MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #27 Retrial

[SteveS]

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I think the jury will infer, whatever happened to John, happened at approx 12.32 when his phone stopped moving forever, he ceased answered any messages/calls, and his phone remained in pocket state for 1000s of events.

The BITS version itself presupposes this i.e John goes inside immediately he arrives at 12.24 - then his phone goes dead just 8 mins later. Karens version implies that the reason he did not come out, is because he'd been attacked.

So I do think the D is, in practical terms, also committed to 12.32.

MOO

Respectfully, again you misstate the evidence (and draw your conclusion from misstated "facts").

You are saying "the jury will infer" which is purely an opinion, but more importantly it's not at all what the defense is arguing. Your conclusion is based on circular reasoning, that the conclusion you've come to is the evidence for it. No the def is NOT arguing for that time - merely showing that it's not right.

In addition, your time claims about what's going on with JOK phone is just not accurate. His phone did not "go dead" at 12:32. And the location data has NO data for the entire 12-minute period starting at 12:24. At 12:36 there is location data again. (Those are from cw witness.)

 

[Soulmagent]

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LIVE! Read Trial 2 Day 17: Unbelievable Order​

@13 05 ,TLYK
Plays the video of Karen from court talking about the glass on his nose.
She say she plucked it off and blood gushed from the spot.
Dead people do not bleed , So it has me wondering when his TOD was said to have been?
I know when they say the CW is speculating the injury happened .
Did I miss it?

 

[mrjitty]

I just briefly listened again and I don't understand how you think Alessi is saying that Cycle 1162 is during that time period?

Alessi points out to the judge that Welcher (Aperture) has the 1162 cycle at a specific time 12:38-12:43, saying that seconds DO matter. (on another note... Welcher says12:38-43??? lol I don't understand that one either lol)

His argument to me is all about the timing of his last phone usage/KR hitting him and what the CW has said up until now, and we are close to the end of the CW case, they are now "changing" their timeline and Alessi is saying.. #1 that after they cross examined witnesses, they know they are wrong and have changed it. #2 they have asked questions of witnesses with that original timeline or that they didn't ask questions because of it. #3 ARCCA needs to be able to look at this new report.

Here is the best I can explain it - please keep in mind that we are piecing together info from 2 motions hearings, based on new Lexus data we never saw in T1. I am not trying to argue for anything - this is simply my understanding of what Alessi was saying. Please accept it on that basis.

Alessi is arguing about the variance between Lexus clock and IOS clock for 2 events - the 'collision event' in 1162 and John's last steps/actions recorded by his phone. Alessi argues (cross of Whiffin) that the final IOS step happens some number of seconds after the 'collision event'. Alessi argues (cross of ME) that John was instantly capacitated and took no steps after his head injury. Alessi thus concludes that the collision event was not John because it happens too many seconds before his final steps (DiSorga variance calculation).

If 1162 is on a different day then these seconds would not matter. Of course the D can argue in the alternative in theory, but I am not sure it would wash in practice.

IMO/MOO

 

[Warwick7]

<modsnip> ... msm stating the jury sent the Judge a note asking her to stop interfering with the defense so they the jury can listen to the witnesses.
(Is this why she was so hearty to admonish them about giggling and looks?)

Peter just started addressing Cannone's order.

<modsnip: Howie Carr is not MSM>

 

[Izzylizzy]

<modsnip>

<modsnip> ... msm stating the jury sent the Judge a note asking her to stop interfering with the defense so they the jury can listen to the witnesses.
(Is this why so was so hearty to admonish them about giggling and looks?)

Wow and thank you.
Good for them.
Also we don't know for sure who mumbled under their breath and since jurors don't have mics did she really blame them for her mumble?
Was it a female's voice?
I couldn't make it out.

imo

 

[Wishbone]

@13 05 ,TLYK
Plays the video of Karen from court talking about the glass on his nose.
She say she plucked it off and blood gushed from the spot.
Dead people do not bleed , So it has me wondering when his TOD was said to have been?
I know when they say the CW is speculating the injury happened .
Did I miss it?

In addition to seeing Read, Rice treated O'Keefe when he was rushed to the hospital after being found in the snow.O'Keefe was in cardiac arrest and had a body temperature of 80.1 degrees when he arrived. He had no pulse, and also had a cut, and other scratches on his forearm.

What was Karen Read's blood alcohol level on the night John O'Keefe died? Experts testify at trial

The prosecutor in the Karen Read murder trial focused on Read's blood alcohol level the night John O'Keefe died.

www.cbsnews.com

7:59 a.m.: O'Keefe is pronounced dead at Good Samaritan Hospital.

