MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #32 Retrial

[AngTxGal]

Working through scenarios, does this work?

JO steps out of KR’s car
KR thinks JO walked toward the door, instead he walks under tree to pee
KR waits
BA talks to BAJr and realizes Chloe hasn’t been let out. He lets her out in the back yard.
Chloe hears JO jumps the fence, he turns to defend himself and trips to fall and hits his head
Chloe has bitten JO on the arm- is startled that he is not moving
BA realizes Chloe is out of fence and calls her back inside.
JO comes to and crawls to sitting up, the head injury causes seizures and vomiting
JO has repeated seizures, phone comes out of wherever he put it while he peed, shoe and cap come off
JO never made it into the house, but he was nearer to it than where found- as per GPS
JO didn’t get a chance to tell KR to come inside
JO didn’t answer any texts from JMc or KR or BH

When JO is found the MP and attorney tells BA to stay inside.
The location and details of JOs arm tell MP that BA could be responsible.
MP chooses to takes actions to be sure BA is cleared- KR is blamed
BA is unaware of a coverup- he buys the story that KR is responsible.

At some point BA may have figured out Chloe could be involved and he could be pulled in.
So far MP has taken the fall.

None of the families, BH, investigators, EMTs, women friends, or adult children are involved, while some in the Albert house questioned when dog bites came forward as an option.

Now what do they do?


This seems as plausible as other scenarios, doesn’t it?
I just can’t reconcile body temperature- JO should be colder if he is outside 12:30-6AM

IMO

 

[Warwick7]

Based on what I’ve watched of the trials it appears some of what the Defense is implying isn’t even possible.
The ‘motive’ suggested by Waterfall innuendos seems to be BH jealousy for KR against JO, and a plan to meet at BAs home to settle.

I contest- BH was not ever at 34 Fairview at the same time as KR. Here is why…

BH has a jeep with a plow, described as being parked in front of the mailbox
BH is described as having arrived near the time of BA and NA
KR didn’t mention seeing BH’s jeep
None of BAJrs friends mention seeing BH’s jeep, but saw KR’s car and RNagel truck

No one leaving describes having to ask BH to move his jeep with plow so they could get out.

Seems to me- BH left before KR arrived at 34 Fairview.

Just my observations

BBM
Yes, BH was at 34F by his own admission. He texted John's cell phone saying “are you coming here."
Other witnesses clarified it was BH who sent it.

 

[Odeto BJ]

BBM
Yes, BH was at 34F by his own admission. He texted John's cell phone saying “are you coming here."
Other witnesses clarified it was BH who sent it.

Did BH not testify in T1 that he saw a tall, dark haired "stranger" enter the house at 34 Fairview? Or was that from an alternate source?

 

[AngTxGal]

Why do you think they would lie about him being there if he wasn't? What would the ones in the house gain from lying if they didn't do anything wrong?

Even BH said he was there, but he hasn't testified this trial.

At this point in the trial, it's hard to distinguish between the trials, but most of these people, including BH, have not tesfified.

JMc- said the jeep was there
RN and his ex (can't remember her name) - didn't recall seeing the jeep.

They are the only one's that have testified about what they did or didn't see.

Now, the defense, did show the video of BH at CPD with his Jeep around 1:30am. So they should understand when the defense asks about a Jeep, they know what is being said or should. The defense not going all in or not being allowed to, on 3rd party culprit, has taken out a lot of what we know outside of this trial. So who does that help in the end? the defense? the CW?

Yes, BH arrived with BA and NA and parked near the mailbox. Many T1 testimonies say this.

Not any clear evidence BH was there during the 8-ten min KR was parked out front??
KR doesn’t mention seeing BH jeep, or BH.
None of the young people mention seeing BH leave or his jeep.

It isn’t necessary for anyone to have lied about seeing BH. None of the young people T1 testimonies describe seeing BH leave.

