MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #32 Retrial

[lohrtabitha]

Oh, maybe he got mixed up in his memory and was out plowing the following night, after the real snow fall.

Oh the false memory show. That was the CWs gal.

 

[Soulmagent]

I missed the beginning of Dr. Russell’s testimony. I know that she worked as an ER Dr. at a prominent trauma hospital and is a former police officer. Did she specialize/train in dog bites? My sil was an ER nurse at a trauma hospital and they were not fortunate enough to have a Dr. who specialized in dog/animal bites.

Dr. Russel is an amazing person. If you get time to search the web for the messages the people who have worked with her have posted ,please do .I want her to speak to my local elementary school kids

 

[Forest_Wood]

I missed the beginning of Dr. Russell’s testimony. I know that she worked as an ER Dr. at a prominent trauma hospital and is a former police officer. Did she specialize/train in dog bites? My sil was an ER nurse at a trauma hospital and they were not fortunate enough to have a Dr. who specialized in dog/animal bites.

From reading an article originally posted by @missy1974 and reposted by me up thread, Dr Russell was trained by one of the premier ME's in LA back in the day. She had an interest in photography when she took pics of various tattoos on street gang members that represented a different language in code words/imagery. From her study of patterns, she was able to observe and identify hidden meanings of these tattoos that helped her to diagnose and treat people in the emergency rooms. I imagine she transferred her visual interest of patterns to dog bites. She has studied and photographed dog wounds for many years. It was also said that she worked in prisons as a ME and supervisor, plus she teaches classes. Her experience is extensive and varied, a very unique skillset.
MOO

 

[waldojabba]

Do you think the Defence should just rest so? If it seems a slam dunk, would now be the best time to finish rather than let any more confusion arise?

It would be too premature - the best evidence is yet to come !
JMO

 

[Forest_Wood]

It was a step towards justice. The fact is KR is innocent of her charges ,other than her DUI. Which should have been charged on scene.

Karen Read deserves to be found guilty of DUI for sure! But she wasn't even charged with that because, well, Proctor and the rest of the gangsters thought it was an open and shut case for M2 because you know, she's a whack job.
MOO

 

[tara83]

If you look at the bones of the case i.e. what does the state have to prove, I think it's pretty clear the defence has evidential work to do for a couple of reasons.

First up, Brennan has achieved a much better version of the case than Lally got. That is partly good fortune, as Burgess' ingenuity in extracting the Lexus user data from the SD card effectively proves the defendant drove at high speed outside Fairview. Because that high speed reversing gives you a dangerous intentional act - the defence needs to focus on causation. So ARCCA at least need to sow some doubt that the John's fatal injury was directly caused by the defendant's high speed reverse. Based on last time, i think they will establish a plausible theory to compete with Welcher - but the D cannot rest without it.

Second, even with ARCCA, the defence still need enough evidence that the defendant was framed. For example, the tail light fragments cannot be found by SERT or be recovered in Johns shirt without either a collision or corrupt framing. This time the defence so far do not have access to Proctor, or their preferred culprits BA and BH. How they plug this up I am not sure. Maybe they mostly rely on ARCCA to imply framing if that makes sense.

MOO

Sorry but the defense doesn't have to PROVE she was framed. They just have to prove reasonable doubt and the fact that the CW can't even prove John was hit by a car is reasonable doubt by itself.

 

[Soulmagent]

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It would be too premature - the best evidence is yet to come !
JMO

You must know something ! lol
It would be a hard call for me .I feel if I was a lawyer I might call it. but Alessi i..I am not.

 

[Soulmagent]

Sorry but the defense doesn't have to PROVE she was framed. They just have to prove reasonable doubt and the fact that the CW can't even prove John was hit by a car is reasonable doubt by itself.

Right ? all this extra is gravy.
1,000s of people are on trial everyday. One bad dept makes the whole system look awful. it is how it looks.Trust is hard to regain.

 

[waldojabba]

I often wonder why the defence argues that Lucky would have seen John, because there wasn't any real snow to talk of at that time of the morning, yet there was enough snow to be out plowing the roads. JMO

I live here but in a different town - our guys plow like every two inches - serious overkill and a waste of money imo but thats what its like.

