MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #32 Retrial

[ShadyLady]

Why didn't judge allow KK to answer questions regarding the exchange between CA and BH? Pretty significant to insure John went to 134. And why didn't JeMc invite KK? Pretty rude...or hidden reason?

 

[Snoods]

RBBM. Totally with you on all this. Just regarding what I bolded, I wanted to say that personally I don't even find her unlikeable ( not that if a juror did develop such a feeling they should decide on guilt on that basis as you say).

I agree, I don’t find her unlikable at all. Karen seems like a genuinely kind, generous and giving person. She seems like she would be a great friend. Everyone who has testified has said they liked her.

 

[Anniesflowers]

Did Karina Kolokithas say she had been a pharmacist for 30 years?

Note to self: I need to start taking better care of my skin.

I KNOW! She’s gorgeous!

 

[ShadyLady]

She’s done.

I don’t find her unlikable at all, Karen seems like a genuinely kind and extremely generous and giving person. She seems like she would be a great friend. Everyone who has testified has said they liked her.

Not only did JenMc want to split up Karen from John, but split Karen from her friend KK. I think this is clue in the mystery. Why didn't Jen invite KK??

 

[LvsAMystry]

While it's interesting to wonder why HB agreed to take this job, I'm more curious to know why the Norfolk DA chose him to be a special prosecutor.

Because no one else wanted it IMO

 

[BUF]

Jury has this afternoon and tomorrow off?

Judge says they are ahead of schedule

 

[waldojabba]

I have no idea why the defense puts this guy on the stand. He's awful. Even if you believe his testimony, you have to then think all the electronic data is a lie... all of it... along with just about every witness.

Then, you have to believe JO was attacked inside the house. The murderers let him remain wounded for hours without aid. Then, decided the best thing to do was drag him out into the front yard to die in the snow.

That's a pretty heavy lift even for the most devoted "KR is innocent/not guity" disciples.

BBM above
What the plow driver did or did not see that early morning is pretty germaine to the case. Its one more piece of information - or yet another puzzle piece if you will
Why is he awful?
I see a seemingly decent man doing his civic duty and telling the truth.
Does it become inconvenient bc it contradicts other information? Part of the jury's job is to weigh conflicting information and decide what they think happened.
I wonder why the Prosecution never reached out to this man. Not even after the first trial.
Is his information inconvenient to them? Do they only want pieces of information that fit their narrative? If so, what other pieces of information have they discarded.
JMO

 

[Amber29]

I personally think it’s ok that lucky misremembered his times some that night. Similar to Dever her memory was proven it couldn’t have happened how she remembered because her timeclock. Luckys misremembering when mentioning midnight is disproven by his 230am start/clock in at work that night. That doesn’t change what he saw, only changes the possible time, which is even more beneficial to the defense. I would never expect people to remember exact times. JMc also didn’t remember times correctly.

 

[waldojabba]

I just went back into testimony to make sure.. and Lucky did say he talked to the defense PI 2 weeks after.

So how can he be pressured to come forward when he already had come forward?

I don't get it LOL

Of course you dont get it lol - it makes no sense !!!
It's smoke and mirrors a la Hank Brennan/ trying to confuse Lucky, trying to confuse the jurors
And possibly confusing some listeners and posters
Its simple Lucky talked to the PI early on - his story is truth
JMO

 

[Amber29]

Why didn't judge allow KK to answer questions regarding the exchange between CA and BH? Pretty significant to insure John went to 134. And why didn't JeMc invite KK? Pretty rude...or hidden reason?

It’s a very strange interaction, especially when paired with BHs text a bit later to JOK asking “you coming here??”

ETA Also paired with JMc’s incessant text and calls to JOK that night.

 

[Morag]

As to whether some find her unlikable…I wonder if it’s due to a so-called ‘class’ difference. Karen is very well-educated, a wealthy and self-made woman. After living in New England for many decades, I’ve noticed a “you think you’re better than me?” attitude among some blue collar types when interacting with women/men of Karen’s ilk. *
The pictures of her from before this tragedy show a radiantly lovely person with flawless skin, beautiful teeth, wonderful wardrobe….There was possibly a certain amount of envy going on when someone from within the tight friend group became the girlfriend of the handsome, eligible bachelor John.