What happened in the Karen Read case? Timeline of investigations, trials

As the second trial against Karen Read concludes, there’s a lot to keep in mind — from the hours before John O’Keefe’s death three years ago to her acquittal on all charges besides operating under the influence.

www.nbcboston.com

 

[MerlinFalcon]

@13 05 ,TLYK
Plays the video of Karen from court talking about the glass on his nose.
She say she plucked it off and blood gushed from the spot.
Dead people do not bleed , So it has me wondering when his TOD was said to have been?
I know when they say the CW is speculating the injury happened .
Did I miss it?

I couldn’t figure out why the Prosecution played this. Blood doesn’t gush from a dead body so if she’s telling the truth about the gush, it means she hit him so hard at 1230 and at 6 he was still alive on the lawn yet his temperature was 80. How can that be? Normal is 98 annd he was lying in the snow on frozen ground with snow falling on him for over 5 hours And how did the glass get there? Did she throw it at him and it exploded into his face, then hit him on the back of the head as he bent down to pick up the glass but wait! He would have been unconscious. So how was his arm torn apart?

 

[Soulmagent]

Really great ways to prove a few things . Why didnt the CW try them?

How Does a Person Freeze to Death?

 

[lohrtabitha]

<modsnip> ... msm stating the jury sent the Judge a note asking her to stop interfering with the defense so they the jury can listen to the witnesses.
(Is this why she was so hearty to admonish them about giggling and looks?)

Me thinks the jury is staying towards the defense by wanting to hear the answers to their questions. Outstanding!!!

 

[Warwick7]

1. Higgins texted “you coming here” at 12:20am

2. JO & KR arrive outside 34F at 12:21am

3. JO’s phone records 80 steps and 3 flights of stairs
4. John's Apple Health data shows he ascended/descended 3 flights of stairs between 12:23 & 12:35am, proving he wasn't incapacitated yet. Karen had to have departed 34 Fairview by 12:29, as her phone connected to John's WiFi at 12:36. John was still active at 12:35, and therefore, had not been mortally injured by Karen Read.

M00 He was in that house and down those steps to his demise. ME was informed there was a party and altercation in that house.

 

[kuromiiiilove]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1923773611770355974

 

[ShadyLady]

1. Higgins texted “you coming here” at 12:20am

2. JO & KR arrive outside 34F at 12:21am
12:21-12:24am

3. JO’s phone records 80 steps and 3 flights of stairs

M00 He was in that house and down those steps to his demise. ME was informed there was a party and altercation in that house.

And if John jumped out of the SUV as soon as Karen pulled up by the driveway, there is no way Ryan and passengers could have seen John as their sight-line was blocked by SUVs in the driveway!

Later John's phone could have been placed in a Faraday bag to hide movements. IMO

 

[Warwick7]

And if John jumped out of the SUV as soon as Karen pulled up by the driveway, there is no way Ryan and passengers could have seen John as their sight-line was blocked by SUVs in the driveway!

Later John's phone could have been placed in a Faraday bag to hide movements. IMO

Exactly!!!

 

[Warwick7]

Someone please refresh my memory. Something about a car repairman fixing John's Vehicle so it looked like Karen had never reversed into it at 5am.

 

[KSwizzle]

Told you even the jury would be able to see how biased judge Cannone is, what a joke this trial is moo

 

[MerlinFalcon]

Someone please refresh my memory. Something about a car repairman fixing John's Vehicle so it looked like Karen had never reversed into it at 5am.

Jen McCabe made this comment all flustered when she was on the stand. The car repair guy was at John’s house on, I believe, January 30th. So is it normal for a grieving family to be so concerned about the condition of his vehicle 40 or so hours after his death? Or, did they want to make it seem like Karen didn’t hit his car not knowing there was video proof? MOO

 

[geevee]

Jen McCabe made this comment all flustered when she was on the stand. The car repair guy was at John’s house on, I believe, January 30th. So is it normal for a grieving family to be so concerned about the condition of his vehicle 40 or so hours after his death? Or, did they want to make it seem like Karen didn’t hit his car not knowing there was video proof? MOO

Did she say it in Trial #1 or the current one?

 

[MerlinFalcon]

Did she say it in Trial #1 or the current one?

Current one

 

[geevee]

Current one

Thanks, I totally missed that.

 

[kuromiiiilove]

Jen McCabe made this comment all flustered when she was on the stand. The car repair guy was at John’s house on, I believe, January 30th. So is it normal for a grieving family to be so concerned about the condition of his vehicle 40 or so hours after his death? Or, did they want to make it seem like Karen didn’t hit his car not knowing there was video proof? MOO

I want to know who actually called the car guy.