MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #26 Retrial

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RSBM

If you go back and watch O'Hara from trial 1, you'll see he is examined and cross examined without being able to reference his reports and notes. The actual answer is in the reports and in the evidence bags. This was highlighted when IIRC Yannetti was testing him about some measurements, but he can't answer exactly because he isn't allowed to look at his reports.

This is just one of these procedural quirks IMO.
I still would like to know how many pieces of taillight were actually found as that was my original question. It certainly isn't evident in the chain of custody for all those pesky little pieces of taillight. JMOO
 
  • #262
Good morning from day 15 of testimony in the Karen Read trial. Read said she is feeling better as she walked in to the courthouse a short time ago - according to my former coworker
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JOK's niece and nephew are here (minors) and could testify for the prosecution today. Court officers just reminded us of the order that prevents any recording/streaming of their testimony.

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I think it's likely that the prosecution will call the ME, Dr Scordi-Bello, because she examined the body and found that there was evidence of hypothermia.

The article does state it's likely that there will be more than listed. Perhaps they will call her as a rebuttal witness, restricted to that issue, if the defense calls Dr Laposata.

IMO

Do they not have to call the ME to establish part of the actus reus?

Like most of the trial is tied up in the car vs fight stuff as to what caused the fatal injury, but when i went to school the CW also have to prove that he died from said injury. Seems trivial but it is a technical proof point that you need to have?

IMO
 
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I still would like to know how many pieces of taillight were actually found as that was my original question. It certainly isn't evident in the chain of custody for all those pesky little pieces of taillight. JMOO

IMO it likely is clear from the evidence logs and reports - it's us in the cheap seats who don't know. I agree it would be nice to know.
 
  • #265
Where there's smoke there's fire.Yes that sounds like a great basis for convicting someone!

This is why i never watch court tv lol
 
  • #266
IMO it likely is clear from the evidence logs and reports - it's us in the cheap seats who don't know. I agree it would be nice to know.
It is not clear from their logs and reports or we would be seeing them. Just more evidence of a botched investigation. JMOO
 
  • #267
We can consider the paramedic's testimony, it was admissible evidence. She was interviewed by police the next day and reported it then. As she testified - it wasn't her role to write a report of the incident, she was the ambulance driver.

And it wasn't just one paramedic KR said it to. Timothy Nuttal also testified she said 'I hit him' as he was attending to John, and he reported it in his interview with police on 8th Feb 2022.


It was and every other paramedics duty to write a report. Here is the protocall:
When an EMS or paramedic responds to the scene of an accident, this sparks a report or record. The EMS or paramedic will generate a report and the report will show the following:

Time of call
Time of arrival on-scene
Personnel responding
Address of the accident
Statements made by the victim
Vitals of the victim (Blood pressure, heart rate, etc.)
Time sent to emergency room or medical facility
Location of the emergency room or medical facility
 
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IMO it likely is clear from the evidence logs and reports - it's us in the cheap seats who don't know. I agree it would be nice to know.

What evidence logs?
 
  • #269
I saw Karen hurry off out of the court room after sidebar. I hope she's feeling ok.
 
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Court TV reporting court is in recess "for an unknown amount of time."
I hope she's okay.
IMO.
 
  • #272
Gee, I wish they didn’t cut Karen off literally mid sentence in clip 19. If I were a juror I would be so curious to see the full clip.

Kaylee is up, John’s niece. No live tweeting or live streaming of the minors testimony. I’m sure Sue O’Connell and others will recap after.
 
  • #273
Oh great back to the clips! More useless tactics and waste of time. Tell me, who remembers the 5th clip that hank showed early in the trial? What about the 8th one? or the 12th?

And now the desperate Hail Mary by the failing CW.... the kids!! Just to remind everyone, the juror's interviewed after the 1st trial said this left a bad taste in their mouths, but who's kidding who, good taste left the Canton a loooooooooooong time ago!
 
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Oh great back to the clips! More useless tactics and waste of time. Tell me, who remembers the 5th clip that hank showed early in the trial? What about the 8th one? or the 12th?

