MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #29 Retrial

[kuromiiiilove]

He said he purchased a Lexus. Making it sound like he personally paid for it, which I doubt....JMOO

Nope. Completely on the taxpayer dime.

 

[kuromiiiilove]

Generally, IMO, scientists are meticulous with their work. Burgess wasn’t even fastidious enough to verify that his information on his CV, LinkedIn, etc were updated.

You are completely correct. I work at a public scientific research institute. Our people don’t even testify in court (usually), and I can’t imagine anyone here making the ‘mistakes’ Mr. Burgess did. Accuracy is important, especially to scientific minds. And misrepresenting your CV can get you essentially blackballed.

All in my opinion/experience.

 

[Anniesflowers]

Well Welcher would be testifying to why he feels it's better data to be applied. Then it's before the jury to decide.

IMO, if there's better more precise data to be seen why shouldn't the jury see it? If it winds up incriminating KR more, then that's strong evidence to be considered. AJMO

…but if it exonerates KR, would you still consider it as strong evidence that should be considered? IMO. BBM.

 

[sunshineray]

I also shows the crappy experts public defenders are often forced to rely on . Sad.

Dr. Welcher testified he has a PHD in biomedical engineering.

 

[Elliot_Alderson]

…but if it exonerates KR, would you still consider it as strong evidence that should be considered? IMO. BBM.

Of course they wouldn't JMO

 

[Forest_Wood]

Nope. Completely on the taxpayer dime.

Welcher must have been paid exceptionally grand to put all that time into visiting the vehicle and taking all those pics. I wonder if Alessi will ask him how much he received from taxpayers for his work.

 

[Elliot_Alderson]

Dr. Welcher testified he has a PHD in biomedical engineering.

OK? What good did that PhD do him in rooting out people falsifying resumes to get a job on his team? JMO

 

[Izzylizzy]

CW witness list "Expert" Mike Merolli, Aperture LLC

Mike Merolli | Forensic Expert

Mike Merolli

www.aperturellc.com

"But in 2002 he was a police officer in the neighboring town of Millville when he was speeding to his home in Mendon and hit and killed a German Shepherd with his cruiser while on duty."

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Karen Read trial witness lists: Who’s returning, who’s new, and who’s missing?

Prosecutors and defense attorneys in the Karen Read case have submitted their witness lists. Here's who's on them.

www.boston.com

Was Mike Merolli ever on Welcher's team?
Merolli is on the CW's witness list for this trial and I'm curious how he got there?
Welcher's recommendation?
Did Merolli work on this case?
MM is a recent hire, 8-24.

 

[sunshineray]

Generally, IMO, scientists are meticulous with their work. Burgess wasn’t even fastidious enough to verify that his information on his CV, LinkedIn, etc were updated.

I disagree, he submitted correctly to the court he was "pursuing" his schooling.

 

[kuromiiiilove]

So, no collision file. Welcher is trying to say that it’s because it wouldn’t register from a pedestrian-vehicle hit, only a vehicle-vehicle. Is he able to actually prove this, or is that just his assertion? Source needed, IMO

 

[sunshineray]

…but if it exonerates KR, would you still consider it as strong evidence that should be considered? IMO. BBM.

Absolutely...but to be honest it doesn't seem like that's what it will do, considering the defense questions and sidebars this morning, MO.

 

[kuromiiiilove]

I disagree, he submitted correctly to the court he was "pursuing" his schooling.

He hadn’t been enrolled since 2019 though. A reporter found that out and it was posted upthread. So do you consider that an accurate representation of ‘pursuing’? Not attending classes in 5-6 years = actively pursuing a degree?

Secondly, he may have submitted that to THIS court, but as we saw, he submitted different things to different courts. And as I’ve said before - how can we trust Burgess if he’s lying on his CV? Would aperture even have hired him, or put him on the stand, if they knew the truth about his educational history?

 

[sunshineray]

OK? What good did that PhD do him in rooting out people falsifying resumes to get a job on his team? JMO

I'm sorry, I don't see the relevance of that to his testimony today concerning his analysis of the data and his presentation, MO.

 

[Wishbone]

I disagree, he submitted correctly to the court he was "pursuing" his schooling.

But during cross-examination, defense attorney Robert Alessi called into question Burgess' expertise and professional credentials, beginning with the bachelor's degree listed on his company's website bio and his published resume. It was revealed that there was a discrepancy — Burgess does not have a bachelor's degree in mathematics, and in fact the school he listed does not offer one.


"Either you have a bachelor of science degree or you don't," Alessi said at one point.


Burgess maintained that he is pursuing a mathematics degree, saying he has been doing so since 2008.


“If I did the math correctly, you've been pursuing a bachelor of science degree for 17 years, correct?” Alessi asked Burgess, asking him whether he was familiar with the terms “mendacity” and “academic dishonesty.”

‘Either you have a bachelor's degree or you don't': Expert's credibility takes a hit

Testimony in the Karen Read murder trial took a dramatic turn Monday when the defense made a calculated attack on the credibility of the prosecution’s expert witness. Digital forensic analyst Shanon Burgess was called by the prosecution to help convince jurors of a timeline around the movements...

www.nbcboston.com

 

[Elliot_Alderson]

I disagree, he submitted correctly to the court he was "pursuing" his schooling.

Moving the goalposts. If a defense witness did this, guaranteed the feeling would be different. JMO

 

[Elliot_Alderson]

He hadn’t been enrolled since 2019 though. A reporter found that out and it was posted upthread. So do you consider that an accurate representation of ‘pursuing’? Not attending classes in 5-6 years = actively pursuing a degree?

Secondly, he may have submitted that to THIS court, but as we saw, he submitted different things to different courts. And as I’ve said before - how can we trust Burgess if he’s lying on his CV? Would aperture even have hired him, or put him on the stand, if they knew the truth about his educational history?

I got my bachelor's degree in 2005. If I went back in 2008 and took 1 course towards a master's, then I am still "pursuing". Isn't it cool how that works?

 

[Anniesflowers]

OK? What good did that PhD do him in rooting out people falsifying resumes to get a job on his team? JMO

Exactly!! If you’re working at a firm that specializes in providing ‘court experts’ to interpret data for the D or P, someone would have been responsible for verifying Burgess’ degree(s). Looks like that was missed or covered up. Again, imo, a scientific firm who misses verification of the basics (employee backgrounds) isn’t indicative of very reliable team of experts! The firm should care who represents them when they’re on the stand. IMO.

 

[kuromiiiilove]

I disagree, he submitted correctly to the court he was "pursuing" his schooling.

Special pleading fallacy. You’re applying standards and principles to him (he’s just a family man, we can all understand work and school getting in the way, he didn’t lie, and even if he did, it’s not relevant) that you likely would not equally apply to defense witnesses who had done the same things.

MOO

 

[Elliot_Alderson]

I'm sorry, I don't see the relevance of that to his testimony today concerning his analysis of the data and his presentation, MO.

Well if he can't handle simple record keeping and confirmation of where his employees worked/attended school and what they submit to federal courts, then why would I believe in his analysis of anything, let alone data? JMO

 

[kuromiiiilove]

I got my bachelor's degree in 2005. If I went back in 2008 and took 1 course towards a master's, then I am still "pursuing". Isn't it cool how that works?

Very cool! And if you *forget* to put ‘pursuing’ on a CV, that’s fine too!

MOO