MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #32 Retrial

[HarmonyE.]

And it's not just Lucky.

Ricky D'Antuono. Ryan Nagel. Heather Maxon. Brian Higgins. Jen McCabe. Matt McCabe. Sara Levinson. Julie Nagel. Caitlyn Albert. Tristan Morris.

All of these people drove or walked and drove past the front lawn and should have seen a large human on the front lawn. They didn't because he wasn't there.

 

[Warwick7]

Wowzers!!!!!

https://twitter.com/x/status/1930304705512587542

 

[justwannahelp]

That isn't what matters in my view - rather his testimony right now.

As we saw with Burgess, the parties have broad ambit to impeach credibility on cross examination. So if Brennan could show Lucky knew about the threats then it could go to credibility of his testimony as it creates a suggestion of influence by a 3rd party that the jury could consider. That much is not controversial.

The problem is that Brennan must establish foundation for it. i.e Lucky claimed not to know about the threats.

IMO

Burgess was called as an expert, but he’s NOT an expert. He’s a proven liar. It would be like calling a biology TEACHER as a witness in a medical malpractice trial b/c the teacher CLAIMED he or she was a board certified neurosurgeon! (No offense to teachers. We NEED and i appreciate good ones.)

Dever was a sworn police officer who LITERALLY told the FBI she saw them in the Sally port on video for a “wildly long amount of time”. THEN while under oath during trial, she pretended to not even know if there’s a camera in the sallyport & to not know where the screens are in the dispatch room where she worked the entire shift that morning plus overtime. Her meeting with the commissioner adds fuel to the fire, but even if she had never met with the commissioner, she would STILL be a proven liar.

Lucky is a resident of the area who plowed snow, and talked to a pro Karen blogger. So what? Lucky knows he didn’t see OJO on the lawn, yet the CW is charging someone with hitting and killing OJO with her car a couple hours prior to his shift. (He’d be betraying truth and his own sight if he wasn’t pro Karen.)

I don’t care if people are “biased” as long as they tell the truth, and as long as they aren’t detectives in the case! (Even then you can have an opinion about what happened, but you can’t make DISGUSTING remarks about the defendant.)

Oh and jurors of course must go in blindly without bias as well.

Berger, McCabe, & Dever are PROVEN liars.

And Higgins and Albert are too because they threw their phones away when they knew they weren’t supposed to. Even if no one told them not to— COME ON! There’s a murder investigation and they’re LE. They knew better. & ANYONE who throws their phone away at a military base is HIDING something.

Notice 4 of the above PROVEN liars are law enforcement in the area. This should have NEVER gone to trial. It’s mind blowing.

Oh and witnesses called by the CW said they never saw a body. Lucky is just backing up their claims. NO ONE WAS HIT BY KR AND LEFT ON THE LAWN TO DIE. Period. It’s IMPOSSIBLE

 

[waldojabba]

Unless they are idiots, I don’t see how they would need an actual instruction on this issue. Just saying.

IMO ...there is good chance there at least one or two less bright than others ...so I would like this motion approved by the Judge for a change. She denied one of the defense motions today just before the cameras went off.
I am pretty sure it was the motion asking again for the guy they wanted to come in and explain proper police procedure. Someone - maybe on here mentioned/suggested perhaps they could use Barios for that.

So I guess all that's left is ARCCA - For me they were IT last time around so I hope for the same this time.

Being on these threads all this time we know so much that the jurors know

I swore I would not get invested in this a second time but here I am.

I am expecting a hung/mistrial but will be really happy with a Not Guilty because BARD
JMO

 

[Forest_Wood]

Judge Cannone gets to decide but the law favours the Defence, so they probably will get it

And then what happens if defense gets it? What then?

 

[jepop]

That isn't what matters in my view - rather his testimony right now.

As we saw with Burgess, the parties have broad ambit to impeach credibility on cross examination. So if Brennan could show Lucky knew about the threats then it could go to credibility of his testimony as it creates a suggestion of influence by a 3rd party that the jury could consider. That much is not controversial.

The problem is that Brennan must establish foundation for it. i.e Lucky claimed not to know about the threats.

IMO

If so, I hope Brennan fails to establish that foundation. It has nothing to do with the relevant facts of Lucky's testimony and is a distraction tactic. Jmo

 

[jepop]

Who makes the decision? Cannone?

