MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #32 Retrial

[Amber29]

My camera records the road in front of my house. There must have been plenty of cameras that recorded Karen as well as the mystery Edge, but bet no one asked for them.

My house cameras also record everything to a dvr that just constantly overwrites itself. They aren’t just motion activated. I’m sure many home systems are this way.

 

[Bodhi]

Defense witnesses - thus far and is Green up tomorrow

-- Matthew DiSogra, engineer vehicle data/DeltaV
Tasked to review and critique CW’s witness SB’s report
Generated no report of his own
Did not challenge key cycles 1162-1 or 1162-2
Challenged timestamp variances


-- Jonathan Diamandis, friend of MP
Why not call MP...

It's already known, that MP said "she waffled him", ... Maybe they are avoiding the attorney client privilege text messages he saw?

-- Kelly Dever, Boston PD
Testified that the defense threatened her with perjury if she did not say what they wanted her to say on the stand.

-- Dr. Marie Russell, Ret. ER doctor
Wanted to incorporate herself into a high-profile case for publicity
Violated the sequestration order
Not a dog expert
Alessi helped her with her testimony


-- Sgt. Nicholas Barros, Dighton police
His testimony changed from trial one
Memory does not get better as time goes on
Its suspect for Sgt. to have driven from Dighton to Boston in order to speak w/Jackson, could have spoken via phone.

-- Brian Loughran, snowplow driver
“I saw nothing”
Saw no dumpster
Several drive bys of snowplow truck seen on video; not truthful about trying to watch events unfold.
Perjury

Karina Kolokithas, friend of KR, Knew Matt and Jen McCabe through youth sports for about 10 years
Witness added nothing for the defense, confirmation of what a great man John O’Keefe was.
Kiss on the forehead. Is the jury to believe this set off BH? Adds insult to their (jurors') intelligence.
Why testify: ex: Possible there may have been past issues over youth sports issues; parents can get quite passionate if kid isn’t getting enough play time.


Summary: Defense attempting to clutter the commonwealth’s case. Defense apparently desperate. Will see what else they got, but, theyre suspect thus far. Not a good track record. jmo, as always

Excellent summary! Thank you for posting it.

 

[keek]

Excellent summary! Thank you for posting it.

Oh, best to read through the timelines of an independent source. It is one's personal perspective that is very personal to them you can see glaringly IMO

 

[ShadyLady]

My house cameras also record everything to a dvr that just constantly overwrites itself. They aren’t just motion activated. I’m sure many home systems are this way.

Mine recorded 24/7 and stored in a cloud. I can program for just motion but instead have it set as 24/7.

I cant be the only one.

 

[kuromiiiilove]

So in Trial 1, Lt. Gallagher testified that the sallyport doors can ONLY be opened by dispatch computers. So if Devers didn’t let them in, who did? And why didn’t the CW pull personnel logs to ‘prove’ Devers wasn’t there?

MOO

 

[Malleeboy]

Defense witnesses - thus far and is Green up tomorrow

>>My Rebuts

-- Matthew DiSogra, engineer vehicle data/DeltaV
Tasked to review and critique CW’s witness SB’s report
Generated no report of his own
Did not challenge key cycles 1162-1 or 1162-2
Challenged timestamp variances

>>Highlighted that the Aperture unexperts cherry picked times that best suited prosecution, there were far more options which the vast majority did not support prosecution.

-- Jonathan Diamandis, friend of MP
Why not call MP...

It's already known, that MP said "she waffled him", ... Maybe they are avoiding the attorney client privilege text messages he saw?

>>Brennan would run through the case with a friendly witness, basically give him an extra summation of his story. Also seeking “absent witness instruction” from judge.


-- Kelly Dever, Boston PD
Testified that the defense threatened her with perjury if she did not say what they wanted her to say on the stand.

