MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #25 Retrial

[mrjitty]

Yes, she would have been on the footage they do have, if she'd gone that route, so she must've gone a different route back to John's, IMO.

That's assuming the library motion-activated camera is activated by road traffic.

It's an interesting question why Yannetti claimed that. Did Karen tell him? Unfortunately it can't be used against her at trial, but it is interesting how the defence create these conspiracies that deepen the suspicion - yet are not actually true - but remain part of the supposed evidence of Proctors corruption. For me the biggest debunking of this conspiracy is the FBI were all over it yet didn't find any evidence of his alleged corruption. What they found was a guy gossiping/leaking to his mates and drinking on the job. Bias? Yes. I am glad he was fired but i don't see the evidential leap to the idea he corruptly framed the defendant.

He wasn't at the SERT search. He didn't delete library footage. There is no evidence he deleted Ring videos. What he did was gossip about whether Karen had nudes.

The other thing (and this is my speculation), if the FBI really thought Read was framed, wouldn't they be doing a bit more about it? IMO it's possible at some point, based on the "deleted search" and ARCCA, they though there might have been something to it. But the Touhy dump makes pretty clear they never found any hard evidence. And then the 2.27am theory was thoroughly debunked. So my guess is, they don't think she was corruptly framed.

IMO the bowman strategy about errors in the investigation makes way more sense than conspiracy which has to involve 3 sets of parties. 1) The real killers, 2) Jen and Kerry's coverup, 3) Framing by Proctor.

My opinion only.

 

[K9T2L]

Hey K-9T2L:
Hi, its been my experience that it seems a good percentage of law enforcement is corrupt and dirty, not caring who they put in prison, whether guilty or not. Improper use of planted snitches, drug evidence re-used, in one case after another, with little to no accountability. It's not just the police, but many. It includes the folks charged with investigating child abuse cases, and all their workers, associates, lawyers and judges, secret court proceedings. I was taught to tell the truth, but it means nothing now, to so many.

You sound different. That you admit the truth about what really goes on is a good thing, and I appreciate it. Your posts have been enlightening. Thanks.

Hey Recidivist, appreciate you responding and reaching out, appreciate you taking the time to read my posts and put thought into the content. As of Jan 1 of this year their are just under 900,000 active police officers /sworn law enforcement personal in the U.S. On average , during a 8 hour shift ( although most agencies are moving to 12 hr shifts) a police officer will respond to anywhere brtween 4 to 11 calls for service per shift. Not including backing up another officer or other misc non citizen needed assistance ( 911 calls, non emergency incidents , traffic accidents etc etc) At these calls for service and depending on the situation or investigation being started, the officer will come into contact with not only the original caller/complainant /victim, but also any offenders, witnesses, neighbors, family members etc….Officers an average come into contact with or have citizen encounters as many as 350 different people monthly (lower depending on jurisdiction, population size etc but on average)

Why am I sharing these stats and info? Of the nearly million officers in the US, times the amount of citizen contacts being made for any number of reasons that comes out to a boat load of interactions , investigations no matter how serious or minor, etc…off all these officer/citzen encounters that add up into the millions in the US each year you would think there would be a news channel dedicated to only reporting the daily law enforcement corruption and complaints that many feel goes on more than what’s reported and at a higher rate than the last reported 2.7 percent bad apple officers fired or investigated for misc reasons …:There are bad actors / apples in every walk of life, career field, level of government so on so on…if your a human being living in today’s society, your not far from and in close proximity to someone doing something against the law, against moral and ethical standards and excepted values and character…:THE ONLY reason you hear about bad officer news is because it sells papers and gets clicks , certainly not saying they aren’t out there, trust me they are, but not to the extent of what you and or general public may perceive.

These types of discussions and dialogues where you and I can have different views on some things and align on others is exactly what society needs these days ….appreciate you my friend, look forward to chatting some more soon!

 

[nightowl1975]

Nor did the hear the sound of a 220 pound man being struck by a 3 ton SUV. Or a Jeep, for that matter. Must all be very hard of hearing.

Could also help explain why they “slept through” all the commotion on the lawn, dog included.

