MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #29 Retrial

[Izzylizzy]

@Bederowlaw
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"This what you call journalism. As far as the substance, are you currently "pursuing a degree" if you haven't taken courses towards that degree for 6 years?"





In the eye of SB,the beholder, it surely is.
imo

 

[Wishbone]

On Tuesday, the prosecution is expected to call its one remaining witness, an accident reconstruction expert.

No Karen read trial today. When will testimony resume?

The prosecution in the Karen Read murder trial is expected to call one more witness when testimony resumes Tuesday before resting its case.

www.nbcboston.com

 

[Soulmagent]

Respectfully, could you please provide a date, link, and time for this information?

In viewing the brief video clip, it appears it may be from the first trial due to the absence of a beard on defense counsel.

And if so, that is not relevant IMO to current happenings in this trial. Unfortunately it is confusing to those trying to keep up with current trial considerations. Which includes those now underway with the prosecution and defense teams.

Thank you in advance for any clarification. MOO

Season 1 ,has definitely crept in.
I did not follow this case at all until 3 days into this trial. I heard of it ,of course I am a WS member.
I do miss some testimony sometimes ,not days worth of it and I will rewatch over and over.
I cannot image them being able to have a fair and just trial for KR in Canton. IF they had left out second-degree murder the jury might have conceded to something lesser but because they expected KR to plea and she would not, ( She knows the truth.) it turned into a ,set,match game type of Sitch.
I think KR did not hit JOK with her Lexus and ALL of Them KNOW that.
Which means ...they know ..can we call it corruption yet?
They absolutely know she did not hit him with the car.

 

[ShadyLady]

There is a back door in the kitchen that lets out into the back yard. Also the 3 seasons room has a door to the deck that leads to the back.
Also horrible pool photo. Looking at 80 bucks in chemicals right there.

Didnt someone say they could see the door to the basement, or the stairs from the kitchen? Big wall blocking that view, imo. Why lie about that? Can't remember who was asked. Not even sure the front door was in view.

 

[jepop]

Yep, but the thought crossed my mind that he is being "fed" info from the CW



No, he is saying the spoiler up top hit him above the eye... arm into taillight.. brushing his knee.



I don't see this happening unless JOK was able to stand there like a brick but we all know that he was highly intoxicated, I just don't know how that works. I was just sharing what the CW theory may be at this point.

RBBM.
Just IMO. I agree the prosecution is actually going to attempt to advance this theory and it is preposterous! The tail light could not have caused the injuries seen on JO's arm. There was no blood/skin on the external area of the tail light or tail light pieces. There was no blood/skin on the inner rim of the tail light. There was no DNA swabbed from the inner rim of the tail light and nothing was broken in there. (Source: testimony).

The arm wounds are symmetrical and patterned in such a way that random pieces of flying tail light could not cause them. There were no tail light bits embedded in JO,s arm wounds. ( Source ME this trial and ARCCA trial x1).

If the tail light made contact with JO's right arm hard enough to literally shatter it as is contended, JO's arm would be broken and bruised. No question. It is impossible that the tail light should shatter or even crack and JO's arm should remain unbroken and not only that also unbruised! The cw's anticipated theory is beyond reason. The wounds to JO's arm are far more reasonably consistent with dog claws and teeth. IMO

On another note, after watching the testimony about bumper glass and rewatching testimony re the apparent little hair, Imo defense has made an extremely strong case, without even calling Proctor and simply through cross examination, that those two items of evidence were more likely than not planted ( if the defense call Proctor some on the jury could be even more convinced jmo because I believe there must be jurors who have already come to that conclusion.). It is one step from there to understand that Proctor was likely busy planting tail light over several days in Feb as well.

The defense case so far is incredibly strong in contrast to Brennan's meagre offerings and I cannot imagine how good it is going to get when they begin their case in chief. Moo

 

[ShadyLady]

"I feel great, I'm anxious. I'm ready to put on our case, which will be more robust than it was last year," she said. "I'm anxious for everyone to learn what we know."

Read said the defense plans to present more witnesses than they did last year, when the defense presented less than two full days of testimony.

