MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #31 Retrial

[Mony Mony]

If Michael Proctor had not deleted the location data from Karen Read’s phone in April 2022 it might have been easier to confirm KR could have hit JOK with her Lexus.

And yet, Proctor deleted the location data.

Why do you think he did that? Who did the deletion benefit?

Did this information come out during the first trial? I must have missed it. Thanks.

 

[lohrtabitha]

There are many reasons when watching a trial not read articles about LE conspiracy in the area.
Mine is- to remain open minded and consider the evidence as it is presented in the trial. That is what the system expects jurors to do- even when corruption is possible or likely.

So, corruption happens, but I’m not ready to use it as an explanation without considering anything else. That would mean everyone up for trial in the city, county, or state should be set free.
I’m not there, yet.

IMO

That is your perogative but as a scientist don't you look at all the evidence, theories, and environment or surroundings to help you arrive at your funding? The environment or surroundings in this case, has corruption LE in Canton and surrounding areas. This is why the FBI jumped into the case recommending AArca to investigate. Moo

 

[Warwick7]

If Michael Proctor had not deleted the location data from Karen Read’s phone in April 2022 it might have been easier to confirm KR could have hit JOK with her Lexus.

And yet, Proctor deleted the location data.

Why do you think he did that? Who did the deletion benefit?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1887538829525197168

 

[keek]

They haven't testified yet in this trial so I can't evaluate them yet.

<modnip> It takes years of experience and education in that field though as we have seen does not always work out that way, Burgess from the same co. was shredded for lieing about his education in this.. Prosecution has learned for sure by this past week to REALLY check out the co. and the people you have taken on as witnesses. Cringe for sure and all are watching and commenting on this big snafu with them in the outside world, legal minds for sure. IMO

 

[Warwick7]

Did this information come out during the first trial? I must have missed it. Thanks.

Yes.

Green testified Karen’s GPS data was deleted from her phone in April 2022, in Proctor’s custody. Lally moves on quick.

Library video, Ring video, Sallyport video, Karen’s GPS - all deleted

There is a Twitter clip for proof.

 

[keek]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1887538829525197168

Oh Proctor, important EVIDENCE of taillights GONE while in proctor's so called custody, for long time. Hopefully the town employee who gave the vid of the library area of KR passing will be on to repeat, what he got RETURNED WAS NOT the same vid that he had to turn in to PROCTOR. That SHOULD of been the big helllooo also, to anyone supporting proctor as a professional investigator and not a compromised one for his buds, be a local hero to them. FIRED now, they are not, they are carrying on as usual, so far. IMO

 

[lohrtabitha]

John's arm.

The expert evidence was completely credible, IMO. I see no evidence that he doesn't know his physics, as I have already said.

And yes I would expect an arm to impact the light extensively, at the speeds he referenced, it wasn't just an elbow, it was a whole arm, in all the places he had lacerations, as demonstrated by the paint transfer.

Welcher didn't expect a sideswipe impact at the rear to deploy airbags, or register as a collision. There were multiple scratches, one on the rear quarter panel, one on the hatch, and a dent also on the hatch.

MOO where applicable

Why not take the tail light pieces and line them up to his arm? Probably because they won't line up.

 

[shotgun09]

Interesting......The company site for Aperture no longer allows you to search their experts. You now have to 'submit a request'. Funny that...
Last week, we were able to see Burgess and Welcher on their site.

Not anymore.....

 

[Warwick7]

Interesting......The company site for Aperture no longer allows you to search their experts. You now have to 'submit a request'. Funny that...
Last week, we were able to see Burgess and Welcher on their site.

Not anymore.....

Now that is FUNNY!

 

[Tortoise]

Yes, seriously, I do. The expert evidence was credible. He is very qualified to give his opinion as a biomechanical/biomedical engineer, with vast experience in accident reconstruction. I don't pay attention to less qualified opinions on the subject.

IMO

Additionally, ARCCA also engaged in deleted chats with the defence, and messaging by encrypted app, Signal.

MSM Link from Voir Dire of Dr Wolfe, ARCCA: MSN

"As Brennan continued to press Wolfe about his communications with defense, Wolfe admitted to deleting text exchanges with Read’s lawyers."

"Wolfe said the only person he texted on the defense team was Jackson. He confirmed he had communicated with the defense on other platforms, like Signal, an encrypted messaging app.

“It keeps no record of the communication,” Brennan said of Signal.

Wolfe said he hadn’t used the app in communicating with anyone else."

 

[keek]

Interesting......The company site for Aperture no longer allows you to search their experts. You now have to 'submit a request'. Funny that...
Last week, we were able to see Burgess and Welcher on their site.

Not anymore.....

Their fans REALLY need to see and digest what this means as far as EXPERTS and their non results. Worked for the defense's needs for sure, what a surprise to the Prosecution, not one they expected for sure. IMO

 

[Tortoise]

Why not take the tail light pieces and line them up to his arm? Probably because they won't line up.

I believe he did line up the top scratches on JOK's upper arm to the jagged piece still attached to the taillight housing. I'll look for the testimony.

EDITED TO ADD testimony of John's wound location matching up to broken taillight

timestamp 6.17.39

 

[AngTxGal]

Why not take the tail light pieces and line them up to his arm? Probably because they won't line up.

