MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #29 Retrial

[Warwick7]

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[kuromiiiilove]

I’ve heard the Commonwealth was planning to rest their case soon (at least as of last week, who knows what the more recent testimony changes).

What surprises me is that only one witness has testified (or will testify) in trial 1 that “John never went inside the house”, and that witness is Jennifer McCabe.This is the same Jennifer McCabe who was caught lying to the FBI about her identity, her phone calls, and whether she stopped at 34 Fairview on her way to Mike Lank’s. And the jury heard about those lies, even if to ‘another agency’, not the FBI.

Why hasn’t the prosecution called others from inside the house that night to corroborate this claim? If it were solid, you’d expect multiple confirmations. Is Hank avoiding cross-examination because of what might be exposed? MOO

 

[bobbymkii]

Why hasn’t the prosecution called others from inside the house that night to corroborate this claim? If it were solid, you’d expect multiple confirmations. Is Hank avoiding cross-examination because of what might be exposed? MOO

RSBM for brevity.

Because this is exactly what Lally did last time and it was an absolute disaster.

JMO of course

 

[kuromiiiilove]

People who think Karen is guilty have always said cocktail glass was found on Karen Read’s bumper. Once again the CW’s own expert witness proves that was a lie… MOO

Edit: and now the jury has until Tuesday to ponder the fact that none of the glass on Karen’s bumper matches John’s glass (John’s glass was only matched to the nine pieces Buhkenik found at 34 Fairview), and that a single of the five pieces of glass on Karen’s bumper matched ONLY to the piece of glass Proctor collected. And this is after hearing ‘FORMER’ trooper Proctor many times… MOO

 

[missy1974]

People who think Karen is guilty have always said cocktail glass was found on Karen Read’s bumper. Once again the CW’s own expert witness proves that was a lie… MOO

And Jackson made a good point with the glass and the possibility it was planted by Proctor. And if that was planted, it makes the tail light "crack vs shattered to pieces" and planted at the scene a little bit more believable. If you are willing to place some pieces of glass on a bumper, why not the tail light too.

JMO

 

[kuromiiiilove]

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[kuromiiiilove]

Also… Burgess and Brennan forgot an important point. Jen texted John at 12:31:47 (the ‘pull behind me’ text) and testified that she was looking directly at the Lexus at that time.

 

[geevee]

The lights on those plow trucks are bright and they can shine a couple hundred feet ahead. So id Lucky didn't see JOK, its because he wasn't there. MO

So were the lights on Higgins's Jeep, they should have illuminated at least half of the lawn.

 

[I am not Sherlock H.]

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Yes @Warwick7 ….. IANAL….. yet IMO this should be a question asked to trooper proctor under oath, on the stand, as a witness even if hostile, for the defense. I sure hope he is on their list…… and strong consideration is being placed on calling him. And that is with the premise that the CW and Brennan do not call him as their own witness first when they present their case. MOO

 

[sunshineray]

I’ve heard the Commonwealth was planning to rest their case soon (at least as of last week, who knows what the more recent testimony changes).

What surprises me is that only one witness has testified (or will testify) in trial 1 that “John never went inside the house”, and that witness is Jennifer McCabe.This is the same Jennifer McCabe who was caught lying to the FBI about her identity, her phone calls, and whether she stopped at 34 Fairview on her way to Mike Lank’s. And the jury heard about those lies, even if to ‘another agency’, not the FBI.

Why hasn’t the prosecution called others from inside the house that night to corroborate this claim? If it were solid, you’d expect multiple confirmations. Is Hank avoiding cross-examination because of what might be exposed? MOO

Pretty obvious JO never made it into the house. KR even said she never saw him go in the house...well that is until she was arrested, then her story changed. Dr. Wolf's testimony today backed that up, IMO. JO had head/brain injuries NOT caused by a ridged object nor a hit with something hard like a baseball bat etc...to the head from a heavy object. JO's injury had ALL the earmarks of a classic falling backwards with some gravitational velocity and hitting the back of his head on a flat hard surface...a blunt injury, not at all what the defense has theorized, MO.

 

[I am not Sherlock H.]

Has anyone else observed that the Aperture LLC website post for Shanon Burgess - Forensics Expert Digital Forensics - and his credentials no longer contains an item for CV download? See the attached link. IIRC this has occurred sometime over the evening or early this morning IMO. MOO

Shanon Burgess | Forensic Expert

Shanon Burgess

www.aperturellc.com

 

[MerlinFalcon]

In trial 1, did we find out that the bumper glass didn’t match the other glass found by Sgt Yuri?

 

[Izzylizzy]

I’ve heard the Commonwealth was planning to rest their case soon (at least as of last week, who knows what the more recent testimony changes).

What surprises me is that only one witness has testified (or will testify) in trial 1 that “John never went inside the house”, and that witness is Jennifer McCabe.This is the same Jennifer McCabe who was caught lying to the FBI about her identity, her phone calls, and whether she stopped at 34 Fairview on her way to Mike Lank’s. And the jury heard about those lies, even if to ‘another agency’, not the FBI.

Why hasn’t the prosecution called others from inside the house that night to corroborate this claim? If it were solid, you’d expect multiple confirmations. Is Hank avoiding cross-examination because of what might be exposed? MOO

Also in T1, AJ got JM to admit that she never told the Grand Jury that KR said "I hit him" 3x
imo

 

[Izzylizzy]

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[Izzylizzy]

Nothing until Tuesday. So strange. This whole case so far. There has to be something going on. The defense doesn’t seem upset so I wonder what is going on. Of course the CW will have to save face in any event

Thanks!
I forgot it's a holiday.
Lots of extra time for the defense to go a digging.

 

[bobbymkii]

Thanks!
I forgot it's a holiday.
Lots of extra time for the defense to go a digging.

I just realised it's a public holiday here in the UK next Monday too! I thought it wasn't until the week after

 

[Warwick7]

Pretty obvious JO never made it into the house. KR even said she never saw him go in the house...well that is until she was arrested, then her story changed. Dr. Wolf's testimony today backed that up, IMO. JO had head/brain injuries NOT caused by a ridged object nor a hit with something hard like a baseball bat etc...to the head from a heavy object. JO's injury had ALL the earmarks of a classic falling backwards with some gravitational velocity and hitting the back of his head on a flat hard surface...a blunt injury, not at all what the defense has theorized, MO.

BBM
Ok.....but how does the falling backwards with some gravitational velocity start in the first place?

So you might feel the car hitting him causes this classic falling?

Dr. Wolfe disagrees with you. He said clearly the back of the head injury was first. Other injuries were secondary.

 

[missy1974]

Pretty obvious JO never made it into the house. KR even said she never saw him go in the house...well that is until she was arrested, then her story changed. Dr. Wolf's testimony today backed that up, IMO. JO had head/brain injuries NOT caused by a ridged object nor a hit with something hard like a baseball bat etc...to the head from a heavy object. JO's injury had ALL the earmarks of a classic falling backwards with some gravitational velocity and hitting the back of his head on a flat hard surface...a blunt injury, not at all what the defense has theorized, MO.

Would a cement basement floor or a cement garage floor qualify as something hard?

Would the laceration above his right eye that Dr. Wolf said was NOT related to the back head injury BE from blunt force trauma of some sort?

Would that strike to above his right eye result in him falling backwards, as described by Dr. Wolf said, is very common with drunk people?

Would JOK having a blood alcohol level of .28 qualify him as being a drunk person?

I don't think we know what their theory is as of right now, other than he got into a fight and fell onto something.

After typing this out, I absolutely see why Alessi did not have many questions for him.