I have zero agenda to help either side-

It is possible No One is guilty of harming JO resulting in his death.
But the DA decided not to investigate as an accident- to press charges.
Now both sides are adamant they are in the right and the other side is liars.

The crimes IMO are
-Proctor’s actions,
-the DA allowing this to go to trial,
- Canton Police for having tunnel vision and not investigating options other than KR,
- Human nature- willing to think anyone who doesn’t support the story I have must be a conspiring liar. This declaration of Us and Them is happening on both sides.

The forest is being lost in the trees, JO is not getting justice. JO may have not needed justice.

IMO

 

[Warwick7]

This was worst murder investigation in the history of the United States of America. Well, at least as far as I know...

From the very minute the first officers arrived on the scene to find JO's barely breathing, bleeding out on the lawn, receiving CPR from citizens body----there was not a single thing done by law enforcement that would be considered standard protocol during a possible homicide investigation. Not one.

● The crime scene was never even determined let alone taped off. This is how much the Canton Police Department respected the murder of a fellow police officer left to die in a blizzard.

● They didnt even retrieve your blood and place them in sterilized, standard receptacles, they’ll just knock on the door of a neighbor and ask for some solo cups and some paper bags from the grocery store.

● They won’t even bother to ask that same neighbor if they could look at his camera footage pointed directly at the body and the house where body was found. The case could have been solved within an hour of the same time frame in which he eagerly provided the cups and bags.

● Proctor, turns out he and his family are long time family friends with the family where the body was found. Automatic recusal from the case not even up for debate, right? Nope!

● Soooo he stays on the case and that afternoon briefly interviews three people from the house the night before. Labels them witnesses, never even considers them to be possible suspects.

● Allows their version of events to become his theory of the case within four hours of JO's death.

● Proctor, in M00 proceeds to lie about the time of the tow, (didnt know her Daddy had video ) takes the car to a department that was friendly rather than closer, he and his fellow criminals break the tail light in order to plant them at the scene in order to frame KR.

● Proctor purposely delays the only professional search team, in M00, waiting all day to search the scene for clues and conduct a proper investigation. They find basically nothing besides the planted evidence.

● Proctor begins discussing the details of this case in personal chain text message groups with other detectives and his bosses while also giving details to high school buddies and his sister.

● During an active murder investigation. Proctor was offered a gift by a family member of the people who were at the house when someone was murdered. He said no give it to my wife. A gift!

● He takes months and months to interview certain people in the house, you know witnesses. Some of them he took a year or eighteen months to interview.

● He deleted ring cam footage. Per RIchard Green testimony.

● He disrespected the coroner because he didn’t like her findings.

● In M00 he told about 17 provable, fact checked lies on the stand. His bosses were even worse.

● He omitted things on his report. AND He wished the suspect would kill herself.

● The very first rule you learn, separate the witnesses. He not only didn’t do that he allowed them to hear what was being said in the background.

● He conducted the testing on the car with an “expert” that didn’t know what the word physics meant.

● This trooper received his detailed information about body placement from a lieutenant that never even saw the body.

● He conducted all his tests from guessing where the body was lying when discovered.

● Proctor wrote up warrant for the cell phone companies to compel them to give only six hours of cell phone data instead of the 48.

● He did not record any of his interviews,

● Proctor never documented any chain of custody never with any of the evidence, including bloody clothing and the collected blood from the scene.

● Another thing was the reverse image video of the sallyport. The image was reversed but the timestamp was not.

Wow.....then Yuir has the audacity to testify that the investigation was done with honor and integrity.

Maybe we should get him that dictionary so he can look up integrity and honor.

 

[AngTxGal]

BBM
Yes, BH was at 34F by his own admission. He texted John's cell phone saying “are you coming here."
Other witnesses clarified it was BH who sent it.

I didn’t say BH wasn’t at 34 Fairview

I said I don’t see evidence BH was at 34 Fairview during the 10 min KR was parked out front

BH may have left when his text to JO went unanswered

IMO

 

[AngTxGal]

Did BH not testify in T1 that he saw a tall, dark haired "stranger" enter the house at 34 Fairview? Or was that from an alternate source?

