MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #32 Retrial

[lohrtabitha]

The invitation was open to anyone there according to their testimony. Kk said she told her husband no we are going home. During T1.

Oh how I wish Karen would have followed her gut and talked John into going home. She didn't want to go to 34 Fairview. However, she would do anything for JOK and that is why she took him there.

 

[mzmarymac]

For those that are wondering how a community could possibly pull together to cover up a murder? Please. I grew up in just this kind of community. But think more midwest and more run by the actual mafia. Everyone knew everyone and if you were not in that circle, you were worthless. Need a cop? Good luck. Want to open a business? Gotta grease some palms. Have a complaint? Tell the mayor. Oh...wait...he went to prison.

 

[CurlyQ]

For those that are wondering how a community could possibly pull together to cover up a murder? Please. I grew up in just this kind of community. But think more midwest and more run by the actual mafia. Everyone knew everyone and if you were not in that circle, you were worthless. Need a cop? Good luck. Want to open a business? Gotta grease some palms. Have a complaint? Tell the mayor. Oh...wait...he went to prison.

Must be here in good 'ole Illinois?

 

[missy1974]

That isn't what matters in my view - rather his testimony right now.

As we saw with Burgess, the parties have broad ambit to impeach credibility on cross examination. So if Brennan could show Lucky knew about the threats then it could go to credibility of his testimony as it creates a suggestion of influence by a 3rd party that the jury could consider. That much is not controversial.

The problem is that Brennan must establish foundation for it. i.e Lucky claimed not to know about the threats.

IMO

What exactly is the CW or you saying was the threat or threats? I really don't know.

I read the article or blogpost that TB put online on June 5, 2023. TB clearly had no clue that Lucky had already spoken to the defense PI and possibly already the FBI at that point.

But what exactly was he threatened with?

 

[chckmate22]

Must be here in good 'ole Illinois?

 

[mrjitty]

What exactly is the CW or you saying was the threat or threats? I really don't know.

I read the article or blogpost that TB put online on June 5, 2023. TB clearly had no clue that Lucky had already spoken to the defense PI and possibly already the FBI at that point.

But what exactly was he threatened with?

Remember 2 days ago AJ was allowed to impeach the credibility of Devers on the basis that the Police Commission told her to "do the right thing" - thus calling in to question whether her testimony might have been coerced.

There is nothing unusual about this similar situation, given public threats were made to a witness. However Brennan does need a foundation to get it in.

To me it is completely bizarre that the blogger would have attacked a defence witness in this way, and the jury ought to know of it. We are not talking about the bloggers motivations or knowledge here - but rather what the witness knew.

IMO/MOO

 

[sunshineray]

She also told the FBI of her memory in August 2023, before any video came out or a single news article on it. Also before she spoke to the defense (last April 2024). So there’s literally no way she had heard it from a secondhand source, IMO

She did correct what she said after realizing she left work hours before the Lexus was brought in and that time frame has not been disputed by the defense. Why, if that information was incorrect?

 

[sunshineray]

It’s refreshing to see and hear a police officer act like a respectful human being with concise answers.

His recollection is better today than it was when he wrote his report. Hummm, interesting.

 

[tara83]

Remember 2 days ago AJ was allowed to impeach the credibility of Devers on the basis that the Police Commission told her to "do the right thing" - thus calling in to question whether her testimony might have been coerced.

There is nothing unusual about this similar situation, given public threats were made to a witness. However Brennan does need a foundation to get it in.

To me it is completely bizarre that the blogger would have attacked a defence witness in this way, and the jury ought to know of it. We are not talking about the bloggers motivations or knowledge here - but rather what the witness knew.

IMO/MOO

Again you keep ignoring the proven fact that Lucky had come out with this info before TB's behavior.

 

[Tortoise]

dbm

 

[missy1974]

Remember 2 days ago AJ was allowed to impeach the credibility of Devers on the basis that the Police Commission told her to "do the right thing" - thus calling in to question whether her testimony might have been coerced.

There is nothing unusual about this similar situation, given public threats were made to a witness. However Brennan does need a foundation to get it in.

To me it is completely bizarre that the blogger would have attacked a defence witness in this way, and the jury ought to know of it. We are not talking about the bloggers motivations or knowledge here - but rather what the witness knew.

IMO/MOO

ok wait... so "do the right thing" is the threat?

The difference to me is:

That Lucky did not change the substance of anything he said (the timing of each pass is irrelevant to me) and he had ALREADY done the right thing, the blogger had no clue about it and 'assumed' he was NOT doing the right thing because of his ties to the Alberts.

Dever wasn't being pressured to make a statement, she had ALREADY made a statement to the FBI and then changed it AFTER her meeting with the Commissioner and was told to "do the right thing". And actually she didn't even really change it, she acknowledge that she said it but it was now a "false memory".

