MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #29 Retrial

[jepop]

I completely disagree with your assessment of him. He has IMO done a great job of trying to see both sides and has given the CW kudos several times. He is always asking people in his chats to give opposing views and all he asks is that it is done respectfully towards both sides. At this point I think he doesn't believe JO was hit by a car at all, but he has said many times that he is open to being shown evidence that he was. As for his "free time," I know that recently he said that he would not be able to give daily updates on the Kohberger trial because he has his own trial at the same time. Additionally, there was recently a horrific ferry crash in Tampa in which a man was killed and LYK's law firm has been hired to represent his family.

IMO

You said it better and with more and better words than.me.

 

[justbeachy]

You said it better and with more and better words than.me.

I do tend to use 20 words when 5 would be sufficient. Just ask my kids. LOL

 

[Recidivist]

LYK, is a lawyer that does online segments on YouTube. Not sure how he is practicing much law when he spends hours on YouTube. Maybe, not all that busy in his practice. The practicing lawyers I know don’t have any free time to go online and give free legal opinions or advice.

None the less, Imo, he is very biased in this case.

If you ever sit and watch him, the entire show, he is receiving donations. Big ones. I figure he is making thousands per show. Probably equal to or more than he makes at the firm. He is extremely good looking and I think he is fair and balanced.

 

[keek]

I have to say, when people say that KR is not a likeable person, that is their own feelings and response to her. It is not mine and I think I really don't notice. I do notice everything incredibly positive and going forth with strong purpose and not wavering. WHO could subject themselves to EVERYTHING she has been starting from the time she was arrested for killing JOK based on JEN Mc's. telling proctor KR said 'she hit him'. All took off from there and now two trials later and a couple of years.. it's unthinkable. Thankfully she is WHO she is to get through this. IMO

 

[LittleSeaTree]

It’s the consistency of warm butter. I’ve also heard jello consistency in my neuro classes. It’s pretty squishy.

Today years old #94……

 

[Forest_Wood]

Yeah, there's no way it was a plow - did y'all read about Jeremy Renner's injuries? There'd be absolutely no doubt if a plow was involved.

MOO

Just pointing out that the machine that this man described is a Snowcat which is used on ski hills. It's not the same as a commercial snow plow attached to a dump truck. This guy you refer to had to step on the tracks of the Snowcat to get in and out of it, and the tracks ran over him like a tank when he was chasing it, after he turned a lever by mistake to make it go.
A commercial snowplow with a huge plow is positioned to roll everything in its path towards the right and could roll something before the wheels run over it.
I agree a snowplow for roads would likely cause damage though, even if it rolled the person onto a lawn; at least bruising.
MOO

 

[Forest_Wood]

Decorticate and decerebrate movements are signs that specifically point to severe brain injuries. He was discussing severe brain injuries, so the mention of decorticate/decerebrate movements would be inherent to the discussion.

IMO, and I am not a doctor lol.

I don't recall the brain surgeon saying JOK was found in either of these positions though. Maybe I missed that part of the testimony. He seemed to just add it in IMO.

 

[Forest_Wood]

I have to say, when people say that KR is not a likeable person, that is their own feelings and response to her. It is not mine and I think I really don't notice. I do notice everything incredibly positive and going forth with strong purpose and not wavering. WHO could subject themselves to EVERYTHING she has been starting from the time she was arrested for killing JOK based on JEN Mc's. telling proctor KR said 'she hit him'. All took off from there and now two trials later and a couple of years.. it's unthinkable. Thankfully she is WHO she is to get through this. IMO

It's been 3 years, 4 months already.

 

[Forest_Wood]

One of the sad things about this case is that the victim's family, the O'Keefes, have been keeping John's memory alive by attending court regularly. While in court, John is very much alive. When all the court cases are over and done with, whether KR is found guilty or not, they will have nothing else to hold onto but to let go.
JMO

 

[shotgun09]

Call me " Suspicious Cat" if you will, but I seriously want to know exactly what ( if anything ) Brian Albert and family has over Michael Morrisey's head. This should never have gone to trial, and yet here we are.....again. MOO

 

[arielilane]

Timestamp 6:28

KR: My eyes are peeled.
And I said he’s right —— there. I jumped out of the passenger side, and I fell into the street.
His eyes were shut, and he had spots of blood in different areas on his face and he was still, not stiff, but still. It was cold. I felt cold.

But I didn’t feel dangerously cold.
And it was just an odd feeling to know that I’m okay, Im not dying, but he’s here with me, and he’s dying.
And I can’t warm him up.

 

[arielilane]

Arraignment
Timestamp 17:17

DY: Ive read the affidavit.
Manslaughter is a tremendous reach in this case I dont see any criminal intent that would justify manslaughter in that affidavit - there is a reason for that - because there was no criminal intent.

