MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #29 Retrial

[Malleeboy]

I’ve read that someone said there was ring video that showed Karen hit John. Does anyone know how that originated?

Oddly enough senior Canton PD just happened to be across the road with a ring like camera pointing out that to the incident location. Whilst I can understand maybe the cop deciding it wasn't worth checking cause he believed it wouldn't be worth it. But surely the cop whose house it was, would won't to see if it had any footage of the cop who died across from his yard.

 

[Warwick7]

CW played a clip of Karen saying she pulled into JO's garage at 12:41. He wants us to forget that Guarino said Karen connected to JO's Wi-Fi at 12:36:39.

 

[Tortoise]

CW played a clip of Karen saying she pulled into JO's garage at 12:41. He wants us to forget that Guarino said Karen connected to JO's Wi-Fi at 12:36:39.

I don't think the CW wants the jury to forget anything about the WiFi connection. The clips played, IMO, were to compare timings in Mr Burgess's analysis with the defendant's own admissions.

Her admissions, from the three clips played, were that Karen -

1. performed a three-point turn before arriving at Fairview,

2. was pulling into John's garage at the time that she left a (seemingly accidental or butt dial) voicemail for John at 12.41, before the Lexus power off event at 12.42.08 (Lexus clock time)

3. thinks (as at her interview April 13, 2024) John died in the window of time ("12.25am/12.30am") when she was at Fairview, on all clocks.

JMO

 

[kuromiiiilove]

I posted a long post a while back.
What if there was a altercation inside, BH confronted JOK about his fling with Karen. He hit John and gave cut above eye. John his him and bruised knuckles. Dog then bits John.
John then retreat back to the car upset at Karen, and throws glass at car taillight, breaking it.
He yells that given what she did, he is going to sleep with someone else. Karen reverses to get out of dodge.
John drunk, angry and on wet glass (maybe even throwing the glass unbalanced him) falls and hits his head.
BH, BA or people from the house, hear the glass hitting the car, come out and see John on the ground.
They conclude that Karen has hit him with car.
(I had more in previous post)

Getting a group to lie is hard if someone in the group is actually guilty, but lying and hiding facts, when you think you are ensuring that someone you all firmly believe did the crime is held accountable, is I think easier to believe.

Respectfully, the only issue with this theory is that we now know the glass on Karen’s bumper did not match the glass of John’s cup!

 

[Gerald12]

In the absence of Karen testifying, I wonder if the jury will place extra weight on her own words as played through the video clips. This youtube video has put all the clips together without commentary and I think it's pretty powerful when you watch it.

 

[Izzylizzy]

I see their names here and there and I'm curious.
They're both on the defense's witness list.
If either are called what can they offer the defense?
Colin Albert is said to have called Erin @ 12:33am on January 29th 2022.

• Thomas Beatty, Canton, MA
• Erin Beatty, Canton, MA

Karen Read trial witness lists: Who’s returning, who’s new, and who’s missing?

Prosecutors and defense attorneys in the Karen Read case have submitted their witness lists. Here's who's on them.

www.boston.com

 

[ShadyLady]

I see their names here and there and I'm curious.
They're both on the defense's witness list.
If either are called what can they offer the defense?
Colin Albert is said to have called Erin @ 12:33am on January 29th 2022.

• Thomas Beatty, Canton, MA
• Erin Beatty, Canton, MA

Karen Read trial witness lists: Who’s returning, who’s new, and who’s missing?

Prosecutors and defense attorneys in the Karen Read case have submitted their witness lists. Here's who's on them.

www.boston.com

From article, interesting. Since I thought CA pulled on BH to make sure JOK followed them to BA' home:

Read’s team has once again named the Lopilatos as potential witnesses, though the brothers were not called to testify during the first trial. They were involved in a 2002 incident in which Canton Police Lt. Michael Lank — one of the first officers to interview some of the Alberts after O’Keefe died — allegedly intervened in a fight on Chris Albert’s behalf.

