MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #29 Retrial

[Forest_Wood]

Do you have a list of everyone that may have been invited that night, by all sorts of people? Did BH testify in the grand jury or the first trial it was JO? Only think of one? Depending on how popular the birthday boy was any number of people could have stopped in.

The birthday boy had mostly female friends there. The list of people present was testified to by the Alberts.

 

[Mony Mony]

Can anyone tell me what happened with bumper glass pieces C and D. I don’t see any results listed on the chart…chalk…

Thanks!

 

[lohrtabitha]

Someone else at the party?

Name please?

 

[Izzylizzy]

Are you aware of how easy it is to run into something, anything, with a big truck like Lucky drove? And with a huge plow on it too? It wouldn't be unusual to catch something that was left on the side of the road with a plow on a dump truck. Any big vehicle like that, even buses and garbage trucks, scrape other vehicles often. That is precisely why operators must be conscientious at observing everything around them constantly, otherwise they get blamed and it goes on their record.

All the above plus they're sitting much higher in the truck and are able to look outward and down.

 

[lohrtabitha]

He knows who Brian Albert Jr. is (the birthday boy, and he was already inside the home when Higgins got there as he testified last trial never went out that night)

He knows Matt McCabe

Tristan Morris didn't arrive until much later, supposedly to pick up his fiance Caitlin Albert long after Higgins had left do whatever he did at the Canton PD.

What other man was there and would have entered the house after he (Higgins arrived)?

I can only think of one. John O'Keefe.

So Goooood Harmony! Yes!

 

[Warwick7]

I finally got to watch this video.
Ouch!!!

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[HarmonyE.]

I just don't understand how he was even allowed to be an "expert".

I have watched trials where experts are questioned extensively on their credentials before they are deemed an "expert". No one vetted this guy? I think the defense got lucky enough to find the lie about his education before he testified, I don't think they had it before trial started. They must have thought that it would discredit him so badly that it outweighed a motion to exclude him at this point.
I don't see many trials where at the end of the State or prosecutions cases, most people following say there is reasonable doubt, but this is definitely one lol

I think it's very telling that Shanon from Alabama is the best expert the Commonwealth of Massachusetts could find.

The state has unlimited resources to hire anyone they want and there are lots of technical experts right in New England. I suspect at least some jurors will figure out that Burgess was hired because honest, ethical and competent experts refused to tell the prosecutors what they want to hear. Sort of like why Lally had to rely on poor, terrribly confused Trooper Joe "It Just Did" Paul the last time. There was no one else who could or would.

 

[Forest_Wood]

Besides the phone record showing JM's 5am 38 sec call to sister Nicole Albert which both claim they never spoke in Season 1 Carrie Roberts testified that it was right after the ambulance left with JOK was when JM went into the Albert residence.

Season 1? LOL
I know this seems like a reality series ...
Do you mean Trial 1?

 

[keek]

Name please?

B. Higgins intentionally said that, intentionally. His lawyer right by his side, unlike any of the others. Things afoot regarding BH and his testimony time. IMO

 

[Spider92]

Besides the phone record showing JM's 5am 38 sec call to sister Nicole Albert which both claim they never spoke in Season 1 Carrie Roberts testified that it was right after the ambulance left with JOK was when JM went into the Albert residence.

I can't believe JM didn't run to get sister/BIL as soon as she arrived or when help arrived.
She waited what?
min. 15-20 minutes?

imo

Yeah - especially since one of the women (Kerri or Jen I think) tried to give JOK CPR. BA, JM’s BIL, was trained as a first responder - surely they may have benefited from his help.
I guess I’d chalk it up to the madness of the moment- KR was yelling and running around - I’m sure that it made it difficult for anyone to think clearly.

 

[lohrtabitha]

Some was testified to today, Ms Hanley the forensic scientist matched the bits of tail light plastic found on JO's clothes with KR's Lexus tail light plastic....so what right? That and the testimony from Mr. Burgess, VERY compelling, IMO

Plaaaaaannnnnted!!!!! Just like the glass on the Lexus Bumper which MS Hanley told us about today too.

 

[LittleSeaTree]

Is Welcher the next witness? I think she probably calls it for today after this sidebah

ETA: Judge says we are so far ahead of schedule the jurors are off tomorrow (was planned 1/2 day)

You guys writing “sidebah” greatly entertains me, thank you

 

[HarmonyE.]

