MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #29 Retrial

[jepop]

1164 is Dighton. Trooper Paul's testing is a completely different day. They know this now because the have the odometer read for ignition on/off. Brennan introduced into evidence the odometer read photo before testing happened. These reads start 36 miles after the 1162 odometer read and waterfall ignition read.

I agree all this stuff was open to some doubt in T1 but now they have the timestamps with odometer reads they know which key cycle is for which event.

This is why Alessi is basing his whole trial strategy on less than 60secs of clock drift rather than 1162 happening 16 hours later

Even if you don't agree on the above, at the end of the day, a 70 second tow truck load cannot be 1162.

MOO

I haven't seen Brennan prove John was hit by a vehicle, period. Welcher couldn't explain. Jmo

 

[missy1974]

Judge sure is sustaining and striking from the record a lot today. Welcher trying to make conclusions he has not proven, can't prove, said he can't but giving an opinion as to what happened? Are we sure he is not just a trial watcher like us? haha

 

[lohrtabitha]

“We don’t know WHEN he was hit, during the techstream data” “we don’t know the speed at which he was hit” “we don’t know where he was when he was hit”

- the CW’s star expert witness on direct testimony

Can we get a woot, woot or a whomp there it is!!!

 

[missy1974]

I haven’t been watching today, but sounds like this witness was a bust for the CW from the posts (btw, thank you for the updates!).

It’s almost time for the days’s testimony to end. Do you think the CW will be finished with direct today and defense starts with cross in the morning?

Unfortunately.. yes, Alessi's cross will be tomorrow.. and I will have to set an alarm haha

 

[Tortoise]

Katie Benoit

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On page 133 of the PowerPoint presentation by Welcher. A few slides had to be taken down. There were some photos of O’Keefe’s autopsy.
@NBC10
#karenread









Katie Benoit

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O’Keefe’s mother is no longer in the courtroom. Jury is now seeing some of the autopsy photos again.
@NBC10
#KarenRead

 

[waldojabba]

Sounds like Doctor Welchers "medical" quiz for a fall vs crash came from People magazine with a reasonable degree of certainty.
This guy talks about watching KRs interviews, reading police reports etc and then talks about scientific certainty ? C'mon - so much confirmatin bias dripping from him - he should stick to the scientific facts. Veering off that path is not smart on his part IMO

 

[waldojabba]

I haven't seen Brennan prove John was hit by a vehicle, period. Welcher couldn't explain. Jmo

No worries Alessi is ready for this guy . Its very much not an even match
IMO

 

[Tortoise]

Jonathan Hall

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Jury sees a re-creation video of what the impact of the Lexus into o'keefe's right arm might have looked like. It's a glancing blow, Welcher spins around as arm makes contact with the tail light. Alessi wants a side bar and gets it.






Jonathan Hall

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Welcher's slide includes a photo of a wound to the back of the head. Peggy O'Keefe is no longe rin the courtroom..John's brother Paul has left as well but came back. He doesn't look athe screen.









Jonathan Hall

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Welcher says he dropped a crash test dummy backwards onto a hard surface....to test what the injuries might be.










Jonathan Hall

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Welcher says he has reached an expert opinion on whether John O'Keefe was struck by Karen Read's Lexus on 1-29-22. It's based on 130 slides, my inspection, tech stream data, cell phone data - it’s looking at where the tail light wan’t broken -

Jonathan Hall

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...it's considering the red color in t hehe snow - cell phone data, location nd position of arm lacerations - the air temp- and Miss read's interviews as well.









Jonathan Hall

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Welcher on whether Read rammed O'Keefe: based on the totality of the evidence, DNA, that is consistent with what happened. That is the totality of what happened.Alessi has another objection. Side bar. There have been a lot today.

 

[mrjitty]

But the defense can challenge the interpretation of the data. As they should.

sure. but we’ve seen quite a bit of Disorgas report which appears to be prepared on the basis that 1162 is from 34F

he even used a data point from the 3 point turn to calculate the variance on Johns phone that night.

MOO

 

[kuromiiiilove]

1164 is Dighton. Trooper Paul's testing is a completely different day. They know this now because the have the odometer read for ignition on/off. Brennan introduced into evidence the odometer read photo before testing happened. These reads start 36 miles after the 1162 odometer read and waterfall ignition read.