 

[arielilane]

Jackson's cross examination of a witness is interesting... is he trying to get his client convicted... my own opinion​

Katie McLaughlin, Firefighter Paramedic, Full Testimony: Karen Read Trial​

Posted six days ago

Timestamp 49:16

AJ i hit him i hit him it's my fault i did it it's my That's a confession correct

KMcL she said "I hit him i hit him i hit him i hit him.”

AJ And officer Sarif just stands there and my client walks away correct

KMcL you'd have to talk to officer Sarif about that

AJ oh we have

49:37

 

[tara83]

It's an interesting question why Yannetti claimed that. Did Karen tell him? Unfortunately it can't be used against her at trial, but it is interesting how the defence create these conspiracies that deepen the suspicion - yet are not actually true - but remain part of the supposed evidence of Proctors corruption. For me the biggest debunking of this conspiracy is the FBI were all over it yet didn't find any evidence of his alleged corruption. What they found was a guy gossiping/leaking to his mates and drinking on the job. Bias? Yes. I am glad he was fired but i don't see the evidential leap to the idea he corruptly framed the defendant.

He wasn't at the SERT search. He didn't delete library footage. There is no evidence he deleted Ring videos. What he did was gossip about whether Karen had nudes.

The other thing (and this is my speculation), if the FBI really thought Read was framed, wouldn't they be doing a bit more about it? IMO it's possible at some point, based on the "deleted search" and ARCCA, they though there might have been something to it. But the Touhy dump makes pretty clear they never found any hard evidence. And then the 2.27am theory was thoroughly debunked. So my guess is, they don't think she was corruptly framed.

IMO the bowman strategy about errors in the investigation makes way more sense than conspiracy which has to involve 3 sets of parties. 1) The real killers, 2) Jen and Kerry's coverup, 3) Framing by Proctor.

My opinion only.

The thing to me is are you okay to convict someone when you see the behavior of the police and the shoddy way the evidence was collected? Would you as a jury member accept evidence collected in paper cups and bags and a cop fired from bias who other cop still insist has integrity? To me it's bigger that KR and I would hope people would see this is Not okay.

 

[arielilane]

Timestamp 17:17
DY: Ive read the affidavit.
Manslaughter is a tremendous reach in this case
I dont see any criminal intent that would justify manslaughter in that affidavit - there is a reason for that - because there was no criminal intent.



KR posted the $50K cash bail after her arraignment.

Posted two years ago

bbm

He cited media interviews and a five-part docuseries called “A body in the Snow: The Trial of Karen Read" in which Read says, “And then when I hired David Yannetti, I asked him those questions the night of Jan, 29th. ‘Like David what if, I don't know, what if I ran his foot over, or, or, what if I clipped him in the knee and he passed out and or went to care for himself and he threw up or passed out and David said, ‘Yeah then you have some element of culpability.’ So that's how I thought about things for about three days."

Prosecutors hope to use Turtleboy's phones to show Karen Read's 'consciousness of guilt'

The prosecution is also seeking access to Karen Read's texts, emails and communication with her attorney in the days after John O'Keefe' death.

www.wcvb.com

 

[lohrtabitha]

Jackson's cross examination of a witness is interesting... is he trying to get his client convicted... my own opinion​

Katie McLaughlin, Firefighter Paramedic, Full Testimony: Karen Read Trial​

Posted six days ago

Timestamp 49:16

AJ i hit him i hit him it's my fault i did it it's my That's a confession correct

KMcL she said "I hit him i hit him i hit him i hit him.”

AJ And officer Sarif just stands there and my client walks away correct

KMcL you'd have to talk to officer Sarif about that

AJ oh we have

49:37

In my opinion kmcl is a pretty little liar. She wanted to fit in to the Kaitlynn Albert club. If she heard Karen say she hit him, isn't she going to ask what did you hit him with in assessing the patient? Once again, no report writen. This report is common procedure in EMTs line of duty. The LYKs father who is a seasoned attorney pointed that out. Or did she already know before arriving to the scene that JOK was hit by a car? Things that make you go hmmmm.

 

[missy1974]

Good morning fellow trial watchers! Looking forward to testimony today, it will give us something new to talk about.

I wonder if YB will have a different demeanor today? It would go much quicker if he would just answer the questions.

