MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #27 Retrial

[HarmonyE.]

Were his wounds swabbed? The scratches , cuts, etc for human or canine DNA?

They weren't

 

[jepop]

Yep, I knew this would be the outcome as soon as the issue was raised. JMO

Yes, me too.

I'm wondering about what LYK, Peter Tragos, will have to say. I think he will eventually stop being surprised when his predictions for judge cannone's rulings don't come to pass. Imo his predictions to date have been founded on an assumption that despite appearances cannone is basically a normal, fairly impartial judge, ultimately wanting to uphold her profession and rule with integrity.

After this latest set of rulings I'm looking forward to watching his commentary and hearing what he makes of cannone now. So far he has stretched himself to find legitimate reasons for why cannone rules as she does.I really enjoy LYK and think Peter is upfront and honest in his opinions and definately strives to be impartial. Moo

 

[jepop]

Were his wounds swabbed? The scratches , cuts, etc for human or canine DNA?

No. Imo no testimony that the ME did anything beyond photographing and measuring them, minus depth.

 

[Hazelnutty]

Don't have twitter, available anywhere else???

There is a reporter in the court room from a local boston station that does nothing but report on the jurors reactions during the trial and testimony - she puts her comments on twitters. Her observations also get reposted widely IMO/IME
JMO

Does Websleuths allow you to post the reporters name? Or is that a no-no? TIA

 

[waldojabba]

Does Websleuths allow you to post the reporters name? Or is that a no-no? TIA

She is main stream media nbc boston so here you go

https://twitter.com/x/status/1923361981194453112

 

[mrjitty]

“Yannetti said” isn’t evidence

IMO

Yannetti did the same thing with the photographer e.g pointing out that the photographer could not know what happened with John's Traverse before the photos were taken.

But the witness can never testify to things that happened before their direct experience. It's simply the case with every single witness, and every crime scene photographer and every single lab tech.

It's a fairly standard technique of cross to point these things out, but unless Yannetti has some evidence that Proctor fixed up John's car in the five day gap, it's speculation and not probative of anything. Especially as you say, Yannetti cannot testify or give evidence - though counsel seem to increasingly try to do that these days in my opinion.

All MOO.

 

[mrjitty]

For me the most interesting development of the week was Alessi's apparent concession that Key Cycle 1162 with the high speed reversing event did in fact occur the night of John's death around 12.32 am.

Per EDM expert DiSorga, Alessi argues for a 38s time variance that cannot be reconciled with the Lexus clock. i.e John took some steps and locked his phone a few seconds after the impact event. The CW argues for a smaller variance, placing the phone lock a few seconds before impact.

But at helicopter view, it is extremely difficult to reconcile Alessi's concession re 1162 with the defendant's public statements about this case.

In particular I think it might be hard to convince a jury that Karen was driving 24 mph in reverse and leaving behind broken tail light, just moments before John was murdered by the people in the house.

All my opinion, based on the motions hearing arguments by Alessi and Brennan.

 

[Spectrix]

For me the most interesting development of the week was Alessi's apparent concession that Key Cycle 1162 with the high speed reversing event did in fact occur the night of John's death around 12.32 am.

Can you possibly like to the source and timestamp? I must have missed this. Thanks.

Edit... link even

 

[SteveS]

In particular I think it might be hard to convince a jury that Karen was driving 24 mph in reverse and leaving behind broken tail light, just moments before John was murdered by the people in the house.

"...just moments before John was murdered by the people in the house"..... You have completely misconstrued all this. The defense has not proposed (or committed to) any specific time when JOK was murdered, nor any specific place.

They are instead just saying his death was NOT by a vehicle, and furthermore the cw's time and sequence in their claims is not possible, and furthermore the supposed evidence of any of that is trying to be "proven" with sketchy evidence "collection" and collectors (~cough~ Michael Proctor ~cough~) who had a bias against KR (along with abysmal storing of evidence, maintenance, and record-keeping).

As for where it did happen, or exactly when, no one knows (and it's not the defense's job to know), and the shoddy investigation (focusing solely on and biased against someone who did not do it) has perhaps made it impossible to find out.