Well, unless Higgins saw Colin as he was leaving, saying goodbye to the girls.
I'm not sure of the details of when BH saw a tall dark man. BA testified he wasn't "good" friends with BH (believe it or not!), which surprised me to hear him say that, and Higgins had only been over to Brian A's house once before IIRC, so I don't think he would know Colin as BA's nephew. I think they were mostly drinking buddies at the bars. It could have just as easily been John too. We won't ever know. MOO

No, he tried to backtrack last trial and say it may have been "somebody's brother". Not Colin.

I suspect he was implying it may have been Ryan Nagel but we know from testimony Ryan never left the car he was in.

I think Higgins at the Grand Jury, knowing full well that John entered the house, tried to cover all his bases by saying, "Yeah, maybe I saw a tall dark stranger" because he didn't know what some of the younger party goers may have said to the GJ. (Sarah Levinson comes to mind).

AJ did bring it up last trial but didn't make enough (IMO) of it. But this time he mentioned "another person" who saw John enter the home during his opening statement. I expect much more to be made of this by Jackson when he gets Higgins on the stand this time.

 

[keek]

Yeah - especially since one of the women (Kerri or Jen I think) tried to give JOK CPR. BA, JM’s BIL, was trained as a first responder - surely they may have benefited from his help.
I guess I’d chalk it up to the madness of the moment- KR was yelling and running around - I’m sure that it made it difficult for anyone to think clearly.

In the shown video of the scene as seen through the police car, I believe, JMc was very, very calm talking to a Canton Police officer. NO intention of going up to the door and rushing in. It was bizarre. Of course KR was frantic as one would think WHY wasn't JMc?? KR's reaction was the rational one, not JMc's. She had to be told to go to the door and notify BA. She had also spoken to her sister, denied it, but found out of course, to her sister RIGHT IN THAT HOUSE shortly before. SOOOO............... imo

 

[Spider92]

His shirt was actually laying in the hospital floor which is amazing to me.

That shouldn’t surprise anybody. The ER doctors and nurses are responsible for trying to save his life - not preserve evidence. In fact, did the doctors and nurses even know there was a potential crime involved?
I’ll send you some old clips of the TV show ER - prioritizing evidence in the ER just isn’t a thing.

 

[keek]

You guys writing “sidebah” greatly entertains me, thank you

It's what comes out of MY mouth naturally!

 

[Luna20]

Begin Timestamp: 2:28:56

ADA Brennan: dr wolf I'm going to ask you to take a look at this photograph have you seen this photograph before

Dr. Wolf: yes

ADA Brennan: i want youto explain to us what you're seeing here and take us through the process of your
observations

Dr. Wolf: well what we're seeing is an approximate
inch and a half laceration with bridging tissue and contusions and
abrasions

to us that's just a classic blunt trauma injury uh there's
nothing other than just vanilla about it this is what happens when soft tissue
hits a solid ground the uh the skin tears apart a bit but not through and
through as you can see there's the bridging you can see all the bruising or
contusions and just the tear a little bit serrated along the
edges

ADA Brennan: thank you if you could take that down
dr wolf as a result of that wound
did you have a chance to further look at information provided to you about
the actual uh inside the skull of Mr John O'Keefe

Dr. Wolf: yes it was a the the pictures that I was reviewing showed a
non-depressed skull fracture extending linearly through the clivus and into the
frontal fossa of Mr o'keefe over the orbital roofs
he had fractures along the temporal fossa as well so it was a
classic linear basilar skull fracture

ADA Brennan: is basilar skull fracture a characterization

Dr. Wolf: basically the base of your skull is what it encompasses so the
opening at the very bottom is what we call the frame and magnum that connects
your brain stem to your spinal cord and then as your brain stem goes up it goes
into the different skull areas that you know talk about what we call the
cerebral cortexes your occipital lobe your temporal loes over here and then
your frontal loes

ADA Brennan: so can you walk us through what happens when someone incurs this type of injury
to the back of the head how it happens and what are the next steps for a person