 

[Izzylizzy]

Live now.

 

[ShadyLady]

I see their names here and there and I'm curious.
They're both on the defense's witness list.
If either are called what can they offer the defense?
Colin Albert is said to have called Erin @ 12:33am on January 29th 2022.

• Thomas Beatty, Canton, MA
• Erin Beatty, Canton, MA

Karen Read trial witness lists: Who’s returning, who’s new, and who’s missing?

Prosecutors and defense attorneys in the Karen Read case have submitted their witness lists. Here's who's on them.

www.boston.com

A review:

The second week of Karen Read's trial began with 2 more Canton officers testifying

Lt. Paul Gallagher and Sgt. Sean Goode took the stand as the prosecution continues to present its case to the jury.

www.boston.com

Question, if BH said he was only at BA's 30 minutes, but did not get to Canton police station till 1:30am, did he stop somewhere in between?

 

[Angelwatch]

A review:

The second week of Karen Read's trial began with 2 more Canton officers testifying

Lt. Paul Gallagher and Sgt. Sean Goode took the stand as the prosecution continues to present its case to the jury.

www.boston.com

Question, if BH said he was only at BA's 30 minutes, but did not get to Canton police station till 1:30am, did he stop somewhere in between?

Another possibility is that he didn’t leave when he stated.

 

[HarmonyE.]

Can’t they call him to the stand and just ask him to read the text messages he wrote about her - confirming the original bias. Then ask him about his job status. That is all they need from him. The CW then can’t deviate from those two topics since he is not their witness, correct?

I don't see how the defense could limit their questions to just the texts. The case they are building here is clearly that Proctor not only mishandled critical evidence but also that he deliberately planted evidence to ensure she'd be prosecuted and convicted.

To not go through the evidence handling with him after bringing him in as a witness would confuse the jury, IMO.

 

[ShadyLady]

I don't see how the defense could limit their questions to just the texts. The case they are building here is clearly that Proctor not only mishandled critical evidence but also that he deliberately planted evidence in order to ensure she'd be prosecuted and convicted.

To not go through the evidence handling with him would confuse the jury, IMO.

I am concern, the judge keeps saying they are on schedule, yet delaying court.

Then, she will cut short the defense and closings.

 

[lohrtabitha]

Can’t they call him to the stand and just ask him to read the text messages he wrote about her - confirming the original bias. Then ask him about his job status. That is all they need from him. The CW then can’t deviate from those two topics since he is not their witness, correct?

The jury needs to hear these messages read by him. There is no sugar coating this. His texts are so vulgar that the newspapers don't even write them verbatimely in their papers. How about the one that he writes to his friend " there is zero chance she skates from this. She's fu****. " This to me, shows that he planted evidence to make sure that there was ZERO chance. As I said before, one of the greatest things about this trial and for the state of Massachusetts. is that the evil Proctor got fired. That is gold." MOO

 

[lohrtabitha]

A review:

The second week of Karen Read's trial began with 2 more Canton officers testifying

Lt. Paul Gallagher and Sgt. Sean Goode took the stand as the prosecution continues to present its case to the jury.

www.boston.com

Question, if BH said he was only at BA's 30 minutes, but did not get to Canton police station till 1:30am, did he stop somewhere in between?

And Caitlyn Alberts testimony in first trial when she is getting crossed by the defense refutes BHs testimony. Higgins said he got to BAs first and she says that her and parents got there first. She also testify that BH was there about an hour or so.

 

[tara83]

In the absence of Karen testifying, I wonder if the jury will place extra weight on her own words as played through the video clips. This youtube video has put all the clips together without commentary and I think it's pretty powerful when you watch it.

The problem is the CW hasn't even proven he was hit by a car at all. They have changed the way they have said she hit him twice.

 

[lohrtabitha]

The problem is the CW hasn't even proven he was hit by a car at all. They have changed the way they have said she hit him twice.

Yes to this. This is the whole case for the jury and no one has testified that the car 100% hit JK and was the cause for his injuries and death.