If BH said he say a ‘tall dark haired stranger’ enter the house and that was supposed to be JO. Then it doesn’t make sense. He saw JO at the Waterfall, and he text JO so he had his number somehow.

IMO

 

[Warwick7]

I didn’t say BH wasn’t at 34 Fairview

I said I don’t see evidence BH was at 34 Fairview during the 10 min KR was parked out front

BH may have left when his text to JO went unanswered

IMO

No disrespect. But that makes no sense to me.

 

[AngTxGal]

No disrespect. But that makes no sense to me.

BH could have been at 34 Fairview during the 8-10 min KR was out front IF…

BH wasn’t engaging with the young people in the kitchen/dining area as they don’t mention engaging with him. They don’t know when he left

BH move his Jeep/Plow out of the drive to the mailbox, then moved it from the mailbox to a location where it could not be seen from the house windows and wasn’t in the way or seen by drivers coming and leaving the house- all before KR arrived.

IMO

 

[nightowl1975]

Working through scenarios, does this work?

JO steps out of KR’s car
KR thinks JO walked toward the door, instead he walks under tree to pee
KR waits
BA talks to BAJr and realizes Chloe hasn’t been let out. He lets her out in the back yard.
Chloe hears JO jumps the fence, he turns to defend himself and trips to fall and hits his head
Chloe is startled- JO is out
BA realizes Chloe is out of fence and calls her back inside.
JO comes to and crawls to sitting up, the head injury causes seizures and vomits
JO has repeated seizures, phone comes out of pocket, shoe and cap come off
JO never made it into the house, but he was near, didn’t get a chance to tell KR to come inside
JO didn’t answer any texts from JMc or KR

When JO is found the MP and attorney tells BA to stay inside.
The location and details of JOs arm tell MP that BA could be responsible.
MP chooses to takes actions to be sure BA is cleared- KR is blamed
BA is unaware of a coverup- he buys the story that KR is responsible.

At some point BA may have figured out Chloe could be involved and he could be pulled in.
So far MP has taken the fall.

None of the families, BH, investigators, EMTs, women friends, or adult children are involved, while some in the Albert house questioned when dog bites came forward as an option.

Now what do they do?


This seems as plausible as other scenarios, doesn’t it?

IMO

I’m sure there could be holes in this but your point remains. I do agree that multiple things could be true. There was not a plan to harm John. There was not a huge conspiracy to cover up a fight gone wrong. Maybe only one or two people initially did something truly wrong (like MP helped the evidence along, which he obviously can’t admit).

Things went from bad to worse as others started telling embellished stories or fibs thinking they didn’t want to look bad, maybe even truly thinking KR hit him initially, and once those initial lies happened, it’s too late to turn back.

I have NO doubt that NONE OF THEM expected it to EVER get this far. And I also have no doubt that it’s snowballed far beyond anything any of them ever imagined.

Regardless of what actually happened, it would be a travesty for KR to be found guilty of anything. Honestly, anything short of an acquittal is making a mockery of our entire legal and justice system. The US court system is supposed to be better than this.

 

[SteveS]

I think it's important for us to recognize that the def this time around is much more focused on showing that KR did NOT do it -- could not have, the evidence says something completely different - while being VERY non-specific as to a particular alternate scenario of what happened.

Re KR - each one of these kills the viability of the cw's case, and ALL have been shown to be true (in some of them, by BOTH the cw and def testimony)
1 Her vehicle could not have caused the injuries to JOK. [Some on this is still to come, compelling ARCCA testimony in T1 and still to be shared in T2]
2 His arm could not have caused the damage to the vehicle. [Some on this is still to come, compelling ARCCA testimony in T1 and still to be shared in T2]
3 His arm injuries were caused by a dog bite and his overall injuries (including arm) were NOT consistent with being from a vehicle.
4 Her taillight damage did not exist before the CW took possession of the vehicle, to allow the pieces that were eventually and gradually collected over WEEKS on the lawn to have been there that night.
5 There's evidence JOK must have gone inside the house.
6 No one saw JOK on the lawn, even though MANY passed by, until he was found the next morning.
7 The 1162 key cycle definitely must have happened much later when KR car was in possession of cw. [Some on this is still to come, compelling ARCCA testimony in T1 and still to be shared in T2]
8 The evidence that was supposedly collected was not (by LE norms) professionally logged, photographed, recorded, or preserved from tampering and contamination.

