprofessional and unreasonable and frankly illegal at times decisions…all to hold that power as long as possibly and keep the powerful , connected and those in high places happy by turning the other way when corruption is taking place or “favors are needed”

That said, I no way am I claiming or suggesting that Karen Reads prosecutors are “ on the take” or corrupt , I don’t know anyone in that office in Mass and all info I have is same as everyone here following the case….however…SOMETHING is going behind the scenes for this ,or any responsible, ethical prosecutor to file these charges under the provided investigational reporting brought by the Mass State Police or Canton PD , with highly questionable, zero credibility lead investigator Proctors “ claims” and obvious evidence tampering on top of basic evidence and investigataory processes and collection of evidence WITHOUT identifying basic date/time/location and officer who found said evidence NOR memorializing any important case info on basic police reporting until over 2.5 years later…and these are just a few examples of absolute disgraceful , embarrassing sets of circumstances intentionally constructed by one or more sworn officers//troopers …no DA worth anything or in their right mind would attemp to bring such shoddy charges not once, but TWICE, to jury trial unless there was a much bigger contributing factor in the decision to do so that nobody is willing to let out the bag …..YET ANYWAY!

 

[K9T2L]

The burden of proof always lies on the local/state / federal government judicial system…THEY are the ones filing charges based on elements of crimes within that jurisdiction. If ALL elements outlined in that specific charge or NOT MET, charges CANNOT be filed…by constitutional law! District Attorneys are politicians that are elected and must prove their worth and ability every 4 years (in most jurisdictions) as are state judges! So these DAs that try and push some borderline , poorly investigated, rushed and one sided , mind-made-up of suspect with little to no evidence to back up their claims charges so they can get lucky and hope for a plea deal or very intept jury that convicts when they shouldn’t so these same DAs come election time , can run on high profile cases that shouldn’t have been brought , but were so they can keep their job…..:goes both ways though! The 1st DA that tried this case better have an updated resume , he won’t be around much longer after making a spectacle out of the 1st trial…..that’s why they brought big gun , special prosecutor in..:.who’s claim to fame btw, he was whitey bulger ( mob boss) prosecutor…::bulger could have been tried and convicted by a 1st year , just barley passed Bar exam lawyer , let along this guy….and it shows ..::BAD! FYI, this above statement is being made by a career, 19 year police officer that swore to uphold the very constitution and judicial predunce on the STATES BEHALF….i see and say things for what they are…common sense, non biased black and white fairness no matter which side your on!

Correction from original post: Defense attorney for Bulger, NOT prosecutor or in currently held position as special prosecutor

 

[Recidivist]

Hey K-9T2L:
Hi, its been my experience that it seems a good percentage of law enforcement is corrupt and dirty, not caring who they put in prison, whether guilty or not. Improper use of planted snitches, drug evidence re-used, in one case after another, with little to no accountability. It's not just the police, but many. It includes the folks charged with investigating child abuse cases, and all their workers, associates, lawyers and judges, secret court proceedings. I was taught to tell the truth, but it means nothing now, to so many.

You sound different. That you admit the truth about what really goes on is a good thing, and I appreciate it. Your posts have been enlightening. Thanks.

 

[jepop]

Thank you @Izzylizzy for providing the link for the prosecution’s questioning of Daniel Wolfe from Arcca. I thought HB came off as a complete jerk and wonder if the jury felt the same way, HB seemed more concerned with nit picking technicalities than seeking justice. I thought DW did a good job keeping his cool. I’m not sure I would’ve done the same.

I think there is some confusion here. ARCCA haven't testified in front of the jury yet in this trial. What you saw was HB questioning them last week in a sort of voir dire. Yeah he was horrible. The ARCCA witnesses will testify for the defense after the state rests their case.

 

[tricia]

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[K9T2L]

Can I get the defintion of theory?

I don't see any explaination that doesn't involve the dog.

Did he startle the dog?
Was the dog protecting someone?

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Oxford Dictionary: THE;ory definition;
“an idea used to account for a situation or justify a course of action”

Explanation that “doesn’t involve dog” would be found on most all trial transcripts /live televised hearings of Read case or numerous other media provided updates …hence the “Possible Theory” title and last paragraph/sentence in original post that starts with “ Either way, that’s ONE MORE THEORY” suggesting more than my one provided opinion ref possible theory

“Did he startle the dog? “ - Possibly, maybe, maybe not, it’s just another reasonable theory given the evidence /testimony that’s been shared to this point ..there a MANY “possibilities and theory’s floating around out there re this trial …likely due to the lack of actual investigative work , poor evidence management and processing as well as not documenting, writing reports or memorializing statements, specific instances, interviews, dates/times etc etc more importantly, the States clear and obvious lack of absolute, without a reasonable doubt facts that can prove or point to anyone or any incident that caused Johns unfortunate passing , let alone KAREN READ! Their own witnesses have disproven the states theory/claims ..NOT ONE witness has testified to seeing John in yard, laying injured or anything like that.