In any event, JOK's murder certainly could not have been done by KR, and the cw's supposed proof is fairly worthless and cannot be relied on.

 

[kuromiiiilove]

So true @jepop ….. and IIRC weren’t there also some early statements or remarks in the early investigation attributed to trooper proctor…… questions to proctor along the lines of ‘I imagine someone might catch some flack (my word choice) over this matter of an individual found deceased on their lawn’ …… to which proctor apparently said ‘no, home of a local police officer’….. (or the like)? SMH.

That sure IMO seems an attempt to try and avert or extinguish so-called probable cause. Which IMO is troubling that it occurred early during the ‘investigation’. SMH. IANAL. MOO

Yep! Proctor was texting his childhood friend about the case. The friend said ‘I’m sure the owner of the house will receive some sh—‘
Proctor responded: ‘Nope, homeowner is a Boston police officer as well’

Why was Trooper Proctor suspended? A look back at his offensive texts about Karen Read

Massachusetts State Police Trooper Michael Proctor, the lead investigator in the Karen Read murder case, was suspended without pay after a duty status hearing Monday. He had already been relieved of duty and had his police-issued cruiser, gun and gear taken away, but was still collecting a...

www.nbcboston.com

 

[mrjitty]

Can you possibly like to the source and timestamp? I must have missed this. Thanks.

Edit... link even

Sure - I discussed it in more detail yesterday with the timestamp (Alessi argues before and after Brennan). However they then had another motions hearing about this yesterday.

I was most interested that he said that case turns on mere seconds. Especially he says that the defence strategy was effectuated (i.e in cross) on those fine timings. Especially the cross of Whiffin. So were the defence saying that Cycle 1162 is on a different day, none of this would matter. Of course we do need to allow for the fact that the defence can argue in the alternative, but IMO it sounds like the CW have strong evidence that 1162 is the F34 trip.

I think the most relevant part starts at 2 hours 22.

MOO

 

[mrjitty]

"...just moments before John was murdered by the people in the house"..... You have completely misconstrued all this. The defense has not proposed (or committed to) any specific time when JOK was murdered, nor any specific place.

RSBM

I think the jury will infer, whatever happened to John, happened at approx 12.32 when his phone stopped moving forever, he ceased answered any messages/calls, and his phone remained in pocket state for 1000s of events.

The BITS version itself presupposes this i.e John goes inside immediately he arrives at 12.24 - then his phone goes dead just 8 mins later. Karens version implies that the reason he did not come out, is because he'd been attacked.

So I do think the D is, in practical terms, also committed to 12.32.

MOO

 

[imstilla.grandma]

Krowski says the momentum typically favors the prosecution heading into a retrial. “We’re always at a disadvantage,” he said, due to the ability of prosecutors to fine-tune and improve their strategy.

“The tie goes to the runner.”​

“It would be a shame if she did do it and got away with it. But the police have themselves to blame (and) no one should be very proud of what they were involved in,” Fredette said, referring to the Canton house party and the subsequent police investigation.

“How that jury will ever reach a unanimous decision I’ll never know."
​

https://www.patriotledger.com/story/news/courts/2025/05/17/karen-read-canton-ma-murder-retrial-john-okeefe-boston-police/83042810007/

 

[jepop]

"...just moments before John was murdered by the people in the house"..... You have completely misconstrued all this. The defense has not proposed (or committed to) any specific time when JOK was murdered, nor any specific place.

They are instead just saying his death was NOT by a vehicle, and furthermore the cw's time and sequence in their claims is not possible, and furthermore the supposed evidence of any of that is trying to be "proven" with sketchy evidence "collection" and collectors (~cough~ Michael Proctor ~cough~) who had a bias against KR (along with abysmal storing of evidence, maintenance, and record-keeping).

As for where it did happen, or exactly when, no one knows (and it's not the defense's job to know), and the shoddy investigation (focusing solely on and biased against someone who did not do it) has perhaps made it impossible to find out.

In any event, JOK's murder certainly could not have been done by KR, and the cw's supposed proof is fairly worthless and cannot be relied on.

Thanks @SteveS for this. I think it's a really good summary of the basics of what the defense is trying to achieve and imo doing so pretty effectively to date. Just wanted to offer support because right back from last year I've always found your posts really informative on the big picture.