>>Ahh Boston where cops imagine precise scenarios, tell it to the FBI and then changes her story when encouraged by Police Commisioner

-- Dr. Marie Russell, Ret. ER doctor
Wanted to incorporate herself into a high-profile case for publicity
Violated the sequestration order
Not a dog expert
Alessi helped her with her testimony

>>Expert in ER and bite injuries.

>> Brennan was attempting to misrepresent what was said, Alessi was just ensuring the truth would come out not Brennan version of the words but the actual recorded words in the transcript.

>> Brennan has been instructing his witnesses (yawn)

-- Sgt. Nicholas Barros, Dighton police
His testimony changed from trial one
Memory does not get better as time goes on
Its suspect for Sgt. to have driven from Dighton to Boston in order to speak w/Jackson, could have spoken via phone.

>>Most prosecution witnesses memories improved. Barros planted doubt of taillight state.



-- Brian Loughran, snowplow driver
“I saw nothing”
Saw no dumpster
Several drive bys of snowplow truck seen on video; not truthful about trying to watch events unfold.
Perjury

>>Giving best recollection is never perjury. Simple man bullied by Brennan.

Karina Kolokithas, friend of KR, Knew Matt and Jen McCabe through youth sports for about 10 years
Witness added nothing for the defense, confirmation of what a great man John O’Keefe was.
Kiss on the forehead. Is the jury to believe this set off BH? Adds insult to their (jurors') intelligence.
Why testify: ex: Possible there may have been past issues over youth sports issues; parents can get quite passionate if kid isn’t getting enough play time.



>>BH texted Karen and was not getting response, video does show him agitated about something

>>Indicated that Karen had no real impact from alcohol.

 

[keek]

The courthouse may not have air conditioning, a lot of places in New England, including schools, don't.

It does not. True also.

 

[Seattle1]

She corrected that she left hours before the Lexus was even brought in. The defense did not argue that was incorrect, not a question about her time frame at work being wrong. They didn't bring it up. Why would that be if Officer Dever was testifying incorrectly? There's probably video of her leaving, possibly even getting in her car and leaving. There's probably lots of cameras in and around the police station, AJMO.

I disagree and probably should have added a disclaimer to my earlier post where I linked LT Gallagher's testimony from the first trial regarding control of the CPD Sally Port doors by the dispatch center/computer. I apologize for this.

First, I believe without a doubt that Officer Dever saw what she recalled in vivid detail and reported to the FBI under oath! She did not misremember anything.

Instead, I believe it was the timeline by the defense (that Dever later compared against her testimony to the FBI) that was in error! In other words, this is why the defense did not further challenge Dever. Dever took advantage of an injustice on the defense... and in my opinion, karma has a long memory.

To be clear, in addition to the inverted Sally Port videos the CW produced for the first time in the middle of the first trial, the defense timeline error was also the result of a gross discovery violation by the CW where the Court failed to remedy the situation -- ruling the CW had no duty to preserve the evidence in secure form (no meta-data, no secure file, etc) and where the defense used unreliable information they could not verify to create a timeline, and Dever took advantage of the defense's error. The Jury instructions to explain the CW discovery violation are yet to be seen.

TBH, I have little confidence this will happen after the Court failed to allow a Motions hearing on the matter pretrial. I had to walk from this case in advance of trial 2.0. The rulings by this Court pretrial were beyond anything I'd ever seen before, and were just too much for me!

 

[Spider92]

Family and friends of JOK have obviously suffered greatly over the last 3+ years. It could be devastating to them to see a NG verdict - especially if deliberations are quick.
That being said, I wonder what they’re currently thinking about the case after the past few weeks. They must have doubts. I would at least think that his friends that appeared in the documentary must be having second thoughts.
….and are we allowed to discuss the civil case here?

 

[Forest_Wood]

Life will go on for her good or bad in her career. There could be repercussions for her from either side. She lived and worked in the cacoon of Canton. Two MSPs were in her PD, I wonder how often that happens. What works for Canton might not work for Boston. I'm not local so I'm curious to know if there was/is any friction among the various PDs?? BA and JOK were both BPD and crickets from the BPD.

