MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #25 Retrial

[keek]

Poor Yuriy. His testimony so far has reminded me of an underappreciated and overworked employee at a company which is facing a sudden staffing crisis due to a number of employees being fired, quitting, or going on long term sick leave in quick succession and he's seen his workload drastically increase as a result. So now he's having to deal with the aftermath of Proctor's various misdemeanours, read out the Higgins-Read text bork-a-thon in full, make excuses for why the Alberts don't own Chloe any more.

JMO

In the infamous words of JMc. He's telling them everything! (against his will really bad) IMO

 

[waldojabba]

While I do not believe that Karen Read killed JOK, she is such an immature woman. I am appalled at her court decorum. Just incredulous. She'll get off, which is okay since I do believe she is innocent, but guaranteed this woman will cause issues like this the rest of her life.

BBM above

Such a cynical take...but who really knows
I believe where there is life there is hope and that people have an infinte capacity for change
when they are ready / This forty something generation is all immature imo
I have to believe that going through these trials and being surrounded by a more stable crowd has been an eye opener for her and a growth experience.

As for her courtroom demeanor I am not sure what you mean exactly
I think she has chosen to just be herself and in some ways I give her credit for that
I am sure she could have found a consultant to restyle her and to make her more sympathetic looking and acting - maybe take away the sharp edges and tough exterior.
But instead I believe she chose authenicity - unlike so many others in that courtroom.
And I kind of applaud that.
JMO

 

[Elliot_Alderson]

BBM above

Such a cynical take...but who really knows
I believe where there is life there is hope and that people have an infinte capacity for change
when they are ready / This forty something generation is all immature imo
I have to believe that going through these trials and being surrounded by a more stable crowd has been an eye opener for her and a growth experience.

As for her courtroom demeanor I am not sure what you mean exactly
I think she has chosen to just be herself and in some ways I give her credit for that
I am sure she could have found a consultant to restyle her and to make her more sympathetic looking and acting - maybe take away the sharp edges and tough exterior.
But instead I believe she chose authenicity - unlike so many others in that courtroom.
And I kind of applaud that.
JMO

I don't know what people want. If she was smiling all the time there'd be a problem with that. If she has a frown all the time there'd be a problem with that. If she was "unemotional" that would be twisted into an issue. JMO

 

[bobbymkii]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1920928627480248467

I haven't followed true crime cases in real time for decades like some people in this thread have. But Bederow is bang on the money, "None of this is normal."

Normally when defense attorneys criticise a police investigation, it seems like they're nitpicking, finding anything that might just plant the seeds of reasonable doubt necessary to get their client acquitted. But in this case, it's everywhere, all of the time. There are major flaws in every part of the investigation that led to MA vs Karen Read making it to trial (twice!)

JMO

 

[shotgun09]

AJ is not finished with YB. I see all, if not most of the day Monday with continued cross. A re-direct by Brennan would be foolish, however too much damage was done. ( IMO ). And if so, you betcha AJ will come back with a few more bites.

Yuri definitely drew the short straw, and was the chosen one to replace them ( CW ) calling Proctor, Brian A, Brian H. That move has back-fired.

 

[LaineyJ]

BBM above

Such a cynical take...but who really knows
I believe where there is life there is hope and that people have an infinte capacity for change
when they are ready / This forty something generation is all immature imo
I have to believe that going through these trials and being surrounded by a more stable crowd has been an eye opener for her and a growth experience.

As for her courtroom demeanor I am not sure what you mean exactly
I think she has chosen to just be herself and in some ways I give her credit for that
I am sure she could have found a consultant to restyle her and to make her more sympathetic looking and acting - maybe take away the sharp edges and tough exterior.
But instead I believe she chose authenicity - unlike so many others in that courtroom.
And I kind of applaud that.
JMO

No matter how she acts or presents, people will find something wrong with it. It’s just human nature, we all have opinions.