 

[Wishbone]

In my opinion kmcl is a pretty little liar. She wanted to fit in to the Kaitlynn Albert club. If she heard Karen say she hit him, isn't she going to ask what did you hit him with in assessing the patient? Once again, no report writen. This report is common procedure in EMTs line of duty. The LYKs father who is a seasoned attorney pointed that out. Or did she already know before arriving to the scene that JOK was hit by a car? Things that make you go hmmmm.

Yes, her dishonest testimony to include being friends with those in the photos she was pictured with not to include CA being an actual friend. I've lost count of how many dishonest witnesses the cw has had sworn in to testify. JMOO

 

[Warwick7]

She is from Court TV:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1921920671375847847

 

[missy1974]

She is from Court TV:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1921920671375847847

The sally port video... another wt moment from the 1st trial.

Those are the moments that can not be repeated this trial and seems unfair to any defendant. JMO

 

[mrjitty]

The thing to me is are you okay to convict someone when you see the behavior of the police and the shoddy way the evidence was collected? Would you as a jury member accept evidence collected in paper cups and bags and a cop fired from bias who other cop still insist has integrity? To me it's bigger that KR and I would hope people would see this is Not okay.

Yes that is what I said in my post. IMO AJ ought to have focussed on the Bowman aspect rather than his triple conspiracy of which he has little evidence.

 

[Angelwatch]

It's an interesting question why Yannetti claimed that. Did Karen tell him? Unfortunately it can't be used against her at trial, but it is interesting how the defence create these conspiracies that deepen the suspicion - yet are not actually true - but remain part of the supposed evidence of Proctors corruption. For me the biggest debunking of this conspiracy is the FBI were all over it yet didn't find any evidence of his alleged corruption. What they found was a guy gossiping/leaking to his mates and drinking on the job. Bias? Yes. I am glad he was fired but i don't see the evidential leap to the idea he corruptly framed the defendant.

He wasn't at the SERT search. He didn't delete library footage. There is no evidence he deleted Ring videos. What he did was gossip about whether Karen had nudes.

The other thing (and this is my speculation), if the FBI really thought Read was framed, wouldn't they be doing a bit more about it? IMO it's possible at some point, based on the "deleted search" and ARCCA, they though there might have been something to it. But the Touhy dump makes pretty clear they never found any hard evidence. And then the 2.27am theory was thoroughly debunked. So my guess is, they don't think she was corruptly framed.

IMO the bowman strategy about errors in the investigation makes way more sense than conspiracy which has to involve 3 sets of parties. 1) The real killers, 2) Jen and Kerry's coverup, 3) Framing by Proctor.

My opinion only.

DiCicco watched the ring videos, made notes, and now footage can’t be found. Those notes never made it into Proctor’s report and the video is missing. That’s not a conspiracy the defense created. It actually happened.

I don’t know how the pieces of tail light found by SERT got there. But I do know it is beyond plausible that Trooper Proctor found additional pieces over several weeks, including one big old piece when he just happened to be driving by alone. The snow had melted in prior searches. These weren’t hidden in a snow bank.

 

[arielilane]

@KristinaRex


New -- Commonwealth wants evidence of Aruba "incident" now part of trial, by questioning new witnesses not previously planned. Prosecutors say defense opened the door to this when they had Bukhenik read Higgins-Read texts about JOK's alleged cheating.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1921930956006363620

 

[mrjitty]

DiCicco watched the ring videos, made notes, and now footage can’t be found. Those notes never made it into Proctor’s report and the video is missing. That’s not a conspiracy the defense created. It actually happened.

Yes but it is not proven when they were deleted. The CW case is they never had possession of the missing videos.

I don’t know how the pieces of tail light found by SERT got there. But I do know it is beyond plausible that Trooper Proctor found additional pieces over several weeks, including one big old piece when he just happened to be driving by alone. The snow had melted in prior searches. These weren’t hidden in a snow bank.

Right but that seems a fairly silly conspiracy. If he was going to plant them why would he plant them in stages over weeks and then he and Yuri would find them and document it all 'suspiciously' in multiple tranches? He'd just plant them and organise for YB to find them all at once. The simply fact is it's not possible for Proctor to have planted the SERT pieces originally recovered and it is those pieces which matter.

MOO

 

[Derph]

Looks like Hank's wants to bring the Aruba girls back for round 2 after specifically saying he wasn't going to bring them back. Hank's in panic mode IMO!