I found Dever's attitude as a witness to just be self centred and one sided. There was not even a smidgen of empathy for the trial, or for the victim from her testimony. She was obviously hostile and angry to have been subpoenaed to have to show her face in public about this. She was sarcastic, defensive and resistant to answering most questions, to the point where it didn't even make sense. Testifying to her was nothing about the purpose of the trial - to offer insight to bring justice for the victim. Why would she be so angry, so hostile, so unhelpful, if she knew she was now telling the truth? I think she will have a very hard time overcoming this in her work life because it seems evident she absolutely saw what she stated to the FBI in detail, and now she's trying to back peddle because of consequences she has faced But it's too late. If she was my co-worker, I would never be able to trust her. And I certainly wouldn't be able to respect her. She'd be so hard to work with carrying around all that anger and resentment she holds. Yikes.
MOO

 

[Spider92]

I disagree and probably should have added a disclaimer to my earlier post where I linked LT Gallagher's testimony from the first trial regarding control of the CPD Sally Port doors by the dispatch center/computer. I apologize for this.

First, I believe without a doubt that Officer Dever saw what she recalled in vivid detail and reported to the FBI under oath! She did not misremember anything.

Instead, I believe it was the timeline by the defense (that Dever later compared against her testimony to the FBI) that was in error! In other words, this is why the defense did not further challenge Dever. Dever took advantage of an injustice on the defense... and in my opinion, karma has a long memory.

To be clear, in addition to the inverted Sally Port videos the CW produced for the first time in the middle of the first trial, the defense timeline error was also the result of a gross discovery violation by the CW where the Court failed to remedy the situation -- ruling the CW had no duty to preserve the evidence in secure form (no meta-data, no secure file, etc) and where the defense used unreliable information they could not verify to create a timeline, and Dever took advantage of the defense's error. The Jury instructions to explain the CW discovery violation are yet to be seen.

TBH, I have little confidence this will happen after the Court failed to allow a Motions hearing on the matter pretrial. I had to walk from this case in advance of trial 2.0. The rulings by this Court pretrial were beyond anything I'd ever seen before, and were just too much for me!

I’m confused- what do you mean that the timeline by the defense was in error? If I understand correctly, the timeline shows that the SUV arrived at the sally port around 5:30pm - are you saying that time was wrong?

 

[Seattle1]

Family and friends of JOK have obviously suffered greatly over the last 3+ years. It could be devastating to them to see a NG verdict - especially if deliberations are quick.
That being said, I wonder what they’re currently thinking about the case after the past few weeks. They must have doubts. I would at least think that his friends that appeared in the documentary must be having second thoughts.
….and are we allowed to discuss the civil case here?

Yes-- incredible suffering by all here. I believe the civil suit docs were posted here last year and the civil case stayed until the criminal case settled. IMO, this civil claim will be a difficult case for the parties to litigate in Court with no DUI citation, proof alcohol and/or the two establishments responsible for JOK's death. Seems to me this will likely end in a silent, goodwill gesture by insurance underwriters. JMO

John O'Keefe's family files wrongful death lawsuit against Karen Read, Canton bars

John O'Keefe's family filed a wrongful death lawsuit Monday against Karen Read and two bars in Canton, Massachusetts.

www.cbsnews.com

 

[DustysMom]

I don't agree. I think most people who are watching the trial including the jury, absolutely are bored to tears and tune Hank Brennan out each time that he speaks. I also don't think they liked the way he spoke to her and to Lucky. When he told Lucky, " sorry for your loss", there was no empathy there so it really dehumanized Brennan in my opinion.

I couldn’t agree more!!!