But if it's not KR, then who did it? We aren't sure. But we showed you the jury a BUNCH of jinky things done by the home owner(s), the lead investigator, others there that night, within the (supposed) evidence itself, and more. Stories keep changing. Evidence pointing in other directions gets buried, not investigated further. Key people in the case that have been cw witnesses including the lead investigator were hidden from you and not called to testify by the cw, and the law says you can draw negative inferences from that (obviously). It's not our job to figure out who killed JOK, but it definitely wasn't KR.

 

[AngTxGal]

RSBM

ahhh see, I didn't know BA testified to that, and the jury doesn't either. But if that is true, it's possible it was in the driveway, BA asked him to move it, he went outside and moved it...

Which now makes me go hmmm if he moved it around 12:30ish, after RN but before JMc looked out the door and saw both vehicles parked out front. That would be a small window of time if using the CW timeline.

So if BH was out moving his Jeep/plow… could he have

I’m sure there could be holes in this but your point remains. I do agree that multiple things could be true. There was not a plan to harm John. There was not a huge conspiracy to cover up a fight gone wrong. Maybe only one or two people initially did something truly wrong (like MP helped the evidence along, which he obviously can’t admit).

Things went from bad to worse as others started telling embellished stories or fibs thinking they didn’t want to look bad, maybe even truly thinking KR hit him initially, and once those initial lies happened, it’s too late to turn back.

I have NO doubt that NONE OF THEM expected it to EVER get this far. And I also have no doubt that it’s snowballed far beyond anything any of them ever imagined.

Regardless of what actually happened, it would be a travesty for KR to be found guilty of anything. Honestly, anything short of an acquittal is making a mockery of our entire legal and justice system. The US court system is supposed to be better than this.

Absolutely- and the Jeanie is out of the bottle… neither side can put it back in.
The families impacted by this case are well beyond the families of JO and KR
And the DA could have prevented this… investigated before choosing KR.
And LE could have been expected to actually investigate what happened to JO?

KR should be found Not Guilty- No doubt. And hopefully compensated for pain and suffering of the entire trial.

But now, if KR is found Not Guilty- JOs family will always believe they were denied justice.

The O’Keefes and the Reads will never be able to mourn the death of John O’Keefe together- that is pretty sad.

The community of Canton, Mass will never be the same.
Families have been brought into the public eye and crucified- and many likely did nothing.

The public can be like a lake of piranhas- flesh eating, unfair, accusatory, tribal, and get tunnel vision once they’ve chosen a side. Once over- they move on to the next case.

IMO

 

[AngTxGal]

I think it's important for us to recognize that the def this time around is much more focused on showing that KR did NOT do it -- could not have, the evidence says something completely different - while being VERY non-specific as to a particular alternate scenario of what happened.

Re KR - each one of these kills the viability of the cw's case, and ALL have been shown to be true (in some of them, by BOTH the cw and def testimony)
1 Her vehicle could not have caused the injuries to JOK. [Some on this is still to come, compelling ARCCA testimony in T1 and still to be shared in T2]
2 His arm could not have caused the damage to the vehicle. [Some on this is still to come, compelling ARCCA testimony in T1 and still to be shared in T2]
3 His arm injuries were caused by a dog bite and his overall injuries (including arm) were NOT consistent with being from a vehicle.
4 Her taillight damage did not exist before the CW took possession of the vehicle, to allow the pieces that were eventually and gradually collected over WEEKS on the lawn to have been there that night.
5 There's evidence JOK must have gone inside the house.
6 No one saw JOK on the lawn, even though MANY passed by, until he was found the next morning.
7 The 1162 key cycle definitely must have happened much later when KR car was in possession of cw. [Some on this is still to come, compelling ARCCA testimony in T1 and still to be shared in T2]
8 The evidence that was supposedly collected was not (by LE norms) professionally logged, photographed, recorded, or preserved from tampering and contamination.