Who else

 

[justwannahelp]

So I’m in line at a drive thru

Was looking for my debit card after ordering. Then looked up and immediately noticed the bronco in front of me has a cracked right taillight. Nothing i was looking for. It just stuck out. No other damage to the vehicle.

I truly believe the eye and mind notice things out of place. The kids/young adults in the vehicle parked behind Karen absolutely would have noticed. At LEAST one of them. & they certainly would have noticed a body on the lawn IMO

 

[DropthePuck]

I think they each get an hour?

Closing arguments are an hour (though I'm hoping the judge will change her mind and allow them longer). Prosecution rebuttal is a different thing. Since the prosecution has the burden of proof, they get one more chance before closing arguments to undermine the credibility of the defense's case.

 

[DropthePuck]

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I could be way off, but since the defense has changed their strategy for this trial, i.e. focusing more on establishing reasonable doubt instead of the third party culpability defense, there is no need to bring in all of the McAlberts, Higgins, etc that were called in Season 1. JMO.

 

[AngTxGal]

Exactly. This is why I just do not understand how some people are in denial about the very real possibility that a group of people (a super tight knit family, no less) could conspire to cover up a murder. Maybe I'm just cynical but I have no problem thinking some people are just rotten to the core, have no moral code and think nothing of throwing someone else under the bus to save their own (or a relative's skin). Blood is most definitely thicker than water in some families, dangerously so.

A person can be resistant to such a widespread conspiracy and not be in denial or delusional.

I cannot think of a single true crime case where a conspiracy of educated professional normal people have included so many members of families and friends. And without a motive for murder.

At least it has to be these, all committing to keep to lies for life- or else
Multiple families and their grown children
Grown childhood friends in 20’s
Police officers of various ranks, their spouses and grown children
Special agents
Investigators
And maybe also These??
EMTs
Forensics ‘experts’
Medical examiner
District attorney, ADA, Lead Prosecutor

Seems unsustainable, like the mafia threats of the 1930s- they have to be carried out. In 2025 disappearance and coverups aren’t as easy
Yeah I’m not naive- crooks are everywhere.
Still I’m watching these people on the stand- I’m not seeing career criminals

Seems like a fluke accident- so I’m still seeking a reasonable explanation- for JOs family

JMO

 

[AngTxGal]

Based on what I’ve watched of the trials it appears some of what the Defense is implying isn’t even possible.
The ‘motive’ suggested by Waterfall innuendos seems to be BH jealousy for KR against JO, and a plan to meet at BAs home to settle.

I contest- BH was not ever at 34 Fairview at the same time as KR. Here is why…

BH has a jeep with a plow, described as being parked in front of the mailbox
BH is described as having arrived near the time of BA and NA
KR didn’t mention seeing BH’s jeep
None of BAJrs friends mention seeing BH’s jeep, but saw KR’s car and RNagel truck

No one leaving describes having to ask BH to move his jeep with plow so they could get out.

Seems to me- BH left before KR arrived at 34 Fairview.

Just my observations

 

[AngTxGal]

If Canton Sallyport doors can ONLY be opened by dispatch computers-- were those garage doors opened by Kelly Dever working dispatch on January 29, 2022? Does she recall the time when opening and closing the bay doors when KR's Lexus LX570 was driven in?

Noting Gallagher's testimony below: About YT minute marker 37:00

Karen Read Trial (Pt 14) | Lt. Paul Gallagher

Yes!! I had this same question, Gallagher describes the doors as having to be opened by someone. If Devers was working desk, was it her job to open those doors?
How hard is it to look up work schedules and logs and paystubs to find out if her work hours overlap the time when KRs car was brought to the sally port?

If it wasn’t Devers- who opened the doors on that day?

JMO

 

[Malleeboy]

I am expecting a hung/mistrial but will be really happy with a Not Guilty because BARD
JMO

I am expecting a hung jury on at least one account.
For me there is a number of reasonable doubt issues with the cw case.
However just as there are intractable poster on this forum who just see so much in a utterly different light to me, there is a good chance there is at least one on the jury. They will give way on Murder 2, but will remain immoveable on one of the other charges.

 

[Hazelnutty]

There are the core players, B.Albert and wife, Jmc and husband, Brian Higgins and the one other not allowed to be spoken about or part of the trial per judge.