Commissioner (her boss) to Dever - Do the right thing = can mean change your statement, it was a false memory, blue wall, don't implicate fellow LEO's, etc. IMO

Blogger/media/whatever you want to call TB to Lucky - Do the right thing = blogger has no clue I have already given statements and I don't see this as a threat because I already have done the right thing and I have no obligation to tell a blogger that, or anyone for that matter. IMO

IF that testimony was to try to get at Lucky's credibility, it apparently did NOT work for me LOL It clicked for me right away that he spoke with someone and gave a statement before the article was posted, which, Yanetti made very clear in his re-direct.

 

[Dawookie]

While it's interesting to wonder why HB agreed to take this job, I'm more curious to know why the Norfolk DA chose him to be a special prosecutor.

Probably to have someone who isn't part of the office to blame when this trial doesn't go their way again

 

[Warwick7]

Karen Read deserves to be found guilty of DUI for sure! But she wasn't even charged with that because, well, Proctor and the rest of the gangsters thought it was an open and shut case for M2 because you know, she's a whack job.
MOO

Every cop that left Waterfall then should be found guilty of DUI

 

[waldojabba]

Actually, I don't think this is true. I just read the article (quickly) that TB did in June of 2023. At that point, Lucky had already spoke to the defense PI and I am not sure when he talked to the FBI or MSP. He said in testimony that he spoke to the defense PI 2 weeks after Jan 29th 2022.

Now, that said, TB might want to take credit for it, if that is what he has said (I don't know?), but it was not him lol I think that at the time, by the looks of that article, TB didn't think that Lucky had talked to anyone, when in fact he had, just because TB didn't know about it, didn't make it a fact

I am unsure if I can link the article. But TB just posted a link to the article Brennan mentioned.

This is the content of one of the vids, paraphrasing....
Lucky, Mr Lucky.. You know who you are and you know what you did and you know what you're hiding and what you said.... And I know s**t and I know all about you and you're going to be seeing me Sir... and I highly recommend you reach out to me Sir before I put all this out there... you've been talking to Brian Albert ...3 calls... I know that for fact

He makes my skin crawl seeing him on the live court stream now

Lucky spoke to the PI long before this and his story is consistent.
This yada yada by TB as resurrected by Brennan is just a distraction
And TB is just a distraction too at this point
its just another one of Brennans attempts to muddy the waters.
Its the same old thing with each defense witness on cross
He has a pattern/formula
He cannot attack the actual testimony
So he makes chaos
"So if you said X before you are now changing your story? "
Seventy percent ish of the time his X is a big fat lie like what he did to Dr Russell about the autopsy report. He had to recant and say she did not say that.

And, did you even listen to Lucky ?
This was happening when his wife died - he was not online looking for what people were saying.

I have seen things on twitter calling Lucky a snitch and a rat, pictures etc even just this weekend. So looks like there is plenty of flavor out there. Its a cess pool.

Thankfully Lucky does not over react, even if Mr Brennan would like him to.

JMO

 

[arielilane]

After testimony its clear of public attacking and pressure toward this witness. Blogger is facing several felony WI charges concerning this case, yet, he sits right there with media in the courtroom. Unbelievable.

Defense witness KK proved KR invited to 34F after party.


Just not seeing a "more robust” case.

https://www.usnews.com/news/us/arti...d-in-death-of-boston-police-officer-boyfriend

What's next for defense
The trial could easily continue several more weeks as Read's defense team makes its case. Read has said the defense's case will be “more robust” this time.

 

[Warwick7]

IIRC, the CW never interviewed Lucky. Turtleboy/Kearney was the one who found him and interviewed him about what he saw that morning.

This is true

 

[arielilane]

A new court filing by Karen Read’s defense team could indicate she will not testify in her retrial for the January 2022 death of her boyfriend, Boston police officer John O’Keefe, as questions swirl about whether she will take the stand in the case’s waning days.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/06/04/us/karen-read-testify-trial

The filing, released by the court Wednesday morning, is not final, and it does not prevent the defense from ultimately putting Read on the stand.

 

[lohrtabitha]

A new court filing by Karen Read’s defense team could indicate she will not testify in her retrial for the January 2022 death of her boyfriend, Boston police officer John O’Keefe, as questions swirl about whether she will take the stand in the case’s waning days.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/06/04/us/karen-read-testify-trial

The filing, released by the court Wednesday morning, is not final, and it does not prevent the defense from ultimately putting Read on the stand.

So what? Most defendants never testify. No news here.

 

[waldojabba]

While it's interesting to wonder why HB agreed to take this job, I'm more curious to know why the Norfolk DA chose him to be a special prosecutor.

Why did DA Morrissey hire Brennan :
Because Hank Brennan is willing to do whatever it takes - no matter how under handed to win.
He is Morrissey's kind of guy.
JMO

 

[keek]

Why did DA Morrissey hire Brennan :
Because Hank Brennan is willing to do whatever it takes - no matter how under handed to win.
He is Morrissey's kind of guy.
JMO

Exactly he is. IMO