MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #28 Retrial

[keek]

My theory on the hair...
It was in the car and whoever was in the car, the tow truck driver, crime collection staff, LE, whoever was physically in the car could have inadvertently brought it out with them. It doesn't even need to be "planted".

JMO

That was a thought to me as well, kids have been in the car and JOK as well of course. KR took them around to anywhere they needed or wanted to be as well. It seems more likely that this is what transpired, it came from inside the car. Just that the two photos are different and that hair is super tiny. How was it found? Did someone there do a vacuum for hair? We know pretty much that those taillight pieces were not found at the scene that morning. Fits in with the scenario. IMO

 

[jepop]

My theory on the hair...
It was in the car and whoever was in the car, the tow truck driver, crime collection staff, LE, whoever was physically in the car could have inadvertently brought it out with them. It doesn't even need to be "planted".

JMO

Endless scenarios for transfer!

 

[Anniesflowers]

I think it would be more believable if she woke up saying “did John pass out on BA’s couch?” or “Did he get a ride with another party goer and they got in an accident since they were sloshed?” But to wake up thinking she hit him with her car…and then he’s found dead at the side of the road? Very fishy to me.

Why is it fishy? I don’t know what I’d say or do if I was in that same situation, so I would NEVER presume what others would feel or do. Feelings are not facts. Moo

 

[Angelwatch]

For some reason, lying, corruption and criminal behavior is now more acceptable in society. Across the board. I don’t get it.

Academic integrity is taken pretty seriously, IMO. There’s really no gray area that people overlook. It’s up there with stolen valor.

And since it is acceptable to be self-made in the US, there’s no good reason to lie. People can be successful without earning college degrees. So why lie?

 

[missy1974]

Watching the replay now of LYK...
He is saying to his listeners, you can be bias and believe she did or didn't do it, but try to look at the information from both sides to see what a juror could possibly be thinking...
Good advice!

 

[Anniesflowers]

I haven’t seen anyone judging brennan’s lack of bachelor’s degree, only his lies and misinformation. I only earned my associates degree and would never judge anyone on their education level UNLESS they lie about it so they can become a paid expert witness.

I’m sorry, I meant Burgess.

 

[waterslyd]

She didn’t ‘miss’ it. The application used at the time did not support the SD card. There was no reason for her to retrieve it. This was covered in court today.

There are plenty of apps that will recover data off an sd card. in fact, its way easier than a phone extraction.

 

[Anniesflowers]

Two trials no less.
Meanwhile the party (parties) who harmed and caused Okeefe's death and the individuals present who suppressed and impeded the investigation, are going on with their lives while a convenient and easy fall person, spends some two years fighting a murder charge.
IMO

It’s infuriating. I really cant believe the Commonwealth pursued T1, let alone T2. The CW is trying to prosecute Karen Read, using her personality, behavior, and the number of drinks she had. Shameful.MOO
ETA: imo

 

[whitelilac]

It’s infuriating. I really cant believe the Commonwealth pursued T1, let alone T2. The CW is trying to prosecute Karen Read, using her personality, behavior, and the number of drinks she had. Shameful.MOO
ETA: imo

And at the same time, O'keefe gets no justice, and perpetrators no accountability.

 

[Maat99]

If I’m a defense attorney and Aperture testified in my clients case, you best bet I’m revisiting that, too.

Burgess majorly shot their credibility today. He didn’t want to go down with the ship alone. So he:
-Insinuated Dr. Welcher’s findings are wrong, saying ‘on the unadjusted clocks’
-Insinuated Aperture lied on his behalf in a federal court filing.

So now it’s hard to even believe ANYONE at Aperture is reputable. MOO.

I can’t wait to hear what Welcher has to say about his esteemed colleague’s opinion on the accuracy of his work.

 

[ShadyLady]

Wondering who is next up for the prosecution??? And starting late again?

 

[Malleeboy]

Wondering who is next up for the prosecution??? And starting late again?

Keep feeling these are defence witnesses, cause they are keep make more sense of the defence position. MOO.

 

[Snoop Sister]

I can’t wait to hear what Welcher has to say about his esteemed colleague’s opinion on the accuracy of his work.

I am looking forward to that as well. It should be very interesting.

 

[Spider92]

Trial watchers, has there been any trial where you have seen the defendent been exposed like this and has had her right to not testify trampled.

She also has the right to walk by a microphone without giving a comment. She knew that her interviews - 20/20 etc, would be watched by millions. How can anyone feign outrage when they’re put up on the screen? In fact, I believe that in one of her interviews or docuseries. she said something like “this is my testimony”. And yet people complain that her “testimony” is presented in court? She can’t have it both ways.

 

[tara83]

She also has the right to walk by a microphone without giving a comment. She knew that her interviews - 20/20 etc, would be watched by millions. How can anyone feign outrage when they’re put up on the screen? In fact, I believe that in one of her interviews or docuseries. she said something like “this is my testimony”. And yet people complain that her “testimony” is presented in court? She can’t have it both ways.

I'm not outraged by them at all. The problem is that the CW seems to be leaning on them but if you actually listen to the entire thing it is zero proof of anything.

 

[Malleeboy]

She also has the right to walk by a microphone without giving a comment. She knew that her interviews - 20/20 etc, would be watched by millions. How can anyone feign outrage when they’re put up on the screen? In fact, I believe that in one of her interviews or docuseries. she said something like “this is my testimony”. And yet people complain that her “testimony” is presented in court? She can’t have it both ways.

Snipped quotes, out of full context. Should be forced to include context of the quote.
All they have done is make Karen look bad, not prove her guilt.