 

[Spectrix]

Sure - I discussed it in more detail yesterday with the timestamp (Alessi argues before and after Brennan). However they then had another motions hearing about this yesterday.

I was most interested that he said that case turns on mere seconds. Especially he says that the defence strategy was effectuated (i.e in cross) on those fine timings. Especially the cross of Whiffin. So were the defence saying that Cycle 1162 is on a different day, none of this would matter. Of course we do need to allow for the fact that the defence can argue in the alternative, but IMO it sounds like the CW havehaveong evidence that 1162 is the F34 trip.

I think the most relevant part starts at 2 hours 22.

MOO

Thanks, it appears to me that the prosecution have paid their expert to change their report, and are now claiming that the clock on JOK's phone must have been set to 21 seconds into the future... Just to suit their own narrative.

It seems pretty typical of the underhanded tactics they've used throughout this case and it's unsurprising that the defence have raised objection to the issue.

 

[Soulmagent]

Thanks, it appears to me that the prosecution have paid their expert to change their report, and are now claiming that the clock on JOK's phone must have been set to 21 seconds into the future... Just to suit their own narrative.

It seems pretty typical of the underhanded tactics they've used throughout this case and it's unsurprising that the defence have raised objection to the issue.

Seems a lot of his witness want to correct their testimony after they leave the stand.
Now Jen maybe subject to recall. And a few others.
Also their reports . Bringing the guy up to correct an error at this point could backfire on the CW . It seems to be one more thing they sat on in this case and messsed up on. Good lawyer is not goning to hide mickey mouse things like " I dont remember who I gave the evidence to , whoever case it was at the time ,or uh..whoever handed it to me ." Not exact but you get it.

 

[Warwick7]

She is main stream media nbc boston so here you go

https://twitter.com/x/status/1923361981194453112

Thank you for this. I just went and read her Twitter. I like her takes on the trial.

 

[Warwick7]

For me the most interesting development of the week was Alessi's apparent concession that Key Cycle 1162 with the high speed reversing event did in fact occur the night of John's death around 12.32 am.

Per EDM expert DiSorga, Alessi argues for a 38s time variance that cannot be reconciled with the Lexus clock. i.e John took some steps and locked his phone a few seconds after the impact event. The CW argues for a smaller variance, placing the phone lock a few seconds before impact.

But at helicopter view, it is extremely difficult to reconcile Alessi's concession re 1162 with the defendant's public statements about this case.

In particular I think it might be hard to convince a jury that Karen was driving 24 mph in reverse and leaving behind broken tail light, just moments before John was murdered by the people in the house.

All my opinion, based on the motions hearing arguments by Alessi and Brennan.

Wait a minute....

Alessi's apparent concession??

 

[Izzylizzy]

Yes, me too.

I'm wondering about what LYK, Peter Tragos, will have to say. I think he will eventually stop being surprised when his predictions for judge cannone's rulings don't come to pass. Imo his predictions to date have been founded on an assumption that despite appearances cannone is basically a normal, fairly impartial judge, ultimately wanting to uphold her profession and rule with integrity.

After this latest set of rulings I'm looking forward to watching his commentary and hearing what he makes of cannone now. So far he has stretched himself to find legitimate reasons for why cannone rules as she does.I really enjoy LYK and think Peter is upfront and honest in his opinions and definately strives to be impartial. Moo

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[Warwick7]

Yep! Proctor was texting his childhood friend about the case. The friend said ‘I’m sure the owner of the house will receive some sh—‘
Proctor responded: ‘Nope, homeowner is a Boston police officer as well’

Why was Trooper Proctor suspended? A look back at his offensive texts about Karen Read

Massachusetts State Police Trooper Michael Proctor, the lead investigator in the Karen Read murder case, was suspended without pay after a duty status hearing Monday. He had already been relieved of duty and had his police-issued cruiser, gun and gear taken away, but was still collecting a...

www.nbcboston.com

BBM
Ugh! I wish I would have kept a list of each and every idiot prat remark, post, and text Proctor made.
Kudos to you @kuromiiiilove !!