MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #34 Retrial

[kuromiiiilove]

And again we hear ‘not hired by insurance, but a separate agency’ - separate from CPD and MSP.

I would love to poll the jury after this trial and see how many, if any, put two and two together with Devers FBI comment…

 

[kuromiiiilove]

I'm not sure if it's the commentary on the jury or the jurors' reactions but there is something unsettling about these type of posts..

https://twitter.com/x/status/1932509664572551351

That is disturbing to me. I’ve been worried judge Cannone is prejudicing the jury against the defense with her own vocalizations, eye rolls, etc., and I do worry that she has emboldened the jury to disrespect the defense or view interruptions as the fault of the defense… MOO

 

[Wishbone]

I have been thinking more about this hoodie business & I’m baffled by it. I already remarked on the defence team being asleep when Brennan was referring to holes in the back & using them to undermine the defence expert.

The hoodie is a key piece of evidence. It all but settles the question whether the arm injuries were made by a dog or shards of tail light. It’s central. How, even if coming late onto one or other team, can you not know it had no holes or tears in the back resulting from the incident?

I was a litigation solicitor so my job was to instruct barristers for trial. I cannot imagine:

a) not knowing something like this
b) not instructing counsel fully about it
c) allowing counsel to embark on a line of questioning at variance with basic & important facts.

This is doubly true when acting for the prosecution in a criminal case given the high burden that exists to ensure the defendant is fairly tried.

I know Americans don’t have two legal professions but that’s irrelevant. The roles still exist regardless what names the lawyers are given. Preparation & advocacy. And prep is 9/10ths of the case. The lawyers sitting alongside Brennan have something like the solicitor’s role. They will have done the spadework. Unless incompetent, they cannot not know something like this. Moreover, it’s very hard to imagine Brennan going off on this line of questioning without prior discussion. Why did no one set him straight?

I continue to give him the benefit of the doubt because no one would be so knowingly crass in his position. And, as luck would have it, the defence was fast asleep! The whole thing beggars belief.

Rant over, it’s history (unless they convict).

Unless I missed something, the defense addressed the issue after Dr Wolfe's testimony as that was how brennan quickly ended his cross exam. Before that time the back of the hoodie was a non issue. IMO it was yet another underhanded maneuver by the cw. JMOO

 

[missy1974]

Unless I missed something, the defense addressed the issue after Dr Wolfe's testimony as that was how brennan quickly ended his cross exam. Before that time the back of the hoodie was a non issue. IMO it was yet another underhanded maneuver by the cw. JMOO

And it should be noted that Dr. Wolfe did NOT agree with Brennan and said they looked like cuts to him.

**** interesting that his observation was correct too by the way lol

 

[Gerald12]

I think it is great! It is really hard to find reporters that just report what they see though. Some that are there are clearly on one side of the fence or the other IMO

I like reading her but I'm thinking of when the judge previously spoke with the jurors about facial expressions etc, that seems to have gone by the wayside now. I imagine it must be distracting for the lawyers and witnesses.

 

[Wishbone]

I like reading her but I'm thinking of when the judge previously spoke with the jurors about facial expressions etc, that seems to have gone by the wayside now. I imagine it must be distracting for the lawyers and witnesses.

The judge should take her own advice. JMOO

 

[mrjitty]

I have been thinking more about this hoodie business & I’m baffled by it. I already remarked on the defence team being asleep when Brennan was referring to holes in the back & using them to undermine the defence expert.

The hoodie is a key piece of evidence. It all but settles the question whether the arm injuries were made by a dog or shards of tail light. It’s central. How, even if coming late onto one or other team, can you not know it had no holes or tears in the back resulting from the incident?

I was a litigation solicitor so my job was to instruct barristers for trial. I cannot imagine:

a) not knowing something like this
b) not instructing counsel fully about it
c) allowing counsel to embark on a line of questioning at variance with basic & important facts.

This is doubly true when acting for the prosecution in a criminal case given the high burden that exists to ensure the defendant is fairly tried.

I know Americans don’t have two legal professions but that’s irrelevant. The roles still exist regardless what names the lawyers are given. Preparation & advocacy. And prep is 9/10ths of the case. The lawyers sitting alongside Brennan have something like the solicitor’s role. They will have done the spadework. Unless incompetent, they cannot not know something like this. Moreover, it’s very hard to imagine Brennan going off on this line of questioning without prior discussion. Why did no one set him straight?

I continue to give him the benefit of the doubt because no one would be so knowingly crass in his position. And, as luck would have it, the defence was fast asleep! The whole thing beggars belief.

Rant over, it’s history (unless they convict).

I looked into it further as well and think it is also odd that AJ did not immediately object for the record and attempt to raise on a redirect? That would have hit hardest with the jury as far as Brennan's credibility goes. Seems a missed opportunity.

As you say, either they were fast asleep, or somehow thought saving it for Alessi's mistrial application was a better move? Brennan got lucky there.

Strange moment in the case for sure.

MOO

 

[themonk]

Michael Morrissey, the NORFOLK COUNTY DISTRICT ATTORNEY. WELL connected with the judge and the house party people. FBI investigation on his office, he is well aware for a while. IMO

I don't think I can rule out Michael Morrissey being at the party that night

 

[arielilane]

I just listened to this, she said she never said it couldn't be caused by glass.