I will say that while I appreciated that docuseries thing, I can’t tell whether it made people understand her more or make them dislike her.

 

[kuromiiiilove]

AJ got YB to acknowledge in front of the jury that investigators never requested the phone records of Brian Albert or Brian Higgins, and that he wasn’t aware of any calls made at 1:35 AM or 2:22 AM (The famous butt dials). He even admitted he relied on Higgins telling him, and didn’t check for himself.

That raises a big question: how did the defense end up with those call logs if law enforcement never pulled them? I feel like AJ has much more to come on Monday. MOO.

 

[LaineyJ]

AJ is not finished with YB. I see all, if not most of the day Monday with continued cross. A re-direct by Brennan would be foolish, however too much damage was done. ( IMO ). And if so, you betcha AJ will come back with a few more bites.

Yuri definitely drew the short straw, and was the chosen one to replace them ( CW ) calling Proctor, Brian A, Brian H. That move has back-fired.

And again I ask,

How are we having a murder trial with key players and investigators being excluded?!

That tells you all you need to know about the CW case (lack of)

 

[BUF]

'This guy should be fired for that testimony alone. He is a bad apple in a noble profession. He should have been shown the door with Proctor.

Oh I agree….but the CW needed “someone” to put on the stand to try to testify after they insisted on re-trying this case.

You have to wonder if they are regretting this decision now.

 

[minazoe]

I'm still not understanding what we were supposed to garner from the text messages. Sounds like Karen was the one looking to cheat and kissing other people. Is the story about John making out with a friend at the hotel even true? what is the final text supposed to tell us ? what do we take away?

"John died."

mOO

 

[keek]

BBM above

Such a cynical take...but who really knows
I believe where there is life there is hope and that people have an infinte capacity for change
when they are ready / This forty something generation is all immature imo
I have to believe that going through these trials and being surrounded by a more stable crowd has been an eye opener for her and a growth experience.

As for her courtroom demeanor I am not sure what you mean exactly
I think she has chosen to just be herself and in some ways I give her credit for that
I am sure she could have found a consultant to restyle her and to make her more sympathetic looking and acting - maybe take away the sharp edges and tough exterior.
But instead I believe she chose authenicity - unlike so many others in that courtroom.
And I kind of applaud that.
JMO

I applaud it 100 percent.

 

[kuromiiiilove]

I'm still not understanding what we were supposed to garner from the text messages. Sounds like Karen was the one looking to cheat and kissing other people. Is the story about John making out with a friend at the hotel even true? what is the final text supposed to tell us ? what do we take away?

"John is dead."

mOO

The point of those texts wasn’t about Karen at all. It was about Higgins IMO.

 

[waldojabba]

AJ is not finished with YB. I see all, if not most of the day Monday with continued cross. A re-direct by Brennan would be foolish, however too much damage was done. ( IMO ). And if so, you betcha AJ will come back with a few more bites.

Yuri definitely drew the short straw, and was the chosen one to replace them ( CW ) calling Proctor, Brian A, Brian H. That move has back-fired.

The P seems to be losing their side bars too today. AJ seems to have come back out of them asking mostly the same questions/staying with the same topic in his questioning of YB.

 

[HarmonyE.]

Emily D. Baker made an interesting, and I'd say very accurate point. Brennan has been much more clear and crisp in his direct questioning than the droning, meandering Lally ever was. But this has had the effect of making the defense's job on cross much easier. On balance, all testimony has been much more clear and easy for Jackson especially to work with.

Bukhenik has been such a disaster for the CW. Does Proctor get called by either side?

 

[waldojabba]

I'm still not understanding what we were supposed to garner from the text messages. Sounds like Karen was the one looking to cheat and kissing other people. Is the story about John making out with a friend at the hotel even true? what is the final text supposed to tell us ? what do we take away?