*And, in fairness, I’ve noticed this sentiment in reverse from white-collar types.

 

[rescuemom]

I KNOW! She’s gorgeous!

Contrary to some other ‘real housewives of Canton’ She has class!!!! No wonder she and KR connected.

 

[GGbankster]

It's rather intriguing why Hank Brennan has decided to focus on the "blogger" during cross with Mr. Plow Guy. There must be a rationale behind his inquiries regarding the alleged intimidation and coercion of this witness by a blogger. Is he attempting to drag "Turtle Boy" into the Karen Read trial?

If that’s the case, what kind of courtroom antics are unfolding before our eyes? This is not just an attack on Karen Read, it’s an outright mockery of justice itself. If the judge plays along with this absurdity, we’re not just talking about bias, we’re talking about a complete failure of the judicial system.
IMO

 

[Forest_Wood]

Not only did JenMc want to split up Karen from John, but split Karen from her friend KK. I think this is clue in the mystery. Why didn't Jen invite KK??

The invitation was open to anyone there according to their testimony. Kk said she told her husband no we are going home. During T1.

 

[jepop]

She’s done.

I don’t find her unlikable at all, Karen seems like a genuinely kind and extremely generous and giving person. She seems like she would be a great friend. Everyone who has testified has said they liked her.

YEs, from the limited info available she seems to be fine. I was moved by her grief when they found JO. I just think she's very human and appears to be a very strong person too who knows her own mind. I think she has strong relationships with her family, the support shown by her father I also find very moving, and this must be helping her keep it together and advocate for herself while this nightmare and farce of a persecu... prosecution runs its course.Jmo

 

[mrjitty]

knowing about them or not... Lucky had already talked to someone. Probably why he was "aggravated", he had no obligation to tell anyone, especially media/blogger, that he had already spoken to someone and "did the right thing", so yep, an article, online campaign or whatever implying he hadn't, would be aggravating.

JMO

That isn't what matters in my view - rather his testimony right now.

As we saw with Burgess, the parties have broad ambit to impeach credibility on cross examination. So if Brennan could show Lucky knew about the threats then it could go to credibility of his testimony as it creates a suggestion of influence by a 3rd party that the jury could consider. That much is not controversial.

The problem is that Brennan must establish foundation for it. i.e Lucky claimed not to know about the threats.

IMO

 

[tara83]

That isn't what matters in my view - rather his testimony right now.

As we saw with Burgess, the parties have broad ambit to impeach credibility on cross examination. So if Brennan could show Lucky knew about the threats then it could go to credibility of his testimony as it creates a suggestion of influence by a 3rd party that the jury could consider. That much is not controversial.

The problem is that Brennan must establish foundation for it. i.e Lucky claimed not to know about the threats.

IMO

But Lucky had already told about this before any threats. So saying he made it up because he was scared has zero basis. JMO

 

[Snoods]

Not only did JenMc want to split up Karen from John, but split Karen from her friend KK. I think this is clue in the mystery. Why didn't Jen invite KK??

Yes, there were some strange dynamics flying around between the Canton crew, weren’t there?Jen put her arm around Karen in a possessive way and blew Karina off. Were Karina and her husband really not invited?

Edit: I watched it again and no they weren’t specifically invited.

 

[rescuemom]

Brennen objects during KK testimony of video judge sustains and Brennen says that he objects to this whole line of questioning judge says yeah and Yanetti says that he will bear that in mind. Then HB objects again and judge says something directly to Yanetti. cant understand her. Watch it….

 

[rescuemom]

When they were leaving Karina said JMC told Karen “You’re coming with me” in an off putting way, but Karen went with JOK. JMC wanted them to go to the Alberts.

She said Karen did not seem drunk at all and she was not worried at all about her driving.

Karina is done, Brennan has no cross.

Of course he doesn’t unless he wants to bring out something KK did you know 6 or 20 years ago that would embarrass her?