MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #32 Retrial

[PamCake]

I was on some good drugs for the first trial LOL Listening to Brennan.... I wish I was on them this year I had to look up who Karina is... her and her husband testified last year, they were out drinking at the Waterfall with the others that night, that is all I really know.

Brennan wasn't the prosecution lawyer in Trial 1. Adam Lally was the lead. Now Lally has been demoted to second seat.

 

[keek]

She went from night work to days! Very coveted shift to work days in a 24/7 work environment! Some rookies don’t see that for many many years!

NO, and they so want it due to family, young kids etc. She has none of that. IMO

 

[MerlinFalcon]

I find it interesting that somehow, someway, TB won the pool lottery to be able to be there today. I have my opinions as to how that may have been rigged, because he's never been able to get in for weeks. I think the CW wanted him there because they planned to bring him up in the testimony and have a visual for the jury.

Personally, TB has been the impetus for the HUGE interest in this case from the onset, but his attitude doesn't help her case at all. I wish he'd just stay away.

JMO

I’m riveted to this trial but will be happy never to hear or see TB, HB or the judge ever again. I can’t believe how much I miss Lally!

 

[lohrtabitha]

She went from night work to days! Very coveted shift to work days in a 24/7 work environment! Some rookies don’t see that for many many years!

Oooh strange indeed. Good catch.

 

[missy1974]

Brennan wasn't the prosecution lawyer in Trial 1. Adam Lally was the lead. Now Lally has been demoted to second seat.

The drugs really really helped last year with Lally and his monotone voice and clearing his throat LOL

 

[keek]

Exactly. This is why I just do not understand how some people are in denial about the very real possibility that a group of people (a super tight knit family, no less) could conspire to cover up a murder. Maybe I'm just cynical but I have no problem thinking some people are just rotten to the core, have no moral code and think nothing of throwing someone else under the bus to save their own (or a relative's skin). Blood is most definitely thicker than water in some families, dangerously so.

Exactly what this is and who they are. You said it very clearly. There are the core players, B.Albert and wife, Jmc and husband, Brian Higgins and the one other not allowed to be spoken about or part of the trial per judge. Then, there are the ones threatened in some way to shut it and forget it, those 'kids'. JMc has the daughter who knows and had to testify first trial. The whole thing dominoed due to proctor, berko and most likely Kevin Albert of course, cop brother. THEN, the underlings such as EMT's , the dever person all had to keep mum due to their JOBS. It is not that big and you see they HAVE all kept mum and lied on the witness stand 2nd time around and or to the grand jury and FBI. SOOO BIZARRE. There is absolutely no moral core in the main players, there is lack of integrity and fear of their job loss in the others. IMO

 

[Malleeboy]

Is Karen Read "likeable"?
JOK liked her.

His kids seemed fond of her too. Prior to this

 

[waldojabba]

Not sure about this.

For what it's worth, I I know someone who has worked with the commissioner in the past and says he'd never push anyone on staff to lie. If that's the case, "do the right thing" really does mean "tell the truth".

She's apparently connected to more Canton players here than just Sara Levenson. And she doesn't come off as very bright. Quite the opposite. She may have backtracked from her original story for reasons that have nothing to do with the Boston PD.

The Boston PD has been completely silent about the case against Read from the beginning. Which is unusual when you consider the murder victim here was a member of the force.

I appreciate you sharing your friends perspective on the Commish.

I will say, having spent many years on the immed periphery of the executive suites of many corporations ( direct report)- none of the top dogs are ever squeaky clean. It pains me to say it.
I hate to know it/ but there it is. So IME/IMO.

Every situation is different of course but its always about protecting the greater good of the corporation/ or in this case the shield all the while while keeping the appearance that your hands are clean.

If the commish felt he did not need to get involved and told her genuinely to tell the truth then
fine. I am wildly skeptical though bc then why the need for top guy to get involved and to call her in. The we support you message could have easily come from her boss. He could even say we have the support all the way to the top. It doesn't track for me.

But lets say thats the case :
It would seem that somebody is telling her the opposite bc she boldly and defiantly lied on the stand for all the world to see.
She's a Canton girl and probably drank with the LE guys in Canton after work and they helped her etc. so there's a loyalty. Maybe even "dated" a few. Has LE in her family? So maybe that's it. There is that thin blueline code - retract or ... she won't see it coming but they will ruin her, no cop will ever have her back , respond to her calls for back up etc. That certainly happens in life. Or she just wants to protect them?

She was such a mess up on that stand I am going with somebody made her believe her job depended on it. She, probably like all of us, needs the income - maybe she and the BF bought a house or whatever

In this case there is a seemingly desperate need to win - DA hires a special prosecutor. What's special about this case? ( Sure the deceased is a Boston cop) But Karen's not a danger to the community. There is not outrage and people protesting on the street for her conviction. Quite the opposite.