"Broader and deeper," Read said.

Read said her team still had not decided whether to call former Trooper Brian Proctor, who was fired in the wake of embarrassing revelations that surfaced during Read's first trial, or the two men her defense planned to suggest as third-party culprits, Brian Albert or Brian Higgins.'

As prosecution nears end, Karen Read plans 'broader and deeper' defense

With potentially only one witness left to testify for the prosecution, Massachusetts murder defendant Karen Read said she is "anxious" to begin presenting her defense.

www.wcvb.com

I hope BH and BA...and McCabe is called, especially if the real murder of John will be solved. Maybe not very soon, but one day.

 

[Soulmagent]

Didnt someone say they could see the door to the basement, or the stairs from the kitchen? Big wall blocking that view, imo. Why lie about that? Can't remember who was asked. Not even sure the front door was in view.

See how they circle the wrong things in photo's?
A huge ty to who ever post the real estate link!
Also Hugs to the poster that made S1 a thing.
Also a TYIA to whoever finds that clip.
Great job Shadylady with remembering that.

 

[rescuemom]

So where on the body does the prosecution believe John was hit by the car?
With the black eyes now caused by rear of head injury, it removes a possible impact site.
ME has

-Back of head impact (leading to black eyes), which appears to from hitting ground from fall
-facial lacerations
-arm lacerations
-Scratch on right knee

Getting hit by a SUV @ 25 mph causes bruising and broken bones.
Are Prosecution saying the head was the impact? So he was bent over, with his head sticking out, and turned away from the reversing car. But that would have causes traumatic and noticeable neck injuries and bruising. It would also have spun the body into the car, causing bruising on the body.

Impact on the arm? Only lacerations, no bruising.
Facial lacerations? But again no bruising.
Knee scratch? But yet again no bruising.

Or is prosecution case:
So she clipped him with the car, with enough force to brake the rear taillight but not enough force to leave a bruise. Which then lacerated his arm and face but didn't bruise the skin. This caused him to fall over a few steps from the impact spot, which caused head injury, which then lead to hypothermia.

However John was drunk as, the ground was wet and greasy cause it had just started snowing.

They are convinced...or at least hoping... that it is somewhere on the body

 

[Soulmagent]

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"This what you call journalism. As far as the substance, are you currently "pursuing a degree" if you haven't taken courses towards that degree for 6 years?"





In the eye of SB,the beholder, it surely is.
imo

The dream manifests in the mind's eye, therefore the minute you think it ,the pursuit is on.
LOL@ my own BS.

 

[rescuemom]

That’s an interesting theory. Too bad they didn’t search the house.

IMO, that was never in the plan

 

[Angelwatch]

On Tuesday, the prosecution is expected to call its one remaining witness, an accident reconstruction expert.

No Karen read trial today. When will testimony resume?

The prosecution in the Karen Read murder trial is expected to call one more witness when testimony resumes Tuesday before resting its case.

www.nbcboston.com

Interesting. I’ve heard the CW was nearly finished with its case, but I’m still so surprised at who isn’t getting called. So many witnesses from the first trial with major problems that Brennan skipped right over them. Did we ever find out who was reluctant to testify?

 

[Spectrix]

Interesting. I’ve heard the CW was nearly finished with its case, but I’m still so surprised at who isn’t getting called. So many witnesses from the first trial with major problems that Brennan skipped right over them. Did we ever find out who was reluctant to testify?

I can't imagine Proctor is thrilled about the idea of taking the stand again, nor that the CW want him in front of the jury when they're doing their best to pretend he doesn't exist. I still hope he's called though.

 

[Soulmagent]

That’s an interesting theory. Too bad they didn’t search the house.

We should be way past theories at this point in the trial.
The fact that we still keep testing them out shows us the CW is not getting the results they are praying for and they are not for JOK or his family at all.

 

[Leilei]

I can't imagine Proctor is thrilled about the idea of taking the stand again, nor that the CW want him in front of the jury when they're doing their best to pretend he doesn't exist. I still hope he's called though.