Why didn’t Welcher use a crash test dummy and make a Lexus in reverse hit it? Then we could see what happens to a body at different speeds.

Welcher didn’t do this test- he explained that if the angle was slightly off you would get very different results.
But- he claims to know that the arm could shatter the taillight. It is math of forces and angles- he should be able to model something similar. Why didn’t he? I think it is because he couldn’t. It wouldn’t work.

IMO

 

[Tortoise]

Why didn’t Welcher use a crash test dummy and make a Lexus in reverse hit it? Then we could see what happens to a body at different speeds.

Welcher didn’t do this test- he explained that if the angle was slightly off you would get very different results.
But- he claims to know that the arm could shatter the taillight. It is math of forces and angles- he should be able to able to model something similar. Why didn’t he? I think it is because he couldn’t. It wouldn’t work.

IMO

Dr Welcher explains here why he can't replicate with a crash test dummy

"cadavers, crash dummies, don't have any muscle reaction, so the motion of a crash dummy is just going to be like you're hitting a dead body"

41.09

 

[Wishbone]

Yeah, I agree body temp should have fallen quicker, in a blizzard, on the cold ground, without a coat. When they described rendering aid- chest compressions and rescue breaths I said? What?
And then EMTs intubated and put him on a ventilator.
I was shocked he had been out in a blizzard that long and was alive and not frozen!

I didn’t know the temp outside- but we know it was January, near Boston, at night, the sun goes down early, and a blizzard!

I’ll have to see how the body temp was presented- if they say lower than 80, or if they say measured at 80 degrees F. And how was it measured?
Core temp is used to determine time of death, and measurement happens using a thermometer into a deceased person’s liver. He was alive when found, so how was it measured?
Comparing an alive person’s body temp with a deceased person’s to find time of death are very different. Here we are talking about 5 hours- so it is well beyond the time that should have killed him. So you would then ask how on earth could still be alive?

And… JM did a search to find out how long it would take. So if she read the results she would have known JO’s alive and unfrozen body she was seeing near 6AM, doing chest compressions on could not have been outside exposed the entire time since she last text him when the SUV was in front of the house.

Hmmm- that is some pretty incriminating evidence and food for thought!

Great points! And just the kind of evidence that makes me think! Thank you for your time here!
IMO

At 18 °C, the brain can tolerate ten times longer periods of cardiac arrest than at 37 °C. When faced with a patient in cardiac arrest who is hypothermic, it is important to remember that they should not be declared dead until they have been rewarmed

Hypothermia: Beyond the Narrative Review—The Point of View of Emergency Physicians and Medico-Legal Considerations - PMC

Hypothermia is a widespread condition all over the world, with a high risk of mortality in pre-hospital and in-hospital settings when it is not promptly and adequately treated. In this review, we aim to describe the main specificities of the ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Dr wolf mentioned rewarming JO before declaring him dead during his testimony.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Did you find the ARCCA experts credible?

No

 

[Linda7NJ]

Yes.

Green testified Karen’s GPS data was deleted from her phone in April 2022, in Proctor’s custody. Lally moves on quick.

Library video, Ring video, Sallyport video, Karen’s GPS - all deleted

There is a Twitter clip for proof.

This is not trial 1

 

[Wishbone]

Yeah, I agree body temp should have fallen quicker, in a blizzard, on the cold ground, without a coat. When they described rendering aid- chest compressions and rescue breaths I said? What?
And then EMTs intubated and put him on a ventilator.
I was shocked he had been out in a blizzard that long and was alive and not frozen!

I didn’t know the temp outside- but we know it was January, near Boston, at night, the sun goes down early, and a blizzard!

I’ll have to see how the body temp was presented- if they say lower than 80, or if they say measured at 80 degrees F. And how was it measured?
Core temp is used to determine time of death, and measurement happens using a thermometer into a deceased person’s liver. He was alive when found, so how was it measured?
Comparing an alive person’s body temp with a deceased person’s to find time of death are very different. Here we are talking about 5 hours- so it is well beyond the time that should have killed him. So you would then ask how on earth could still be alive?

And… JM did a search to find out how long it would take. So if she read the results she would have known JO’s alive and unfrozen body she was seeing near 6AM, doing chest compressions on could not have been outside exposed the entire time since she last text him when the SUV was in front of the house.

Hmmm- that is some pretty incriminating evidence and food for thought!

Great points! And just the kind of evidence that makes me think! Thank you for your time here!
IMO

Dr. Irini Scordi-Bello testified at Karen Read's retrial that John O'Keefe's body temperature was 80.1°F when he was brought to the hospital.

 

[Tortoise]

Interesting......The company site for Aperture no longer allows you to search their experts. You now have to 'submit a request'. Funny that...
Last week, we were able to see Burgess and Welcher on their site.

Not anymore.....

Judson B. Welcher | Executive Vice President

Judson B. Welcher

www.aperturellc.com

Shanon Burgess | Forensic Expert

Shanon Burgess

www.aperturellc.com

 

[shotgun09]

Judson B. Welcher | Executive Vice President

Judson B. Welcher

www.aperturellc.com

Shanon Burgess | Forensic Expert

Shanon Burgess

www.aperturellc.com

Thanks
I see that you can still Google each of them alongside Aperture and get their link. But, separately, if you generically go to Aperture LLC in general, you don't get the option to look up experts. You get the old,
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