What's going on ? Why so much money being thrown at this case? Why this mockery of a trial that is being broadcast to the world ? For what reason ?

JMO

 

[keek]

I appreciate you sharing your friends perspective on the Commish.

I will say, having spent many years on the immed periphery of the executive suites of many corporations ( direct report)- none of the top dogs are ever squeaky clean. It pains me to say it.
I hate to know it/ but there it is. So IME/IMO.

Every situation is different of course but its always about protecting the greater good of the corporation/ or in this case the shield all the while while keeping the appearance that your hands are clean.

If the commish felt he did not need to get involved and told her genuinely to tell the truth then
fine. I am wildly skeptical though bc then why the need for top guy to get involved and to call her in. The we support you message could have easily come from her boss. He could even say we have the support all the way to the top. It doesn't track for me.

But lets say thats the case :
It would seem that somebody is telling her the opposite bc she boldly and defiantly lied on the stand for all the world to see.
She's a Canton girl and probably drank with the LE guys in Canton after work and they helped her etc. so there's a loyalty. Maybe even "dated" a few. Has LE in her family? So maybe that's it. There is that thin blueline code - retract or ... she won't see it coming but they will ruin her, no cop will ever have her back , respond to her calls for back up etc. That certainly happens in life. Or she just wants to protect them?

She was such a mess up on that stand I am going with somebody made her believe her job depended on it. She, probably like all of us, needs the income - maybe she and the BF bought a house or whatever

In this case there is a seemingly desperate need to win - DA hires a special prosecutor. What's special about this case? ( Sure the deceased is a Boston cop) But Karen's not a danger to the community. There is not outrage and people protesting on the street for her conviction. Quite the opposite.

What's going on ? Why so much money being thrown at this case? Why this mockery of a trial that is being broadcast to the world ? For what reason ?

JMO

I posted similar /same views. WHY so much money is right. Someone said that maye there is a DA special fund to pay for atty's for these people. JenMc's is hugely a high priced atty. Huge and works very public homicide cases.. THIS is a massive tell if someone is paying HIM for THIS. She is only supposed to have been the beloved friend of JOK, went with KR to the scene and called 911. End of, right?? IMO

 

[kuromiiiilove]

I find it interesting that somehow, someway, TB won the pool lottery to be able to be there today. I have my opinions as to how that may have been rigged, because he's never been able to get in for weeks. I think the CW wanted him there because they planned to bring him up in the testimony and have a visual for the jury.

Personally, TB has been the impetus for the HUGE interest in this case from the onset, but his attitude doesn't help her case at all. I wish he'd just stay away.

JMO

Jess Machado (another reporter who is covering KR and has been in the press pool) has been tracking the ‘random’ press list week by week… let’s just say it doesn’t seem very random! MOO

 

[keek]

She was thriving on the 'drama' of middle aged BH who told BA then the 'family' grapevine, oohhh. because IT was about JOK and KR. Middle aged, most have teen kids, sports (which they did, some) love to socialize with the drinks, going out, see and be seen, all of that. Jen Mc was the HS. gossip queen here. She could not care less about Brian Higgins, but she def loved the 'drama' of it with KR and JOK. To me it was very upsetting to see her try to take KR away with her and when KR asked about it, JMc said, it's a surprise! Why do I feel a bit terrified? The unknown only to KR at that moment, but JMc knew well. All at the time BH and the 'boys' were hoping to goad JOK over to the house based on more drinks they thought he might bite. IMO

Oh lightbulb moment. If JenMc was planning on bringing KR to the house, then JOK was sure to follow, riding with his killers unknowingly. This was discussed at the Waterfall somehow and discreetly amongst them, texts.. IMO

 

[Malleeboy]

I have no idea why the defense puts this guy on the stand. He's awful. Even if you believe his testimony, you have to then think all the electronic data is a lie... all of it... along with just about every witness.

Then, you have to believe JO was attacked inside the house. The murderers let him remain wounded for hours without aid. Then, decided the best thing to do was drag him out into the front yard to die in the snow.

That's a pretty heavy lift even for the most devoted "KR is innocent/not guity" disciples.

Hmmm

Reasonable doubt, Defence doesn't have to prove where JOK was, just that he was not where the Prosecution must have him. He is an utterly disinterested party.

 

[keek]

Jess Machado (another reporter who is covering KR and has been in the press pool) has been tracking the ‘random’ press list week by week… let’s just say it doesn’t seem very random! MOO

He def was brought in and camera zoomed on purpose. (I'm thinking Brennan pressed a 100 dollar bill to the camera man for that, haha) IMO

 

[Dawookie]

I appreciate you sharing your friends perspective on the Commish.

I will say, having spent many years on the immed periphery of the executive suites of many corporations ( direct report)- none of the top dogs are ever squeaky clean. It pains me to say it.
I hate to know it/ but there it is. So IME/IMO.