The defense will absolutely call him.
I'm just wondering when.
Beginning, middle, end?
I think that ending with Higgins and then Proctor would leave the jurors with everything they need to come back with BRD and an NG verdict. Cross the T's, dot the I's, and done.
IMO.

 

[Soulmagent]

If this was a tv show , I would have quit watching.
remember when the witness found lose pieces in the evidence box,and the court said "it's fine"
Remember the sidebar over the shoe?
I watched and wondered to myself if they left a foot in it. Sorry jury wrong shoe. I guess.
The case shows what a joke even the msp ,are AN is.

 

[Soulmagent]

Karen kinda did make her own case though.
She should have never checked herself outloud.
Innocent people behave exactly like she did.
Confused - I hit him? Could I have hit him?
She is processing and everything I have seen her do or say is her processing.
This is why she is confident. She did not hit him.
She would have taken the plea.

 

[HarmonyE.]

The defense will absolutely call him.
I'm just wondering when.
Beginning, middle, end?
I think that ending with Higgins and then Proctor would leave the jurors with everything they need to come back with BRD and an NG verdict. Cross the T's, dot the I's, and done.
IMO.

The defense will probably call him, but I'm not sure it's a slam dunk they will.

Once the CW's case is over, the defense has to weigh whether it's better to keep Proctor an invisible boogeyman who has disappeared (where is he? Dead, retired, in jail?) vs calling a hostile witness they cannot prep in any way. Lawyers don't like to ask questions they don't already know the answers to and this alone makes Proctor a bit of a wild card for them.

Buhkenik did so badly on the stand. Does the defense leave well enough alone and focus on their obvious third party culprit (Higgins) instead? I don't know, but I don't think it's an easy decision for them.

 

[missy1974]

Interesting. I’ve heard the CW was nearly finished with its case, but I’m still so surprised at who isn’t getting called. So many witnesses from the first trial with major problems that Brennan skipped right over them. Did we ever find out who was reluctant to testify?

All the witness that they didn't call, are worse for the CW then the ones they already have ... which is kinda crazy when you think about it lol

Proctor - I'm not sure if they will or won't call him. The defense has been able to make it clear that he had his hand in everything. (literally?lol) Leave the jury wondering who this guy is and why wasn't he called in JMO

BH and BA - I would call them, show the jury how shady they are. Who gets rid of phones on the same day (BH/BA), which happens to be the day before they were going to be told to preserve them?

I'm not sure who else the CW didn't call from Season 1, but those are the ones I would want to hear from.

 

[Soulmagent]

The defense will probably call him, but I'm not sure it's a slam dunk they will.

Once the CW's case is over, the defense has to weigh whether it's better to keep Proctor an invisible boogeyman who has disappeared (where is he? Dead, retired, in jail?) vs calling a hostile witness they cannot prep in any way. Lawyers don't like to ask questions they don't already know the answers to and this alone makes Proctor a bit of a wild card for them.

Buhkenik did so badly on the stand. Does the defense leave well enough alone and focus on their obvious third party culprit (Higgins) instead? I don't know, but I don't think it's an easy decision for them.

In court sometime last week ,there was a public out of jury court thing and I heard someone on the defense team say ""if we decided to present a case"' . (loose quotes)
I just wanted everyone to be aware ,the defense may rest, and not present anything.
It's a judgement call at this point. It can make or break careers.

 

[HarmonyE.]

In court sometime last week ,there was a public out of jury court thing and I heard someone on the defense team say ""if we decided to present a case"' . (loose quotes)
I just wanted everyone to be aware ,the defense may rest, and not present anything.
It's a judgement call at this point. It can make or break careers.

I see no chance of that happening. It's just media posturing.

ARCCA!

Higgins and Brian Albert will be called. As will the dog bite doc and Chloe/Cora's other victims, Lucky the plow guy, and probably Ricky D. (the designated driver in the "Nagel" vehicle.) Mustn't forget Barros the Dighton officer who testified last time the taillight was minimally cracked before Proctor got to it.

I'm sure there are others I'm forgetting. But a vigorous defense is planned. I'm sure of that.