MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #29 Retrial

[Warwick7]

I am referring to his spreadsheet where he has the mileage read for 1162-1 and 1162-2

That does not negate expert's opinion: that striking John would have been a minimal impact and wouldn't trigger an event to register. M00

 

[twall]

Brennan said in opening the Lexus drove in reverse "at least 70 feet." But Welcher said the data ends with the Lexus going 53 feet in reverse?

87 feet, KR drove forward 34 ft. then reversed that amount plus another 53 ft.
34+53=87.

 

[kuromiiiilove]

87 feet, KR drove forward 34 ft. then reversed that amount plus another 53 ft.
34+53=87.

Yes, I understand. But Brennan directly said the Lexus reversed for ‘at least 70 feet’ in his opening statement. I’m just pointing out areas where the CW appears to be sloppy or maybe not fully understanding their own expert witnesses’ reports.

 

[Warwick7]

Welcher said that the EDR recorded no data that there was a collision at the time she allegedly hit John. No fault code registered. The CW still hasn't proven beyond a reasonable doubt that John was hit by Karen's vehicle. BAM!!!

 

[justwannahelp]

Right, I want to know why the safety stop did not engage on the Lexus when it made contact with JOK's vehicle in his driveway. My Jeep beeps/warns me when I am backing out of the garage and am too close to the trash can!

The only time the anti collision fails on reversing cars in my driveway is when a vehicle is reversing down the very last last section of my driveway which slopes down and there’s a car parked in the street directly across from my sloping driveway.

I figured it must be because the camera and or “sensor” is aiming down ONTO the actual street at that point in my driveway due to the slope there, so it doesn’t “see/sense” the car parked in the road.

Over the last 11 years 3 friends of my teenagers have hit a car parked directly across from my driveway. they all learned to drive relying on their rear view cameras and assist braking. They didn’t see the car and neither did their cars’ cameras. We warn all guests that their camera won’t pick up a car there, so to please physically turn around or take notice before getting in a vehicle to reverse. We’ve also told the neighbors to warn their guests about parking directly across from our driveway.

 

[Warwick7]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1927378058790543372

 

[OldCop]

I have admittedly skipped over some of the very dry parts of this testimony. Do we know if the high speed reverse could be the wheels spinning on the icy road?

 

[lohrtabitha]

Alessi objects a lot on technical points like leading - so they are going to be sustained and Brennan has to rephrase

It's stylistic. Other attorneys would not bother to object on that stuff. There is a lot of debate on these points e.g whether its better to do short or long cross.

I have read that it is because his objections become a matter or record . The record can be easily reviewed or used if there is need of an appeal or another retrial should happen.

 

[missy1974]

I have admittedly skipped over some of the very dry parts of this testimony. Do we know if the high speed reverse could be the wheels spinning on the icy road?

He mentions at one point the wheels were slipping.

I am having a hard time with the ... she was going 34mph and not slowing down and not braking at all at that point. That was the end of the trigger. How would he not be run over or her be on the doorstep?

At the slow pace this is going... we probably won't see Alessi's cross until tomorrow.

 

[kuromiiiilove]

I have admittedly skipped over some of the very dry parts of this testimony. Do we know if the high speed reverse could be the wheels spinning on the icy road?

Yes, absolutely. The Lexus EDR reads wheel speed sensors, not ground speed. If you’re in an icy patch and your wheels are spinning, it’s entirely possible for that to register as a ‘high speed’ reversal event, even if the car is going absolutely nowhere. MOO

 

[Warwick7]

Lest we forget that the MSP, and Trooper Proctor had possession of Karen Read’s vehicle during the 1162 key cycle = T1

 

[lohrtabitha]

I have admittedly skipped over some of the very dry parts of this testimony. Do we know if the high speed reverse could be the wheels spinning on the icy road?

Yes, that is what I just looked up. The wheels can be spinning and the car goes nowhere but the EDR will record it as speed.

 

[kuromiiiilove]

Lest we forget that the MSP, and Trooper Proctor had possession of Karen Read’s vehicle during the 1162 key cycle = T1

I actually do believe this.

Trooper Paul testified that 1164 was his testing of the Lexus.

1163 = driving into the CPD Sallyport off the tow truck
1162 = Proctor maneuvering the Lexus to get it on the tow truck

You really don’t need a physics degree to count backwards. I think this whole thing is very simple.

All MOO

 

[waldojabba]

Thanks to all the sidebars and the longer lunch break today I was able to catch up.

Interesting that there was no braking on the event... going that fast, wouldn't anyone have to slam on the brakes? How does that not register in this event?

I am suspicious about his tire spinnig calculations

As a native new englander and skier who actually likes to drive in snow, my mind immediately goes to trying to move the car but it's too slippery - so you initally jam the gas pedal - maybe to say 74% throttle - the engine revs and all the dials in whatever gauges there are on your dash go wonky - but the car has not moved, then it just catches and you de celerate and back up.
The next step after this one if you are still stuck is to "rock" the car - where you accelerate quickly, alternating between forward and reverse, just a few seconds in each, aka - "rock the car" - to get your car out of the slippery patch.

JMO

 

[bobbymkii]

So once again, the CW are spending an excruciating amount of time trying to debunk the defense's theory that the tap on John's vehicle caused the taillight to break and making zero effort to prove that contact with JO'K caused it to shatter, cause the injuries up the entire length of his arm and scatter all over the lawn.

Oh well, at least this guy did some actual investigating and provided a proper expert opinion on it. He didn't just watch a video on Court TV like Trooper Paul did!

MOO

 

[missy1974]

Ok KR's car bumping JOK's car... She bumped it enough to knock the snow off his car. This is one of his images.... I don't care what measurements were years later... this is an image that Brennan should have told him to skip. JMO

 

[Elliot_Alderson]

I actually do believe this.

Trooper Paul testified that 1164 was his testing of the Lexus.

1163 = driving into the CPD Sallyport off the tow truck
1162 = Proctor maneuvering the Lexus to get it on the tow truck

You really don’t need a physics degree to count backwards. I think this whole thing is very simple.

All MOO

Where are all my #1162 key cycle people at?

 

[Soulmagent]

LOL..How the back and forth video being played like that really made it look like the two cars seriously had an accident. Pictures worth 1000's and 1000's of words in this case.

 

[Soulmagent]

Also would her hitting the busted tail light with johns truck ,break it more? thus if it was aready broke ,more pieces would have fallen off.

 

[sunshineray]

What is expected of jurors is to use the evidence to decide if their is enough to convict or not. Hung juries happen because jurors are not all in agreement. They may have tried to reach an agreement but can't. We cant say that is not expected of them. Each juror is expected to uphold their own truth and there is real beauty in that.

I agree