 

[Luna20]

I found Dever's attitude as a witness to just be self centred and one sided. There was not even a smidgen of empathy for the trial, or for the victim from her testimony. She was obviously hostile and angry to have been subpoenaed to have to show her face in public about this. She was sarcastic, defensive and resistant to answering most questions, to the point where it didn't even make sense. Testifying to her was nothing about the purpose of the trial - to offer insight to bring justice for the victim. Why would she be so angry, so hostile, so unhelpful, if she knew she was now telling the truth? I think she will have a very hard time overcoming this in her work life because it seems evident she absolutely saw what she stated to the FBI in detail, and now she's trying to back peddle because of consequences she has faced But it's too late. If she was my co-worker, I would never be able to trust her. And I certainly wouldn't be able to respect her. She'd be so hard to work with carrying around all that anger and resentment she holds. Yikes.
MOO

Good point. She seems like she could easily explode and cause a catastrophic event. Something is definitely off with her. I can’t put my finger on it but her aggression runs deep.

As far as the sarcasm, that is so unprofessional for anyone to do but she sees alot of it in her profession. That should be reason enough not to display that behavior. She has serious issues.

 

[Spider92]

Yes-- incredible suffering by all here. I believe the civil suit docs were posted here last year and the civil case stayed until the criminal case settled. IMO, this civil claim will be a difficult case for the parties to litigate in Court with no DUI citation, proof alcohol and/or the two establishments responsible for JOK's death. Seems to me this will likely end in a silent, goodwill gesture by insurance underwriters. JMO

John O'Keefe's family files wrongful death lawsuit against Karen Read, Canton bars

John O'Keefe's family filed a wrongful death lawsuit Monday against Karen Read and two bars in Canton, Massachusetts.

www.cbsnews.com

Yeah, I was thinking about the lawsuits against the bars too - the testimony by Karina that KR showed no signs of impairment from alcohol is like gold for the Waterfall, IMO.

 

[missy1974]

The clips shown were from the dashcam video of a patrol car that responded to the 911 call.

I'm not surprised they haven't presented video showing Karen's drive to John's house. The route is residential. Home security recordings are triggered by someone approaching the door or in the driveway. In the first trial, the prosecution played video they believe is her car driving downtown at a different time that night. It was recorded by a security camera from a church or maybe a library (I'm not sure which) at a major intersection downtown. The route between Fairview and Meadow doesn't have buildings like that with security cameras close enough to the road to be triggered by passing vehicles.

My question is what happened to the security footage from John's house showing Karen's vehicle arriving? It's unfortunate the prosecution wasn't able to get that.

BBM

They had the video at one point because it was noted in a report. It disappeared after it was in the hands of MSP. There is also video missing from early morning, when KR, KerriR and JMc left the house.

 

[missy1974]

My camera records the road in front of my house. There must have been plenty of cameras that recorded Karen as well as the mystery Edge, but bet no one asked for them.

Mine records all the time too

 

[Malleeboy]

BBM

They had the video at one point because it was noted in a report. It disappeared after it was in the hands of MSP. There is also video missing from early morning, when KR, KerriR and JMc left the house.

MOO If prosecution has evidence and that evidence is lost by them, then the evidence of its loss should be entered into evidence and taken into the light most positive to the defendant. Otherwise, police/prosecution will just lose exculpatory evidence.

 

[missy1974]

MOO If prosecution has evidence and that evidence is lost by them, then the evidence of its loss should be entered into evidence and taken into the light most positive to the defendant. Otherwise, police/prosecution will just lose exculpatory evidence.

it's all kind of a blur .. but I think this came out during this trial? I am not sure though now. DiCico (sp?) made the note in a report while looking at JOK's phone.

 

[Bodhi]

So in Trial 1, Lt. Gallagher testified that the sallyport doors can ONLY be opened by dispatch computers. So if Devers didn’t let them in, who did? And why didn’t the CW pull personnel logs to ‘prove’ Devers wasn’t there?

MOO

Dever's shift ended at 3:45. She wasn't there when the tow truck with Read's vehicle arrived.