She did it but not intentionally
In other words manslaughter is a reach… there was no criminal intent on the part of client.
Yes, she hit him... But, there was no criminal intent at that time...



Posted two years ago

and...

He cited media interviews and a five-part docuseries called “A body in the Snow: The Trial of Karen Read" in which Read says, “And then when I hired David Yannetti, I asked him those questions the night of Jan, 29th. ‘Like David what if, I don't know, what if I ran his foot over, or, or, what if I clipped him in the knee and he passed out and or went to care for himself and he threw up or passed out and David said, ‘Yeah then you have some element of culpability.’ So that's how I thought about things for about three days.”

Prosecutors hope to use Turtleboy's phones to show Karen Read's 'consciousness of guilt'


and...

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Nvw-E3_iSZc

 

[Snoop Sister]

Opinion and speculation- Please feel free to scroll on by and not read my post. Thank you

She’s (defendant) clearly falling apart after this week’s testimony. She’s had to relive the tragic killing of John O’Keefe in the courtroom, yet, showed no emotion, no empathy for the loss of John and/or what happened to John. John was left for hours to die a painful death in the cold. She was too busy leaving him hateful voice mails to even think about calling for help. Help that may have saved him, may have given his loved ones a chance to say their goodbyes. It’s always been about control for her. She’s losing control. Her mask raveling… winking to her attorney, smiles, and playfulness in the courtroom as if it’s all fun and games. Not that she’s on trial for murder. Just another day.

The steps of the courthouse has been her platform, her playground and the media caters to her. In her eyes she’s a star and the victim, she’s being framed by some bad cops, and about 30 plus other people (btw, no one’s cracked). She does not want anyone to know the federal investigation is closed, and no findings of police corruption found.

Anyone watching trial understands the case against the defendant, and knows she is not the victim, facts are coming out, science and data solid. Perhaps, it’s simple; and that some simply dont want her to be guilty, nothing more than that, ignore the facts of the case. The defendant does this herself. She doesnt hesitant to speak in public, yet, wouldn’t dare take the stand.

Awesome post, I totally agree. IMO, she is acting like a movie or rock star. No empathy whatsoever.

 

[tara83]

Awesome post, I totally agree. IMO, she is acting like a movie or rock star. No empathy whatsoever.

Again hate against the way someone acts that has zero to do with evidence whether she is guilty or innocent.

 

[keek]

I have to say, when people say that KR is not a likeable person, that is their own feelings and response to her. It is not mine and I think I really don't notice. I do notice everything incredibly positive and going forth with strong purpose and not wavering. WHO could subject themselves to EVERYTHING she has been starting from the time she was arrested for killing JOK based on JEN Mc's. telling proctor KR said 'she hit him'. All took off from there and now two trials later and a couple of years.. it's unthinkable. Thankfully she is WHO she is to get through this. IMO

Not to even imagine the horrible way of John losing his life with two young kids she had a relationship with that instantly all became a ruined nightmare. LIterally overnight. IMO

 

[Forest_Wood]

To think that Karen Read was willing to accept that she hit and killed JOK at face value because all these "friends" and police were saying she did this and said that. Until she began thinking clearly again after the shock, and the fog lifted. Until random strangers started calling in tips to check out the Alberts. Until the so-called evidence didn't match with reality. Until the discovery that the police didn't conduct an adequate investigation from Day 1. Until all the lies were discovered. Until random strangers began to see a pattern of corruption and decided to stand with her.
MOO

 

[keek]

To think that Karen Read was willing to accept that she hit and killed JOK at face value because all these "friends" and police were saying she did this and said that. Until she began thinking clearly again after the shock, and the fog lifted. Until random strangers started calling in tips to check out the Alberts. Until the so-called evidence didn't match with reality. Until the discovery that the police didn't conduct an adequate investigation from Day 1. Until all the lies were discovered. Until random strangers began to see a pattern of corruption and decided to stand with her.
MOO

A pattern of corruption. Clear for so many to see, other people in the same profession of LE, attorneys, EMT's, nurses in emergency rooms have all spoken up and out with no reason to hide or cover up for anyone. One can read and hear for themselves amongst those that they work with and or know. Perfectly said Forest Wood. A pattern of continuing corruption. Why? IMO>

 

[Spider92]

Call me " Suspicious Cat" if you will, but I seriously want to know exactly what ( if anything ) Brian Albert and family has over Michael Morrisey's head. This should never have gone to trial, and yet here we are.....again. MOO

Assuming for a moment that someone in the Albert house killed JOK, why would BA pressure Morrisey to have another trial? Doing so would only mean more investigation by the defense team, more time on the stand for BA and friends, and an increased likelihood of someone cracking, being found out, or being charged with perjury.
Maybe someone else put pressure on Morrisey. I’m sure the victim’s family and friends do that in a lot of cases. I saw JOK’s red headed boyhood friend in one of the docuseries and he seemed pretty convinced of KR’s guilt. And then there’s JOK’s mother - she (and JOK's brother) must have gone ballistic when KR mocked Peg on national TV. Perhaps they’re the driving force behind T2.