But if it's not KR, then who did it? We aren't sure. But we showed you the jury a BUNCH of jinky things done by the home owner(s), the lead investigator, others there that night, within the (supposed) evidence itself, and more. Stories keep changing. Evidence pointing in other directions gets buried, not investigated further. Key people in the case that have been cw witnesses including the lead investigator were hidden from you and not called to testify by the cw, and the law says you can draw negative inferences from that (obviously). It's not our job to figure out who killed JOK, but it definitely wasn't KR.

The Prosecution is standing in for JO- they are supposed to be seeking justice for him.
If JO was here, he does not sound like the kind of person who would want his parents, his niece and nephew, and the family of KR to be enemies.
These two families ought to be able to mourn together.
I don’t think he would be ok with the fact that KR has invested her entire life savings, life, work, future, to keep herself out of prison.
How is that justice for JO? It isn’t serving him at all.

IMO

 

[sunshineray]

Didn’t she say she was there when it arrived….she saw it and the 2 spending a wildly long time with it?? Then changed to say that she left hours before, so saw none of that? Am I dreaming?

She corrected that she left hours before the Lexus was even brought in. The defense did not argue that was incorrect, not a question about her time frame at work being wrong. They didn't bring it up. Why would that be if Officer Dever was testifying incorrectly? There's probably video of her leaving, possibly even getting in her car and leaving. There's probably lots of cameras in and around the police station, AJMO.

 

[sunshineray]

Yes!! I had this same question, Gallagher describes the doors as having to be opened by someone. If Devers was working desk, was it her job to open those doors?
How hard is it to look up work schedules and logs and paystubs to find out if her work hours overlap the time when KRs car was brought to the sally port?

If it wasn’t Devers- who opened the doors on that day?

JMO

I wonder why the defense didn't ask about that? Probably because they know Officer Dever was gone long before the Lexus got there, MO. She wasn't just working her shift, she was on overtime. Whomever came in after she left must have opened the doors, or any number of people could have. AJMO

 

[sunshineray]

Brian Albert made a point to describe how Higgins moved his white jeep with a plow out of the driveway and into the street. Jen and Matt McCabe swore in testimony that they saw the white jeep parked next to the mailbox.
But everyone in the Nagel car testified to parking right behind Karen, where the jeep would have been. And no one else testified to seeing it.

Brian Higgins left 34 Fairview Road (Brian Albert's home) around 1:30 a.m. to drive to the Canton Police Department. He stated he was going to do "administrative paperwork".

No one knows where Higgins jeep with snow plough was. Prosecution needs it out of the way but Defence has testimony from prosecution witness in this trial saying it was there (Jen Mccabe)

If Jeep is there, the backup movement in KR car would lead to a collision with it.

Maybe something the prosecution should have cleared up to remove doubt, but Brennan's insistence in not calling BH, has left another doubt out there. Maybe he moved it somewhere else, but a maybe with this information is a doubt that the collision could have occurred based on a testimony by a prosecution witness, which the prosecution has not provided a clear solution to. (Maybe it comes in rebuttal, I feel like rebuttal is going to be as much of the case as the case in chief, with Justice Cannone refusing the defence a surrebuttal.)