“Was the dog protecting someone”? Dogs be their very nature survive on “prey drive, defense drive” and have very protective instincts, especially cleo, the german shepherd mix apparently…that’s got a factually based and testified in open court “aggression towards strangers and other dogs” and recently sent “two women w/dogs walking by to the hospital “….so I would say she was not only protecting her “turf” or what we call in the field , being “territorial” to her home also providing “pack protection “ to the owners/residents

 

[jepop]

As far as I know all we know is it's a younger jury.
Mark Bederow did say that there's a retired LE on the jury.
How local?
I gather the name of the defendant, JOL their relatives and of all the wittiness/ relatives names would have been read to potential.

I think Mark Bedrow must have been talking about trial X 1 when he mentioned the retired cop. That info came out after trial x1. I don't think we know any particulars about this current jury. Jmo

 

[K9T2L]

Professor Was Accused of Hitting Cop Boyfriend with Car, Leaving Him to Die. Does New Evidence Exonerate Her?

Karen Read has been charged with second-degree murder, motor vehicle manslaughter and leaving the scene of a collision in the death of her off-duty Boston Police Officer boyfriend John O'Keefe.

people.com

Karen Read has been charged with second-degree murder, motor vehicle manslaughter and leaving the scene of a collision in the January 2022 death of her off-duty Boston Police Officer boyfriend John O'Keefe outside a Canton, Mass., home.

She's pleaded not guilty to the charges.

Leading up to his death, the couple of two years reportedly spent the night drinking and bar hopping with friends before Read, 43, dropped O'Keefe, 46, off at the home of a fellow off-duty police officer for an after-party, PEOPLE previously reported.

Prosecutors say as O'Keefe exited the vehicle, Read allegedly proceeded to make a three-point turn during a winter storm, striking her boyfriend in the process before driving off.

After O'Keefe failed to return home hours later, Read allegedly went looking for him, before finding his body in a snowbank outside the home where she allegedly left him.

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Does anyone know the laws in Massachusetts the deal with “confessions , spontaneous utterances and witness /suspect interviews and statements given under Miranda Rights freely and voluntarily??

In Ga, Miranda warning interviews or any statement given that’s not freely, voluntarily or given under duress, threat or coercion or ANYONE under the influence or alcohols/ drugs or mental mind altering substances are inadmissible in court….i would assume it’s same in MA seeing Miranda is federal case law ..

Reads B.A.C is I believe 0.07-0.08 concentration level at hospital, shortly after test , was interviewed at parents house ….wondering about thr legality of this or if it’s been raised at either trial….

 

[mrjitty]

You're right. Proctor was the one who was fiddlin' about with the Ring video on John's phone.

Kind of along the lines of the missing library footage? Remember the Canton IT guy who told Lally in the last trial that the CD Lally handed to him was NOT the same CD he handed to law enforcement? He wasn't happy about it either.

Proctor again? Karen certainly couldn't have pulled that feat off.

There is no missing Library footage. Karen connected to Johns home router at 12.36am (testimony Guarino).

 

[mrjitty]

According to Karen (her words)

KR: she said they joined friends for drinks, we were happy having fun, laughing, just very normal.

Yet, her defense team want you to believe no one liked John; and Karen’s being framed.


Karen and John were invited to the home of a fellow Boston cop.
Karen stated they pulled up to the house and she waited in her SUV while John went to check things out.
She watched him go to the door, put his head inside and then nothing.
She texted him
She called him and within minutes of him exiting her car, he’s not answering- SO, she leaves……..
Drove home. Fell asleep.


Video 2+ minutes

If we are applying the same standards that AJ applies to CW witnesses on cross, it is very odd to me that Karen never told any of the witnesses that morning that she saw John enter the house. She also apparently never told any of her friendlies that day (at least they never gave statements she told them*). And she never said it in her LE interview which she cut off.

So it's hard for me to take seriously, applying the AJ standard applied to Jen etc, that she is being truthful that later she remembered him going in the house.

I think Brennan will go big on this in closing. The version given in BITS is clearly fabricated IMO. Even if you argue that she was too drunk to remember what happened, and thus wondered if she might have hit John because others planted the idea, it's not credible that months later, she suddenly clearly remembers he went in the house.

Especially the lack of supporting testimony from friendlies is a red flag for me. Will her Dad and brother take the stand to explain the condition of the tail light before it went to the Sallyport?

We can see from Ring that they get a clear look at it and pointedly don't dust any snow from it.

Now obviously these interviews are a clear D strategy to build a version that won't be subject to X. AJ and Yannetti are experienced attorneys and know this stuff would be admissible against Karen but did it anyway. So none of this surprises me. But it is odd to me that the defendant came up with a BITS version that is so at odds with hard evidence. For instance why did she claim she called John before she left when AJ and Yannetti surely knew that wasn't true?


* obviously there would be hearsay issues with this at trial but at least it would provide some support as to what she was telling witnesses.

Above post is my opinion only based on watching trial testimony.

 

[Tortoise]

There is no missing Library footage. Karen connected to Johns home router at 12.36am (testimony Guarino).

Yes, she would have been on the footage they do have, if she'd gone that route, so she must've gone a different route back to John's, IMO.

That's assuming the library motion-activated camera is activated by road traffic.