 

[missy1974]

Arraignment
Timestamp 17:17

DY: Ive read the affidavit.
Manslaughter is a tremendous reach in this case I dont see any criminal intent that would justify manslaughter in that affidavit - there is a reason for that - because there was no criminal intent.

She did it but not intentionally
In other words manslaughter is a reach… there was no criminal intent on the part of client.
Yes, she hit him... But, there was no criminal intent at that time...



Posted two years ago

and...

He cited media interviews and a five-part docuseries called “A body in the Snow: The Trial of Karen Read" in which Read says, “And then when I hired David Yannetti, I asked him those questions the night of Jan, 29th. ‘Like David what if, I don't know, what if I ran his foot over, or, or, what if I clipped him in the knee and he passed out and or went to care for himself and he threw up or passed out and David said, ‘Yeah then you have some element of culpability.’ So that's how I thought about things for about three days.”

Prosecutors hope to use Turtleboy's phones to show Karen Read's 'consciousness of guilt'


and...

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Nvw-E3_iSZc

I don't know if you put the wrong youtube link or not, but Yanetti doesn't say anything close to what you are saying in your post. I suspect he said it at the first arraignment?

BUT.. I did listen to this hearing.. it was interesting! I do think that Yanetti believed it was an accident, it was a tragedy, in his own words, at her first arraignment. I will have to see if I can find the Affidavit that was filed, but it probably was not unreasonable to him as a lawyer to think on the surface, it does "look" like she hit him. It's after you scratch at the surface that it doesn't make sense to most... So yep, I can see Yanettie saying and thinking it was not intentional, it was an accident, whatever he said... but in the hearing you posted, he says... that soon changed.

The pretrial hearing was from Sept 15, 2023. I had to go find a better quality link though.

I don't even know what the outcome of this was lol but once I started listening.. I was intrigued.


1:21:10
Yanetti in his argument to the Judge to reduce her bail ...

.... this court the Commonwealth has consistently maintained that their only justifications for requesting bail are number one, the potential penalty my client faces and number two, the nature and circumstances of the case. With regard to the, with actually with regard to both, uh I'm concentrating my argument on changed circumstances with regard to the potential penalty in light of the change circumstances that have and will be discussed during this argument.

In light of what we've learned since the last time bail was modified we believe, and my client well knows the potential penalty she faces is nothing, it will be no penalty here because there will be no conviction, there will be no conviction because the evidence establishes her innocence. There's no jury anywhere who will ever vote to convict her for a crime she did not commit. And that leaves us, your honor, with a bail argument that relies really exclusively on the nature and circumstances of the case and the nature and circumstances of the case, as represented by the Commonwealth during its numerous bail arguments regarding this matter have been shown to be false. It is a fact that the nature and circumstances of this case have completely changed, even since the last time this court modified her bail.

The nature and circumstances of this case, in fact, are night and day from what was presented to Judge O'Malley in Stoughton district court at my client's arraignment there over 19 months ago. At that arraignment, your honor, having read only the scant information that the Commonwealth made available to me, it was still immediately clear to me that this case was a tragedy, but not a crime. From the very start, with most of the evidence hidden from the defense, the Commonwealth's case against Karen Read was extremely thin and from the start she had no reason to flee because even without the results of our investigation, her defense was strong and it was strong because it was based on innocence. By the time I got back to my office that afternoon I had already begun to learn that this wasn't just a tragedy, and it wasn't just that my client had committed no crime but shockingly, at the time, learned from somebody else that, I learned that somebody else did in fact commit a very heinous crime. A friend and colleague of Brian Alberts called me on February 2nd 2022 only hours after my client was arraigned and named Brian Albert and his nephew Colin Albert as a potential suspects. That tip, on day one of this case led us to do the investigation the Commonwealth did not do. The investigation they refused to do and as my co-consul has argued today that investigation revealed that the Commonwealth's investigation was based on one lie after another and the exposure of those lies is a major change circumstance which justifies lowering my clients bail to personal recognizance.

He goes on to state some of the evidence we already know.. the snow plow driver.. the Ford Edge parked outside at 2:30am... and a ton of info about Proctor and what he calls not only a conflict of interest, but corruption.

 

[keek]

Yanetti and others investigated. There you go. It all changed very fast then. Nothing stayed the same as the first arraignment. Normal. Investigations matter much to the big SURPRISE to all the ones involved in the sham disgrace of the legal powers that be along with the others in Norfolk County. IMO