Or BH just left before KR and JO got there, a much simpler explanation. MO

 

[sunshineray]

I'm still catching up from yesterday. Wow, the defense couldn't have had a worse expert witness than Dr. Russell, MO. KR was not looking like her normal confident self listening to Dr. Russell being cross examined. She looked very worried, MO

What was Aleesi doing riding in the car with a witness? Couldn't she get a cab, an uber, her own limo? Alessi was also highlighting her talking points for her. He couldn't just hand her the highlighter? What else inappropriate did the defense do with their expert witness? The studies Dr. Russell picked to reference sure weren't even close to being simular in any way to JO's case, MO.

Then Attorney Alessi has a bit of a meltdown, yelling and banging, demanding a mistrial. Trying very hard to cut their loses because there was no doggie DNA found on the tears in JO's clothes. Oh the CW can't bring THAT up! That's a mistrial? That's a fact, swabbed and tested. MO

Now today, this poor plow guy doesn't know when he was on Fairview, he's been all over the place with his times. He and his brother have been harassed by a rabidly pro-KR blogger, written about online, talked about on podcasts, calling the plow driver's boss...all when the poor man had lost his wife.

He changes his testimony, his times and he stopped being harassed and became embraced by the KR supporters, Mr Loughran answered 'Correct" to that question.

It really is quite unbelievable. Witness coaching, and bias with one witness and then a harrassed witness just wanting the online crazies to leave him be, so it certainly seems like he adjusted his testimony to facilitate that. AJMO

 

[mrjitty]

I wonder why the defense didn't ask about that? Probably because they know Officer Dever was gone long before the Lexus got there, MO. She wasn't just working her shift, she was on overtime. Whomever came in after she left must have opened the doors, or any number of people could have. AJMO

Yes. You have the hang of examining the contours of the evidence Sunshine!

The defence did not contest Devers left a couple of hours before. They also have to be careful because if they subpoenaed too much info on this, they could end up creating evidence against themselves.

It's entirely possible Devers saw Higgins talking to Chief Berkowitz in the Sallyport. They are friends after all, and a colleague had just been killed. Perhaps there was a vehicle there which Devers later assumed was the Lexus. After all, it is pretty clear from the defence's own direct of this witness, that she did not know when the Lexus was actually impounded and the next day the Lexus was there.

This is of course why this witness was not called in trial 1. But now without Higgins testimony they really need anything at all to get him in play.

The downside for the defence is they are now arguing that the conspiracy involves not just, Higgins, Proctor, Jen and Kerry but also Yuri B, Chief Berkowitz and the Police Commissioner of Boston!

IMO/MOO

 

[mrjitty]

He changes his testimony, his times and he stopped being harassed and became embraced by the KR supporters, Mr Loughran answered 'Correct" to that question.

It really is quite unbelievable. Witness coaching, and bias with one witness and then a harrassed witness just wanting the online crazies to leave him be, so it certainly seems like he adjusted his testimony to facilitate that. AJMO

RSBM

This is why, quite separately to the eventual outcome in this case, I hope there are serious consequences for a 3rd party who engaged in this conduct. Whether or not it influenced Lucky we can never truly know - but the suggestion of it is extremely bad.

MOO

 

[jepop]

The Prosecution is standing in for JO- they are supposed to be seeking justice for him.w
If JO was here, he does not sound like the kind of person who would want his parents, his niece and nephew, and the family of KR to be enemies.
These two families ought to be able to mourn together.
I don’t think he would be ok with the fact that KR has invested her entire life savings, life, work, future, to keep herself out of prison.
How is that justice for JO? It isn’t serving him at all.

IMO

With everything that is known, especially but by no means exclusively, JO's dog attacked right arm, which was apparently never, not by anyone, considered in relation to his MOD; ranging from Proctor, ambulance staff, emergency room staff (ffs), treating doctors (really?) all the way up to the ME herself (and ofcourse the various agents of the DA's office), I find it almost impossible to believe that the CW was ever really interested in real justice for Officer John O'Keefe. The DA's office and the PA are not Proctor's puppets. They decided Proctor's investigation was adequate to push ahead. They had access to all the physical evidence and more besides, and they green lighted the prosecution, not once but twice. Moo it was never about justice.