I agree all this stuff was open to some doubt in T1 but now they have the timestamps with odometer reads they know which key cycle is for which event.

This is why Alessi is basing his whole trial strategy on less than 60secs of clock drift rather than 1162 happening 16 hours later

Even if you don't agree on the above, at the end of the day, a 70 second tow truck load cannot be 1162.

MOO

Simply as I can state it - then why did Trooper Paul testify that 1164 was his testing, if they weren’t sure at the time and ‘now they know’? This seems like more shifting goalposts to me.

Also, there was no odometer increase at all between 1164 and 1167. How do you explain that?

 

[Tortoise]

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Jonathan Hall

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WE ARE DONE FOR THE DAY...starting late at 10 am tomorrow. Judge dismissed jury due to the long side bar.


Jonathan Hall

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Jury done but not the court. Alessi is making an objection. Wants it on the record in open court apparently. He has a couple minutes - Alessi says the defense strongly asserts there was no collision.

 

[kuromiiiilove]

Unfortunately.. yes, Alessi's cross will be tomorrow.. and I will have to set an alarm haha

Judge Cannone said they start an hour late tomorrow!

 

[Anniesflowers]

You would think. If their whole argument is a car hit a guy and it shattered the taillight, one would would think one of the first 5 witnesses would be someone who could definitively show that. IMO

Agreed! In addition, I think the ME would have been able to show injuries consistent with a vehicle strike. Their ME cannot say, with certainty, that any of his injuries were caused by a vehicle strike. The ME listed the manner of death as undetermined.

 

[Anniesflowers]

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Trooper Paul testified directly that 1164 was his testing of the Lexus. That’s locked in. From there, it’s simple logic based on the other times Karen’s car was turned on. We know:

• 1163 lines up with the Lexus being turned on as it was driven into the CPD sallyport off the tow truck.
• 1162 lines up with Proctor maneuvering the car to get it onto the tow truck.
• 1161 lines up with Karen (or her dad I don’t remember) driving from Canton to Dighton.
• 1160 lines up with Karen reversing out of 1 Meadows to look for John around 5am 1/29/22
• That would mean that the cycle the night John died was 1159, not 1162.

We know those were the only times the car was powered on between recovery and testing. If 1162 = the “fatal reverse,” then what, the hit happened while Proctor was moving the car in custody? That’s absurd. This timeline doesn’t require a physics degree. It just requires counting backwards and paying attention to the chain of custody. MOO.

Thank you . This is perfect - just what I was looking for!

 

[kuromiiiilove]

I haven't seen Brennan prove John was hit by a vehicle, period. Welcher couldn't explain. Jmo

Yes, important to remember 1162 is not a collision event at all!

 

[mrjitty]

Simply as I can state it - then why did Trooper Paul testify that 1164 was his testing, if they weren’t sure at the time and ‘now they know’? This seems like more shifting goalposts to me.

Also, there was no odometer increase at all between 1164 and 1167. How do you explain that?

probably because 1165 and 1166 are the tow truck load and unload and this short distances.

i’ll have a look at the exhibit again tomorrow.

 

[Angelwatch]

Why would Brennan keep the slide in showing head injuries come from pedestrian impacts when he already put a witness on the stand stating it was from a backwards fall? Pay attention, Brennan. Did he not check the slides?

 

[waldojabba]

When the Dr was asked to back up his opinion none of his reasons linked the Lexus to actually striking John.
There was no collision event.
Her vehicle in his own demonstration was not shown to be backing up and hopping the curb and veering in to the front lawn and hitting a tall drunk man. It backed up straight on the street.
Why no body on the lawn?
Or didn't the Dr's packet of info from Brennan let him know that.

JMO

 

[Anniesflowers]

Add in, what we the taxpayers are shelling out for Aperture ( Shanon and the Dr) and its really a lot of money that would be better used in childhood education for instance
And the farce continues
JMO

Absolutely!! It’s shameful.

 

[Maat99]

Why would Brennan keep the slide in showing head injuries come from pedestrian impacts when he already put a witness on the stand stating it was from a backwards fall? Pay attention, Brennan. Did he not check the slides?

CW can’t keep all their various stories straight - what a farce.