 

[mrjitty]

The most interesting aspect of the discussion between Bederow and Tragos is that Bederow straight up conceded 1162, then they managed not to talk about the implications of that for the entire 90 mins. Per Bederow the case comes down to a few seconds, and apparently everyone is going to ignore that the defence had never admitted 1162 was the 34F journey until a few days ago.

IMO

 

[tara83]

Live now.

Wow. He thinks the CW just calls one more witness and this has been their whole case. Strange how most of those called ended up helping the defense and shown what a farce this whole thing has been.

 

[Spider92]

I posted a long post a while back.
What if there was a altercation inside, BH confronted JOK about his fling with Karen. He hit John and gave cut above eye. John his him and bruised knuckles. Dog then bits John.
John then retreat back to the car upset at Karen, and throws glass at car taillight, breaking it.
He yells that given what she did, he is going to sleep with someone else. Karen reverses to get out of dodge.
John drunk, angry and on wet glass (maybe even throwing the glass unbalanced him) falls and hits his head.
BH, BA or people from the house, hear the glass hitting the car, come out and see John on the ground.
They conclude that Karen has hit him with car.
(I had more in previous post)

Getting a group to lie is hard if someone in the group is actually guilty, but lying and hiding facts, when you think you are ensuring that someone you all firmly believe did the crime is held accountable, is I think easier to believe.

I think this a good theory, because I believe there were a combination of events that led to JOKs death and that both parties might bear some responsibility.
Clearly, imo, LE and some of the group at 34FV, are guilty of some wrongdoing. I believe that glass and/or pieces of taillight were planted in the sallyport and at 34FV. I also believe that Chloe attacked JOK.
But, I also believe that KR is not squeaky clean. I KNOW it’s not a popular viewpoint on this board, but I believe that KR’s multiple quotes of hitting something show a consciousness of guilt. I also find it highly suspicious that she knew just where to find JOK in the snow. She didn’t look for him on the front steps, she didn’t look for him on BA’s couch, she didn’t look for him in the bed of a former lover on that street, she didn’t look for him on Jen’s couch, and she didn’t look for him at the hospital for fear of a drunken car accident (I know JM or Kerri called some local ERs, but there seems to be no evidence that this occurred to KR). She just happened to look for him in the exact spot where he was found. I think she tried to hit him with the car and missed and/or she nicked him in the knee. Or perhaps he jumped out of the way and fell in the snow…. maybe he then stumbled into the house where he got in a fight, I just don’t know.
I know it might be highly improbable that a combination of actions, some by each party, led to his death. But let’s face it - something highly unusual definitely happened that night - for example Karen clipped him while leaving barely a bruise - or there was a coverup involving multiple people, none of whom have folded under pressure.
And, I’ll never forget how KR mocked Peg on national TV especially since these were words (allegedly) that Peg said just hours after learning her son was dead. I know that’s not a crime, but it tells me something about KR and I can’t let it go.
All this being said, there’s no way in the world that this jury finds her guilty.
All IMO.

 

[mrjitty]

I don't think the CW wants the jury to forget anything about the WiFi connection. The clips played, IMO, were to compare timings in Mr Burgess's analysis with the defendant's own admissions.

Her admissions, from the three clips played, were that Karen -

1. performed a three-point turn before arriving at Fairview,

2. was pulling into John's garage at the time that she left a (seemingly accidental or butt dial) voicemail for John at 12.41, before the Lexus power off event at 12.42.08 (Lexus clock time)

3. thinks (as at her interview April 13, 2024) John died in the window of time ("12.25am/12.30am") when she was at Fairview, on all clocks.

JMO

In the Tragos interview on the 12.36 router connection Bederow seemed to claim this was a problem for the CW but i fail to see how. Alessi did not contest it with Wiffin, and unless there is Lexus data how do they contest it? I doubt the judge is going to let them call an expert on it while the witness who knows the route, traffic conditions etc doesn't testify.

IMO