She changed/adjusted her opinion once she heard that KR picked a piece of glass from John's nose.
I am okay if we disagree.

I actually think the witness helped the CW.

This trial is dragging on. I cant imagine being a juror on this case. The outcome does not matter to me, I dont worry about what I cant control. Trials are interesting but dragging them out like this is too much. However, I always want justice to be served. We shall see, but I suspect the jurors are exhausted as Judge Cannone is paying attention to the jurors and is noticing their tiredness. Way too many sidebars. Ive agreed with most of what the judge rules (her record prior to being a judge is impressive) she knows the law, but I will say it's time to start owning your courtroom.

I will say I am sure she is ready to be done with this trial. It cant be easy to handle all those attorneys/personalities.

moo - it easy for me to say all this from the comfort of my office.

 

[lohrtabitha]

The judge should take her own advice. JMOO

Ain't that the truth!!!

 

[missy1974]

After Dr. Laposata... this testimony is just going to compliment her opinions as well.

JMO

 

[themonk]

That is disturbing to me. I’ve been worried judge Cannone is prejudicing the jury against the defense with her own vocalizations, eye rolls, etc., and I do worry that she has emboldened the jury to disrespect the defense or view interruptions as the fault of the defense… MOO

She has set a truly poor example and is clearly not qualified to preside over any courtroom IMO.

 

[Wishbone]

I looked into it further as well and think it is also odd that AJ did not immediately object for the record and attempt to raise on a redirect? That would have hit hardest with the jury as far as Brennan's credibility goes. Seems a missed opportunity.

As you say, either they were fast asleep, or somehow thought saving it for Alessi's mistrial application was a better move? Brennan got lucky there.

Strange moment in the case for sure.

MOO

A motion for dismissal with prejudice seems like a better move IMO, and with all the judge's bad calls and prosecution shenanigans should have been granted. It was worth a try even though the defense seemed to know the judge would never agree and even mentioned a remedy aside from dismissal while declaring their issue.

 

[themonk]

I will say I am sure she is ready to be done with this trial. It cant be easy to handle all those attorneys/personalities.

RSBM

Literally the job.

 

[missy1974]

Looks like the jury is being dismissed for the day.

 

[mrjitty]

She changed/adjusted her opinion once she heard that KR picked a piece of glass from John's nose.
I am okay if we disagree.

I actually think the witness helped the CW.

This trial is dragging on. I cant imagine being a juror on this case. The outcome does not matter to me, I dont worry about what I cant control. Trials are interesting but dragging them out like this is too much. However, I always want justice to be served. We shall see, but I suspect the jurors are exhausted as Judge Cannone is paying attention to the jurors and is noticing their tiredness. Way too many sidebars. Ive agreed with most of what the judge rules (her record prior to being a judge is impressive) she knows the law, but I will say it's time to start owning your courtroom.

I will say I am sure she is ready to be done with this trial. It cant be easy to handle all those attorneys/personalities.

moo - it easy for me to say all this from the comfort of my office.

While i think she let the day get too messy, I do have sympathy for how tricky this gets for everyone.

As an example today, Dr Rentschler's powerpoint only recently dropped, to which Brennan has issues, so then Judge Cannone starts the hearing to address, but then it turns out there is a new version overnight which Brennan did not start the hearing with so then it all happens on the fly. I don't think anyone can necessarily be blamed for this as obviously the defence reacted to Brennan's objections to make changes over night which reduces the need to debate things - but it does illustrate the crazy time pressure.

The Judge could get mad about such a late powerpoint but mostly a judge won't do that because of what is at stake, and she also knows the attorneys are going round the clock.

IMO

 

[kuromiiiilove]

Looks like the jury is being dismissed for the day.

What a weird place to cut for the day! Oh well, they heard some background on Dr Rentschler and ARCCA

 

[missy1974]

What a weird place to cut for the day! Oh well, they heard some background on Dr Rentschler and ARCCA

I think it's because they would have to get into his report... and it needs some adjustments. IIUC, he had slides with some statements that are considered "hearsay" on them.

But it was good to get some of his "boring" testimony out of the way. Tomorrow morning.. they should be able to jump right into his report.

 

[Anniesflowers]

She changed/adjusted her opinion once she heard that KR picked a piece of glass from John's nose.
I am okay if we disagree.

I actually think the witness helped the CW.

This trial is dragging on. I cant imagine being a juror on this case. The outcome does not matter to me, I dont worry about what I cant control. Trials are interesting but dragging them out like this is too much. However, I always want justice to be served. We shall see, but I suspect the jurors are exhausted as Judge Cannone is paying attention to the jurors and is noticing their tiredness. Way too many sidebars. Ive agreed with most of what the judge rules (her record prior to being a judge is impressive) she knows the law, but I will say it's time to start owning your courtroom.

I will say I am sure she is ready to be done with this trial. It cant be easy to handle all those attorneys/personalities.

moo - it easy for me to say all this from the comfort of my office.

I just watched it 2x, she did not change her testimony at all. Brennan lied, and then she corrected him. Moo

 

[keek]

I just watched it 2x, she did not change her testimony at all. Brennan lied, and then she corrected him. Moo

QUITE few times she did, had to. He found out. Truth and integrity are not familiar to him clearly. IMO