IMO

SBM

I had NO idea that there is a mystery person here! How interesting

 

[Malleeboy]

Based on what I’ve watched of the trials it appears some of what the Defense is implying isn’t even possible.
The ‘motive’ suggested by Waterfall innuendos seems to be BH jealousy for KR against JO, and a plan to meet at BAs home to settle.

I contest- BH was not ever at 34 Fairview at the same time as KR. Here is why…

BH has a jeep with a plow, described as being parked in front of the mailbox
BH is described as having arrived near the time of BA and NA
KR didn’t mention seeing BH’s jeep
None of BAJrs friends mention seeing BH’s jeep, but saw KR’s car and RNagel truck

No one leaving describes having to ask BH to move his jeep with plow so they could get out.

Seems to me- BH left before KR arrived at 34 Fairview.

Just my observations

Brian Albert made a point to describe how Higgins moved his white jeep with a plow out of the driveway and into the street. Jen and Matt McCabe swore in testimony that they saw the white jeep parked next to the mailbox.
But everyone in the Nagel car testified to parking right behind Karen, where the jeep would have been. And no one else testified to seeing it.

Brian Higgins left 34 Fairview Road (Brian Albert's home) around 1:30 a.m. to drive to the Canton Police Department. He stated he was going to do "administrative paperwork".

No one knows where Higgins jeep with snow plough was. Prosecution needs it out of the way but Defence has testimony from prosecution witness in this trial saying it was there (Jen Mccabe)

If Jeep is there, the backup movement in KR car would lead to a collision with it.

Maybe something the prosecution should have cleared up to remove doubt, but Brennan's insistence in not calling BH, has left another doubt out there. Maybe he moved it somewhere else, but a maybe with this information is a doubt that the collision could have occurred based on a testimony by a prosecution witness, which the prosecution has not provided a clear solution to. (Maybe it comes in rebuttal, I feel like rebuttal is going to be as much of the case as the case in chief, with Justice Cannone refusing the defence a surrebuttal.)

 

[missy1974]

Based on what I’ve watched of the trials it appears some of what the Defense is implying isn’t even possible.
The ‘motive’ suggested by Waterfall innuendos seems to be BH jealousy for KR against JO, and a plan to meet at BAs home to settle.

I contest- BH was not ever at 34 Fairview at the same time as KR. Here is why…

BH has a jeep with a plow, described as being parked in front of the mailbox
BH is described as having arrived near the time of BA and NA
KR didn’t mention seeing BH’s jeep
None of BAJrs friends mention seeing BH’s jeep, but saw KR’s car and RNagel truck

No one leaving describes having to ask BH to move his jeep with plow so they could get out.

Seems to me- BH left before KR arrived at 34 Fairview.

Just my observations

Why do you think they would lie about him being there if he wasn't? What would the ones in the house gain from lying if they didn't do anything wrong?

Even BH said he was there, but he hasn't testified this trial.

At this point in the trial, it's hard to distinguish between the trials, but most of these people, including BH, have not tesfified.

JMc- said the jeep was there
RN and his ex (can't remember her name) - didn't recall seeing the jeep.

They are the only one's that have testified about what they did or didn't see.

Now, the defense, did show the video of BH at CPD with his Jeep around 1:30am. So they should understand when the defense asks about a Jeep, they know what is being said or should. The defense not going all in or not being allowed to, on 3rd party culprit, has taken out a lot of what we know outside of this trial. So who does that help in the end? the defense? the CW?

 

[Malleeboy]

SBM

I had NO idea that there is a mystery person here! How interesting

Maybe an uninvolved minor.

 

[Hazelnutty]

Maybe an uninvolved minor.

Ok. That makes sense. Thanks!

 

[missy1974]

Brian Albert made a point to describe how Higgins moved his white jeep with a plow out of the driveway and into the street. Jen and Matt McCabe swore in testimony that they saw the white jeep parked next to the mailbox.
But everyone in the Nagel car testified to parking right behind Karen, where the jeep would have been. And no one else testified to seeing it.

RSBM

ahhh see, I didn't know BA testified to that, and the jury doesn't either. But if that is true, it's possible it was in the driveway, BA asked him to move it, he went outside and moved it...

Which now makes me go hmmm if he moved it around 12:30ish, after RN but before JMc looked out the door and saw both vehicles parked out front. That would be a small window of time if using the CW timeline.