MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #30 Retrial

[lohrtabitha]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1928093877983998405

Judge C will probably scold him for that tomorrow.

 

[rescuemom]

Welcher looks at the jury and said " I told you guys".
lol

Class act! A legend in his own mind!

 

[BUF]

I can’t think of any of this thread’s ‘regulars’ who started as NG and ended up feeling she was guilty! I like many others actually figured she was ‘probably’ guilty (I will admit - I had a bit of a just world fallacy there, and thought ‘surely she wouldn’t be arrested on those charges if there wasn’t SOMETHING there’), and then as T1 proceeded, completely changed my mind when I saw all the… trying to think of a PG word here… tomfoolery happening from the Fairview Crew and CW. MOO

I have to admit that I wasn’t really following this case much….until I happened to turn T1 on and watched AJ on cross with a witness…I got hooked!

I came away from T1 with a NG….and as T2 has progressed, I haven’t changed my mind, actually feeling even stronger with NG.

 

[rescuemom]

It is so obvious that without Judge Cannone, Brennan would be denied routinely - she does not even listen to Alessi - she just goes with Brennan. Make no mistake, those two are a team. jmo

There are 2 videos where the two alledgedly communicate. One where Hank nods his head, Bev then immediately calls I think a side bar and one where she brushes her cheek, Hank immediately objects and then Bev calls a break...I may have them mixed up and no I have no link but they are out there.

 

[rescuemom]

As expected, jurors being sent home now, return tomorrow at 9:30am.

Oh, and the judge has deemed us to be AHEAD of schedule now!!

Whose schedule?? Wanna bet she will try to rush the defense case at every opportunity.

 

[missy1974]

There are 2 videos where the two alledgedly communicate. One where Hank nods his head, Bev then immediately calls I think a side bar and one where she brushes her cheek, Hank immediately objects and then Bev calls a break...I may have them mixed up and no I have no link but they are out there.

I am not a fan of Brennan .. BUT... reporters in the courtroom have said that Brennan (and other lawyers) stands wayyyy before we hear him object, we see sometimes the witness looks that direction, that is probably why. So the witness... the judge.. the jury... sees the lawyers standing, they all know it's coming before we hear it on the feed.

JMO

 

[missy1974]

I am not a fan of Brennan .. BUT... reporters in the courtroom have said that Brennan (and other lawyers) stands wayyyy before we hear him object, we see sometimes the witness looks that direction, that is probably why. So the witness... the judge.. the jury... sees the lawyers standing, they all know it's coming before we hear it on the feed.

JMO

just to add to this...

https://twitter.com/x/status/1927391665519464835

 

[katykat]

I'm playing catch up on this so I'm only about half way through cross. But again I'm so unimpressed with Alessi (his hands outburst was just bizarre) - Jackson is a great lawyer and would be so much better with this.

 

[TDoc72]

Right. It's pretty clear in Alessi's questions that he was able to ask Welcher and from his argument this morning, the defense absolutley disputes the key cycles still and they will have to address it now with their own witnesses.

I also don't think it's a horrible strategy to let the CW marry themselves to that 1162 key cycle and when it occured if they have witnesses that will now come out and say, nope.

We have all been watching the key cycle debate for a year, the jury has not. So how will that land with the jury when they are shown that Trooper Pauls testing was key cycle 1164 (pretty sure even Welcher said this) and we have video evidence of other key cycles.. it's pretty simple to count back IMO

Hmm…wondering now if this is why Brennan wanted to be able to have rebuttal. (Yes, I know rebuttal is allowed but it’s always with new witnesses and not witnesses that have already testified.)

 

[sunshineray]

BBM by me. Powerful words from KR herself. Makes me wonder if KR did indeed see JO in her car mirrors as she was angrily and drunkenly maneuvering her vehicle, hitting him and/or if she also saw JO laying there, as she left the scene. AJMO

“Could I have clipped him? Could I have tapped him in the knee and incapacitated him?” she said during an interview for a documentary on the case. “He didn’t look mortally wounded, as far as I could see” but “could I have done something that knocked him out and in his drunkenness and in the cold didn’t come to again.”

Prosecution rests in trial of Karen Read, charged in police officer boyfriend's death

The prosecution is resting in the second trial of Karen Read after attorneys for the state of Massachusetts took a more streamlined approach to try to prove Read’s guilt in the killing of her Boston police officer boyfriend

abcnews.go.com

 

[geevee]

No the judge didn't exclude cross-examination of Welcher's evidence that 1162-2 was the relevant key cycle.

She excluded reference to Trooper Paul's testimony last year, because Welcher did his own analysis and reconstruction, which was not based on Trooper Paul's findings. He only used a photo of the odometer reading taken by Zach Clark, which is not using Trooper Paul's analysis.

1162 went unchallenged by the defence.