"John is dead."

mOO

Yes iirc from trial one, John was wasted on vacation with a crowd of people they had traveled with - day drinking and clearly wasted. Karen walked into the lobby of the hotel looking for John and he was in the arms of another woman who was a family friend. They were "canoodling".
afaik from this case Booze is not your friend
JMO

 

[arielilane]

Re: Jackson's cross

Dont know how the text messages between KR and BH help his client.

Ive noticed; and not only today, that Jackson loses his train of thought at times. Not focused at times.

Asking a witness to view a grainy video (Waterfall bar) and point out people and ask them what they are thinking and doing is not productive. Thought it was leading the witness. Jackson trying to establish hostilely is a fail. There is absolutely no evidence of a conspiracy in this case.

*Hes going for third party culprit (BA/BH).

The jurors should have been required to be mind readers to help them out with the bar footage.

ADA Brennan is masterful at utilizing video footage. Jackson not so much

About those Text Messages...

-- She's begging to hook-up with BH.
-- She couldn’t wait to text BH and text “John died” (Saturday, 1/29/2022, 11:54 am)

(observation: She has no issue with announcing "John’s dead” or "John died”

-- She likes to drink and talk about drinking way more than what is normal
-- She is so upset w/John so has no problem inviting BH to stay at her house, apparently begged him at times
-- She does not like children
-- She had not let go of the NYE incident
-- She is overly concerned about other women - insecure personality

-- BH went to the military base on a regular basis!

Edit *

Opinion is my own

@JHall7news


The video is grainy, poor quality. This is a section where Brian ALbert is holding Higgins from behind. Buhkenik says he may be imitating the "heimlich maneuver"

https://twitter.com/x/status/1920918224746566085

Right at 1pm - jury sees the last text in the chain. Higgins and Read shared some brief texts on Sun Jan 23. KR wrote phone works. Brian wrote "thought you were all set?" KR answers: "with talking, no. " Then five days later this page is read.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1920887995126747370

 

[detectivewannab]

I'm still not understanding what we were supposed to garner from the text messages. Sounds like Karen was the one looking to cheat and kissing other people. Is the story about John making out with a friend at the hotel even true? what is the final text supposed to tell us ? what do we take away?

"John is dead"

who did she send that to and when?

 

[waldojabba]

Emily D. Baker made an interesting, and I'd say very accurate point. Brennan has been much more clear and crisp in his direct questioning than the droning, meandering Lally ever was. But this has had the effect of making the defense's job on cross much easier. On balance, all testimony has been much more clear and easy for Jackson especially to work with.

Bukhenik has been such a disaster for the CW. Does Proctor get called by either side?

My bet is No for the P / And that it is still an open option in the D's toolbox depending on where they think they are after the P rests JMO

 

[dlsully62]

This was so tedious and so indicative of how YB has been behaving with defense all along.

There were three passengers in the car. He basically said since he had already intervewed the driver Ryan Nagel, he had no burning need to interview the other two. So he waited what 15 months?

Just let that sink in.

Three eye witnessess in a car behind Karen's at 34 Fairview during the time John went "missing".

But he was following the evidence lol. He could not be bothered to probably even read the ARCCA report and they are not interviewing witnessess - he and Proctor had solved the crime the day of.

'This guy should be fired for that testimony alone. He is a bad apple in a noble profession. He should have been shown the door with Proctor.
Everyone local knows the state police have had trouble with scandals ( overtime pay etc) - is a guy like this representative of the culture? I hope not.
JML

It's not really necessary to let the sink in... Such a travesty. Who waits a year and a half before interviewing an eyewitness? AND IN A MURDER CASE? Preposterous. Ya, ya, ya he and Proctor had solved the crime. This testimony literally made my stomach sick.

 

[dlsully62]

I'm still not understanding what we were supposed to garner from the text messages. Sounds like Karen was the one looking to cheat and kissing other people. Is the story about John making out with a friend at the hotel even true? what is the final text supposed to tell us ? what do we take away?

"John is dead."

mOO

The take away is motive that there may have been an altercation between JOK and another person; likely BH.