Dr. Wolf: so what happens is you know you fall
backwards and the the linear acceleration starts to take you back
down with gravity
the skull hits the ground it gets you know in layman's terms smashed a little bit
and then the brain moves forward as a response to that and it moves forward because you have cerebral spinal fluid
and because you have the deceleration acceleration again as it does your skull if you were
to look inside your skull it's like mini mountains along your temporal bones and your frontal bones

So the the brain is being thrust forward at a fairly good speed and it's getting bruised you can think of it as if you took a hammer to your thumb
it's really turning black and blue those are the contusions and so the temporal poles and
the frontal poles are getting contusions because of that at the same time you
have a space called the subarachnoid space and I'm sure they're going to hear about the subarachnoid hemorrhage

and that space is the little it's very clear thin membrane that covers all of
your brain and all of your spinal cord and normally you really don't see
it unless you open up the brain and you're operating but when you either have a traumatic
event like this where little vessels are pulling apart un underneath that membrane or for example the classic you
know when you have an aneurysm burst the space that the aneurysm bleeds to is the
subaractid space the other thing that occurs in trauma like this is you can get a
subdural so the dura is the membrane that covers the whole brain and also
right down your spinal canal and it's a very thin membrane that looks like very thin
leather and in that space between the brain and the dura can be a lot of veins
that go towards a central vein called the sagittal sinus and if those tear you
have a venus hemorrhage from you know which is not arterial so it's not quick
but that can develop into a subdural as well if you tear a portion of your brain
as well and you get a little arterial bleed that could create a much faster subdural hematoma and so when you look
at the pathology the autopsy of his brain you're looking at a subaractid
hemorrhage you're looking at a subdural hemorrhage neither one of them which was huge or would have required
surgery as well as the contusions that I described in his frontal poles in his
frontal in his temporal poles and then the original bang which was in the
occipital area these are all findings that you would see on a CT scan and an
MRI scan without requiring an autopsy if he had made it to the emergency room

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This witness is intelligent, I give him that. I don’t see how he can say with 100% certainty that JO died from a fall on the back of his head though.

I have a TBI, for a long while it was thought to be concussions from falling on the back of my head as a child. It turned out to be from an accident affecting my brain stem.

Wolf wasn’t at Fairview, he didn’t know the details regarding the weather and he didn’t examine JO at the hospital.

To claim that people don’t die early on is saying that he has been on every case. His ‘certainty’ doesn’t mean that he is right in this case.

 

[tara83]

Yeah - especially since one of the women (Kerri or Jen I think) tried to give JOK CPR. BA, JM’s BIL, was trained as a first responder - surely they may have benefited from his help.
I guess I’d chalk it up to the madness of the moment- KR was yelling and running around - I’m sure that it made it difficult for anyone to think clearly.

All this yelling,screaming and running around and no one inside heard a thing. We aren't talking about a mansion here but a normal middle class home. I find that very interesting.

 

[HarmonyE.]

That shouldn’t surprise anybody. The ER doctors and nurses are responsible for trying to save his life - not preserve evidence. In fact, did the doctors and nurses even know there was a potential crime involved?
I’ll send you some old clips of the TV show ER - prioritizing evidence in the ER just isn’t a thing.

I don't disagree with them being more concerned about John's life than his clothing, but it's still more than a bit sloppy. Toss them on a chair or someplace slightly less contaminated.

As far as no one knowing it was a crime, recall that Paul O'Keefe said in the ER after he saw his brother that it looked like he'd gone "5 rounds with Mike Tyson".

 

[keek]

This witness is intelligent, I give him that. I don’t see how he can say with 100% certainty that JO died from a fall on the back of his head though.

I have a TBI, for a long while it was thought to be concussions from falling on the back of my head as a child. It turned out to be from an accident affecting my brain stem.

Wolf wasn’t at Fairview, he didn’t know the details regarding the weather and he didn’t examine JO at the hospital.

To claim that people don’t die early on is saying that he has been on every case. His ‘certainty’ doesn’t mean that he is right in this case.

He can't and it is not his 'place' to say so. Brennan is trying of course, to find people that will say he did. This fine surgeon was from Miami, not even close to local. MA is the hub of the best hospitals in the country and world. No neurosurgeons were present to testify I see from MA. So, correct, his opinion is general and we do not need general thought. IMO