And now the desperate Hail Mary by the failing CW.... the kids!! Just to remind everyone, the juror's interviewed after the 1st trial said this left a bad taste in their mouths, but who's kidding who, good taste left the Canton a loooooooooooong time ago!
Hank is calling them for the same reason it’s rumored he’s calling the Aruba Girls, even though he said he wouldn’t. He’s desperate and YB’s testimony went south in a big way. MOO.
 
  • #275
I can't let the paramedic not writing a report go. So I dug deeper and found the State of Massachusetts protocall. The paramedics in this case did not follow state protocall.
Here it is:
injury is not suspected (See 7.4 Pediatric Transport for more).
PATIENT CARE REPORTS AND DATA COLLECTION
 The EMS System regulations require an accurate, concise and properly documented patient care
report to be completed at the time of the call or as soon as practicable afterwards for all patient
encounters. Pertinent data must be left at the receiving hospital at the time of transport. The
regulations also require that patient care reports include the minimum required data elements, as
defined by the administrative requirement (A/R 5-403).
 Note that EMS personnel dispatched to an EMS call in a certified ambulance vehicle of any class
(Class I through V) must always complete an appropriately documented patient care report. This
is required under 105 CMR 170.345 of the EMS System regulations. See last bullet under Patient
Approach, above.
 Clinically relevant data must be conveyed to a nurse, physician assistant or physician before
leaving the receiving facility.
 The patient care report(s) must include clinically relevant ECG tracings, 12-lead tracings and
waveform capnography tracings when obtained.
 Additional data elements may be collected at the request of your Affiliate Hospital.
I think it's likely that the prosecution will call the ME, Dr Scordi-Bello, because she examined the body and found that there was evidence of hypothermia.

The article does state it's likely that there will be more than listed. Perhaps they will call her as a rebuttal witness, restricted to that issue, if the defense calls Dr Laposata.

IMO
Oh yes, the one who wrote there was multiple blows to the head. She will be great for the defense. I think she was the one who also put the cause of death as undetermined. Moo
 
  • #276
I can't let the paramedic not writing a report go. So I dug deeper and found the State of Massachusetts protocall. The paramedics in this case did not follow state protocall.
Here it is:
injury is not suspected (See 7.4 Pediatric Transport for more).
PATIENT CARE REPORTS AND DATA COLLECTION
 The EMS System regulations require an accurate, concise and properly documented patient care
report to be completed at the time of the call or as soon as practicable afterwards for all patient
encounters. Pertinent data must be left at the receiving hospital at the time of transport. The
regulations also require that patient care reports include the minimum required data elements, as
defined by the administrative requirement (A/R 5-403).
 Note that EMS personnel dispatched to an EMS call in a certified ambulance vehicle of any class
(Class I through V) must always complete an appropriately documented patient care report. This
is required under 105 CMR 170.345 of the EMS System regulations. See last bullet under Patient
Approach, above.
 Clinically relevant data must be conveyed to a nurse, physician assistant or physician before
leaving the receiving facility.
 The patient care report(s) must include clinically relevant ECG tracings, 12-lead tracings and
waveform capnography tracings when obtained.
 Additional data elements may be collected at the request of your Affiliate Hospital.

Oh yes, the one who wrote there was multiple blows to the head. She will be great for the defense. I think she was the one who also put the cause of death as undetermined. Moo
 
  • #277
Hank is calling them for the same reason it’s rumored he’s calling the Aruba Girls, even though he said he wouldn’t. He’s desperate and YB’s testimony went south in a big way. MOO.
Just my personal opinion but I don't see how KR and JO could have a thriving relationship, dispute free, with all that alcohol involved on both sides.
 
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Just my personal opinion but I don't see how KR and JO could have a thriving relationship, dispute free, with all that alcohol involved on both sides.
I agree. People tend to be at their worst when drinking, IMO.
 
  • #280
Hoping the testimonies of the two minors go relatively quick. No cross was attempted with them in T1. Hoping for the same this time around.
Unless there is another ' I heard her say "I hit him" " suddenly revealed that is.....

Poor kids.....
 
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