MOO

Alessi started to challenge it and then they had a sidebar and when he came back he said they'd get back to it later, and later never came. I don't think it goes unchallenged in their CIC, I was just surprised that he didn't get back to it, I didn't figure it had anything to do with the ruling about Trooper Paul,

 

[MerlinFalcon]

I'm playing catch up on this so I'm only about half way through cross. But again I'm so unimpressed with Alessi (his hands outburst was just bizarre) - Jackson is a great lawyer and would be so much better with this.

I think he was rattled by Welcher. I had been looking forward to him crossing Welcher but he didn’t do as well as I hoped.

 

[kuromiiiilove]

BBM by me. Powerful words from KR herself. Makes me wonder if KR did indeed see JO in her car mirrors as she was angrily and drunkenly maneuvering her vehicle, hitting him and/or if she also saw JO laying there, as she left the scene.

“Could I have clipped him? Could I have tapped him in the knee and incapacitated him?” she said during an interview for a documentary on the case. “He didn’t look mortally wounded, as far as I could see” but “could I have done something that knocked him out and in his drunkenness and in the cold didn’t come to again.”

Prosecution rests in trial of Karen Read, charged in police officer boyfriend's death

The prosecution is resting in the second trial of Karen Read after attorneys for the state of Massachusetts took a more streamlined approach to try to prove Read’s guilt in the killing of her Boston police officer boyfriend

abcnews.go.com

She is thinking of possibilities, and ‘seeing’ possibilities in her ‘minds eye’, if you will. Pretty common figure of speech.

We can take anything out of context, like Welcher saying he felt like he was ‘talking the jury to death’, in a murder trial. But it doesn’t mean it’s relevant or meaningful. MOO.

 

[missy1974]

I think he was rattled by Welcher. I had been looking forward to him crossing Welcher but he didn’t do as well as I hoped.

I think Welcher would have had the same demeanor with any of the defense lawyers, I think that Alessi is the only one of them that wouldn't lose his cool LONG before he did. JMO

 

[tara83]

I think Welcher would have had the same demeanor with any of the defense lawyers, I think that Alessi is the only one of them that wouldn't lose his cool LONG before he did. JMO

With a witness this hostile it would be hard to do much. But I did think he got some big points across about actual tests not run,he did have his mind made up before and couldn't even tell where they were when he was supposed to have been hit.

 

[missy1974]

She is thinking of possibilities, and ‘seeing’ possibilities in her ‘minds eye’, if you will. Pretty common figure of speech.

We can take anything out of context, like Welcher saying he felt like he was ‘talking the jury to death’, in a murder trial. But it doesn’t mean it’s relevant or meaningful. MOO.

The "clips" are just that... clips. I do wonder how it will go over with the jury. Some people just read headlines, watch clips and take it all literally, some people do not.

I am a do not person, I always want to know the context, the question that was asked, etc. Why? Because the figures of speech, the context, the question asked can change the meaning of just about any "snip". JMO

 

[missy1974]

DiSogra will be the defense's first witness.. from KR herself..

https://twitter.com/x/status/1928143091598246024

 

[Amber29]

BBM by me. Powerful words from KR herself. Makes me wonder if KR did indeed see JO in her car mirrors as she was angrily and drunkenly maneuvering her vehicle, hitting him and/or if she also saw JO laying there, as she left the scene.

“Could I have clipped him? Could I have tapped him in the knee and incapacitated him?” she said during an interview for a documentary on the case. “He didn’t look mortally wounded, as far as I could see” but “could I have done something that knocked him out and in his drunkenness and in the cold didn’t come to again.”

Prosecution rests in trial of Karen Read, charged in police officer boyfriend's death

The prosecution is resting in the second trial of Karen Read after attorneys for the state of Massachusetts took a more streamlined approach to try to prove Read’s guilt in the killing of her Boston police officer boyfriend

abcnews.go.com

If she is convicted, it will be her own words in some of these clips that does it. Sadly not the case the CW has put forth because the case is incredibly weak. IMO

I’ve already said I disagree with the prosecution playing these clips as they are taken out of context and perfectly clipped. Honestly though it’s her lawyers fault for allowing her to do these interviews between these 2 trials. I don’t know what they were thinking.

 

[missy1974]

IIRC Alessi asked Welcher about the Bendix Data Recorder today.

ETA: Nope, I think it was "Bosch" systems talked about today.

DELTA |v| publishes paper on Bendix Data Recorder | DELTA |v| Forensic Engineering posted on the topic | LinkedIn

We are proud to announce the publication of a groundbreaking research paper by two of DELTA |v|’s very own, Matt DiSogra and Adam Yeakley, titled "Examination of the Data Structures of the Bendix® Data Recorder," through the Society of Automotive Engineers. This paper marks a significant...

www.linkedin.com

 

[sunshineray]

Wow...just wow...Has anyone here ever seen a judge be so blatant in preventing a defense lawyer to cross examine a witness. What has happened to trying to just get to the truth?

I see no such behavior. I think this judge has been extremely unbiased during this trial. Just because the judge rules in favor of the prosecution doesn't mean she's bias against the defense. It means she has found legal cause to do so. AJMO