Lucky for sure would have seen the body as would have any of the people coming and going into that house after the P's "drop dead" date of what 12;33am ish.

Brennan will give it his best shot to discredit this good samaritan. I hope HB's souless surly/nasty demeanor works as well on Lucky as it did on Dr Russell.

JMO

 

[Leilei]

Oh, maybe he got mixed up in his memory and was out plowing the following night, after the real snow fall.

Didn't Higgins also "plow" at 34 that night?
Lucky was actually employed by DPW in Canton at the time, and they called him in that night IIRC.
Easily proven via timesheets, so no, this isn't a "false memory" from Lucky.
IMO.

 

[waldojabba]

Didn't Higgins also "plow" at 34 that night?
Lucky was actually employed by DPW in Canton at the time, and they called him in that night IIRC.
Easily proven via timesheets, so no, this isn't a "false memory" from Lucky.
IMO.

Yes Higgins said in the first trial that he plowed the driveway when he arrived there from the waterfall - I am not sure why he did that though as didnt the meterologist say only enough at that time for "cat tracks". He then took his jeep with the plow attached up front and parked in front of the house.
jmo

 

[missy1974]

I live here but in a different town - our guys plow like every two inches - serious overkill and a waste of money imo but thats what its like.

Lucky for sure would have seen the body as would have any of the people coming and going into that house after the P's "drop dead" date of what 12;33am ish.

Brennan will give it his best shot to discredit this good samaritan. I hope HB's souless surly/nasty demeanor works as well on Lucky as it did on Dr Russell.

JMO

I'd rather them waste the money on keeping the roads safe than blue paint experiments

I do wonder if some people don't realize just how easy he should have been to see? with a litle bit of snow... with a bit more of snow?

Some of the house party goers, I can see them missnig it .. the passengers, not the drivers.

Night driving with snow, it is WAY easier to spot something out of place. JMO

 

[Lost mittens]

Whoever edited that picture they forgot to put the wheel back

Love your username lol

 

[keek]

Lucky is up.

 

[Leilei]

Lucky takes the stand

 

[missy1974]

Love your username lol

LOL I don't always look at the names.. that is funny!

 

[missy1974]

did he testify about these connections last year? with the alberts?

 

[Soulmagent]

LOL I don't always look at the names.. that is funny!

I do not even read lost mittens name in my head. she is the other missy! Assuming gender dont come for me.

 

[sunshineray]

i could understand someone not remembering something and later correct their testimony if they happen to recall something they were unable to recollect earlier. It is very hard to believe someone who testifies to having seen something and then recants that testimony labeling it a "false memory". Did she dream it or have a vision.? It is so hard to give her testimony any credibility. Just imagine if everyone changed their stated testimony by simply labeling it a "false memory" It would be laughable if this situation was not so serious.

With all the things talked about in the numerous medias, considering the length of time and her professional life continuing on in-between, it's very possible, IMO.

It's even possible this officer could have seen a couple people on the monitor discussing where in the Sally port to put the Lexus before it was brought in, misjudging who it was. Do we even know if a vehicle had to be moved out of the Sally port to make room for the Lexus? Maybe that's what Officer Dever saw or glanced at on a monitor not directly in front of her?

It's likely she was very occupied in dealing with her two screens, on a night/early morning into afternoon, when the weather was such an issue. I don't know for sure what her work load entailed that night and where her attention was mainly focused but I can guess it was a busy bit of overtime for her with a blizzard hitting the area, MO.

I do know that the defense never challenged her leaving at the time she said she clocked out, not one word. So she couldn't have seen the Lexus when it arrived hours later. AJMO

 

[ShadyLady]

Didn't Higgins also "plow" at 34 that night?
Lucky was actually employed by DPW in Canton at the time, and they called him in that night IIRC.
Easily proven via timesheets, so no, this isn't a "false memory" from Lucky.
IMO.

I wonder what color the various Edges were. I think BH's was white?