 

[missy1974]

She also has the right to walk by a microphone without giving a comment. She knew that her interviews - 20/20 etc, would be watched by millions. How can anyone feign outrage when they’re put up on the screen? In fact, I believe that in one of her interviews or docuseries. she said something like “this is my testimony”. And yet people complain that her “testimony” is presented in court? She can’t have it both ways.

She has some pretty good lawyers that either couldn't stop her or hoped it would sway public opinion maybe?

I don't like the cherry picking and out of context clips, if that is what they are, I have avoided watching the full interviews so far.

I am trying to recall in other trials.... if a defendant does a police interview and it's recorded, usually both sides can play parts I think, usually the lawyers argue over what can and can't be played. I don't think the defense is going to have that ability in this case though? Maybe I'm wrong lol In the case of a LE interview, they would have someone on the stand testifying....these are just random clips being played.

All JMO

 

[geevee]

I'm not outraged by them at all. The problem is that the CW seems to be leaning on them but if you actually listen to the entire thing it is zero proof of anything.

They never should have been allowed imo, just attempted character assassination using her own words. HB may think it's a brilliant play but I thought smearing the defendant's character was off limits in trial.

 

[kuromiiiilove]

There are plenty of apps that will recover data off an sd card. in fact, it’s way easier than a phone extraction.

Doesn’t matter. They were specifically using Berla. You should look into the terms of the chip off. Guarino was present with Gaffney. The prosecution wanted the chip off. It was a known factor that the chip off could damage the motherboard - in fact Karen’s defense fought against it early on and wanted to seek out alternative methods. If Gaffney ‘missed’ the SD card, so did Guarino.

I cannot take credit for this timeline, but every point is supported by sourced court filing or linked source:

• 2 February 2022 – Lexus is towed to State Police Milton Barracks. Trooper Guarino removes the infotainment and telematics system from the vehicle, with the assistance of Samantha Vogt, director of the Digital Forensics Division of the Norfolk DA's office. (DT, p.5, §2)
• 6 May 2022 – Judge O'Malley allows the Defendant's Motion for Preservation of Vehicle Event Data Recorder Evidence. (SD, p. 1)
• 27 May 2022 – Defense expert Kerry Alvino travels to the Milton Barracks, only to discover the vehicle had been stripped of its infotainment system and event data recorder. Per Yannetti's affidavit, Alvino was denied access to the missing systems. (AY, p. 1, §5)
• 10 January 2023 – Guarino contacts Berla employee Greg Berbig regarding support for Lexus infotainment modules, who responds:

"We do not currently have those models on a roadmap to add support for the infotainment systems within those vehicles at this time. The only method we know of to obtain data from them is to do a chip off and manually look at the data outside of iVe. I will note the interest though to consider for future releases." (DT, p. 5, §7)

• 31 March 2023 – Berla releases iVe version 4.3, adding BMW and Honda support. (source)
• May 2023 – Guarino attempts to access the infotainment data again following an update to the Berla iVe software that same month, to no avail.
  To my knowledge, no update to the iVe software occurred in May. He reaffirmed this timing during his trial testimony; it's possible he's referring to the release of v4.3 in March. (DT, p. 6, §9)
• 14 August 2023 – The defense files its Renewed Motion to Compel Discovery & Access to Evidence, to request that their expert be given access to the Lexus infotainment and telematics module for independent testing. (RM, p. 6)
• 1 September 2023 – In the Commonwealth's response, ADA Lally explains they are awaiting an update from Berla, and states:

"The Commonwealth, after repeated and continuously ongoing requests, does not have a definitive period for which that will be available. The only other method of extracting any data is through a process known as chip-off." (CR, p. 17)

• 8 September 2023 – Berla releases iVe version 4.4, adding Volkswagen support. (source)
• 15 September 2023 – The motion is heard in court. Lally states a Berla update is due for next month, but doesn't know if Lexus models will be included. He suggests that if defense counsel is interested in a chip-off, they should file a motion permitting destructive testing. Little asks for their expert to be given access to images of the system to determine what testing would be appropriate. Cannone concludes the two experts "should be able to work it out".
• 18 September 2023 – Guarino opens up the infotainment assembly under supervision of Vogt, in order to take pictures of its circuit board and memory chips. These pictures are sent to defense expert Maggie Gaffney. (DT, p. 9, §3)
• 25 October 2023 – Berla releases iVe version 4.5, adding Ford and Lincoln support. (source)
• 15 November 2023 – The Commonwealth files a Motion for Order Permitting Destructive Testing of Defendant's Lexus' Telematics Systems, to ask for permission to perform a chip-off, with the assent and presence of the defendant.
• 2 December 2023 – A chip-off is attempted by Maggie Gaffney in the presence of Guarino and A.G. Speake, an independent expert retained by the Commonwealth. No data was recovered from the infotainment or telematics module. (source, see footnote 1)
• 26 December 2023 – Berla releases iVe version 4.6, which adds support for Toyota and Lexus models. In total, 316 versions of 153 ECUs (Electronic Control Units) are newly covered. (source)

Abbreviations:​

DT — Commonwealth's Motion for Order Permitting Destructive Testing of Defendant's Lexus' Telematics Systems
SD — Defendant's Motion to Renew Motions Previously Filed in Stoughton District Court Prior to Indictment
AY — Affidavit of David R. Yannetti in Support of Defendant's Renewed Motion to Compel Discovery and Access to Evidence
RM — Defendant's Renewed Motion to Compel Discovery & Access to Evidence
CR — Commonwealth's Response to Defendant's Renewed Motion to Compel Discovery & Access to Evidence

 

[Spider92]

What I really love is the interview when KR said something like (I’m paraphrasing) “I sit there and watch the cw’s witnesses get up there on the stand and lie, and I’m like ‘I wish I could tell everybody how wrong they are’”
Uh yeah, you can - it’s called testifying in your own trial. Nobody’s stopping you.