Every situation is different of course but its always about protecting the greater good of the corporation/ or in this case the shield all the while while keeping the appearance that your hands are clean.

If the commish felt he did not need to get involved and told her genuinely to tell the truth then
fine. I am wildly skeptical though bc then why the need for top guy to get involved and to call her in. The we support you message could have easily come from her boss. He could even say we have the support all the way to the top. It doesn't track for me.

But lets say thats the case :
It would seem that somebody is telling her the opposite bc she boldly and defiantly lied on the stand for all the world to see.
She's a Canton girl and probably drank with the LE guys in Canton after work and they helped her etc. so there's a loyalty. Maybe even "dated" a few. Has LE in her family? So maybe that's it. There is that thin blueline code - retract or ... she won't see it coming but they will ruin her, no cop will ever have her back , respond to her calls for back up etc. That certainly happens in life. Or she just wants to protect them?

She was such a mess up on that stand I am going with somebody made her believe her job depended on it. She, probably like all of us, needs the income - maybe she and the BF bought a house or whatever

In this case there is a seemingly desperate need to win - DA hires a special prosecutor. What's special about this case? ( Sure the deceased is a Boston cop) But Karen's not a danger to the community. There is not outrage and people protesting on the street for her conviction. Quite the opposite.

What's going on ? Why so much money being thrown at this case? Why this mockery of a trial that is being broadcast to the world ? For what reason ?

JMO

IMO It's because they thought they had a slam dunk case that got blown out of the water because it wasn't a slam dunk, piss poor investigation and bad/dirty cop/s. Then add in all the federal investigation stuff coming out as well including some of the same people being involved with the Sandra Birchmore case and it's easy to see why they are desperate to win this case. They want to win so that people will maybe somehow change their mind about how bungled the case was, how shoddy the investigation, how bad Proctor is as a person and a cop and how weakof a case it actually is. Basically forget all the bad stuff and how weak it was because we got a conviction still

 

[waldojabba]

She went from night work to days! Very coveted shift to work days in a 24/7 work environment! Some rookies don’t see that for many many years!

IMO it was most likely a lateral move title wise since she said on the stand she held the position of a patrolman in both places. But yes days in Boston which is coveted. Did she mention what precinct she covered? That could play in to it.

There does appear to be a salary bump and then it appears that she also earned substantial overtime in Boston. I am pretty sure to be a Boston cop you have to live in the Boston limits so the bump would help with cost of living for a new place if needed

Public salary info links below

JMO

Boston salary database: See which city employees made the most in 2024

Eight city of Boston employees made more than $500,000 last year.

www.masslive.com

Town of Canton Salaries - Massachusetts | GovSalaries

Salary information and list of employees for Town of Canton. Salary database for year 2024

govsalaries.com

 

[themonk]

True to a degree, but friends lying for each other happens all the time. It doesn't have to be a grand conspiracy to realize that lies are being told.

In this case it's townie omerta

 

[themonk]

The drugs really really helped last year with Lally and his monotone voice and clearing his throat LOL

Tell me more about these drugs

 

[Seattle1]

I still can't wrap my head around Dever's "a wildly long time" especially since she wouldn't answer AJ's question on screens that are set up in the dispatcher room.
She had to have seen it on the Sally Port security screen in the dispatch room.
It's not like she said she saw BH and Berwoitz on the screen and that was that.
Not even that she saw the 2 guys and they were in there for a long time.
She said "wildly" and how she used the word would mean a ridiculous or extreme degree so what she did see certainly left an impression.
Why didn't the defense try and get a security video and timestamp of her leaving the Canton Police station on 1-29-22?
I wouldn't trust the Canton Police with punch-in /punch-out time-clocks even if they had them.

So it comes down to Dever's word that she left work before the Lexus arrived in the Sally Port? LOL

IMO

If Canton Sallyport doors can ONLY be opened by dispatch computers-- were those garage doors opened by Kelly Dever working dispatch on January 29, 2022? Does she recall the time when opening and closing the bay doors when KR's Lexus LX570 was driven in?

Noting Gallagher's testimony below: About YT minute marker 37:00

Karen Read Trial (Pt 14) | Lt. Paul Gallagher

 

[KSwizzle]

Why wouldn't he come out of the house, he's a cop, he's a first responder. Didn't Albert not go to the funeral?

Is the defense going to call Higgins? I am a bit shocked they're not going to bring in the driving to work drunk when not scheduled, staying there a long time and eventually disposing of his cell phone on a military base.

Must be baffling to be a juror in this trial especially with all the references to the first trial, I'd be thinking, there must be a reason she wasn't convicted the first time

moo

 

[LittleSeaTree]

<modsnip - namecalling>

I don’t believe she said she left at 3:45pm. I believe she said she received evidence that her shift ended at that time. A play on words IMO because she easily could have still been there after the SUV arrived. MOO

Wild.