 

[lohrtabitha]

Yes that is what I said in my post. IMO AJ ought to have focussed on the Bowman aspect rather than his triple conspiracy of which he has little evidence.

I don't know Mr. J. , There is 3,000 page FBI report that was sent to the defense to open this door. While we aren't privy too everything in it, let's see if AJ can bring some light or if "that so called door can be opened."

 

[mrjitty]

Timestamp 17:17
DY: Ive read the affidavit.
Manslaughter is a tremendous reach in this case
I dont see any criminal intent that would justify manslaughter in that affidavit - there is a reason for that - because there was no criminal intent.



KR posted the $50K cash bail after her arraignment.

Posted two years ago

bbm

He cited media interviews and a five-part docuseries called “A body in the Snow: The Trial of Karen Read" in which Read says, “And then when I hired David Yannetti, I asked him those questions the night of Jan, 29th. ‘Like David what if, I don't know, what if I ran his foot over, or, or, what if I clipped him in the knee and he passed out and or went to care for himself and he threw up or passed out and David said, ‘Yeah then you have some element of culpability.’ So that's how I thought about things for about three days."

Prosecutors hope to use Turtleboy's phones to show Karen Read's 'consciousness of guilt'

The prosecution is also seeking access to Karen Read's texts, emails and communication with her attorney in the days after John O'Keefe' death.

www.wcvb.com

This is why i argue the BITS "testimony" is fabricated.

There is no way she would have thought she hit John if she saw him go in the house.

I speculate that the defendant's behaviour that day was driven by the possibility that 34F or the neighbours might have had video of the incident - the defendant covered for that in 'not remembering' if she might have hit John.

Whatever the truth of that night, IMO it is clear the defendant does not actually remember seeing John go in the house. If she had, she would have remembered it that morning, or at least later that day.

My speculation only.

 

[Angelwatch]

Yes but it is not proven when they were deleted. The CW case is they never had possession of the missing videos.



Right but that seems a fairly silly conspiracy. If he was going to plant them why would he plant them in stages over weeks and then he and Yuri would find them and document it all 'suspiciously' in multiple tranches? He'd just plant them and organise for YB to find them all at once. The simply fact is it's not possible for Proctor to have planted the SERT pieces originally recovered and it is those pieces which matter.

MOO

So are you saying DiCicco made up the notes? He made notes with time stamps as he was the person tasked with watching videos. Now there’s no video. And those notes never made Proctor’s report. These are facts. It’s not a conspiracy pushed by the defense as your post stated.

I never stated Proctor planted the pieces found by SERT. I actually don’t believe he did. I believe those small pieces came from Karen’s driveway. Not sure who planted them. But I do believe they were picked up and added to the unsecured crime scene by someone.

 

[Maat99]

It's an interesting question why Yannetti claimed that. Did Karen tell him? Unfortunately it can't be used against her at trial, but it is interesting how the defence create these conspiracies that deepen the suspicion - yet are not actually true - but remain part of the supposed evidence of Proctors corruption. For me the biggest debunking of this conspiracy is the FBI were all over it yet didn't find any evidence of his alleged corruption. What they found was a guy gossiping/leaking to his mates and drinking on the job. Bias? Yes. I am glad he was fired but i don't see the evidential leap to the idea he corruptly framed the defendant.

He wasn't at the SERT search. He didn't delete library footage. There is no evidence he deleted Ring videos. What he did was gossip about whether Karen had nudes.

The other thing (and this is my speculation), if the FBI really thought Read was framed, wouldn't they be doing a bit more about it? IMO it's possible at some point, based on the "deleted search" and ARCCA, they though there might have been something to it. But the Touhy dump makes pretty clear they never found any hard evidence. And then the 2.27am theory was thoroughly debunked. So my guess is, they don't think she was corruptly framed.

IMO the bowman strategy about errors in the investigation makes way more sense than conspiracy which has to involve 3 sets of parties. 1) The real killers, 2) Jen and Kerry's coverup, 3) Framing by Proctor.

My opinion only.

Bbm. I’m sure the fbi was as surprised as the rest of us to find out that conclusive independent evidence that JOK wasn’t killed by a car didn’t cause the CW to drop the motor vehicle manslaughter case against KR.