MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #34 Retrial

[waldojabba]

To be fair, they had absolutely nothing on their side from a science and math standpoint to work with. That’s the thing about science and math. It doesn’t lie. IMO.

I so agree re Aperture having nothing to work with to prove the P case

But yet they chose to do this bogus test and present it as science ( so dishonest)
How many other times have they done the same thing and their info had the weight to put people in jail or denied insurance claims with bogus or at best misleading data.

Someone needs to do a audit of that company. It's unconscionable in my world.

JMO

 

[kuromiiiilove]

The tail light pieces upon fracture would be moving the same speed as the arm. There’s no way the broken tail light could ‘out-accelerate’ John’s arm to create abrasions.

 

[nightowl1975]

Yes but that is not relevant to my original point. The defendant does need the jury to believe that she originally broke the tail light at 1M, even before you get to the question of whether anyone broke it at the Sally Port.

If they don't believe that, she has a big problem.

Hence my surprise that ARCCA did no testing on that.

IMO

Ah, I see what you’re saying now.

I think there’s a huge difference in the CW’s bottomless pockets, courtesy of the taxpayers, and the defense having to pay for expensive testing. Can you imagine what kind of testing the defense could’ve had done if they had $400K to work with? Yet the CW got a man playing in paint.

All JMO.

 

[lohrtabitha]

Bizarre.

That people love their children fore and foremost?

 

[missy1974]

the arm is not exposed to the fractured pieces of tail light.

Rentschler saying he can't get to where he was found from a hit like this, and the fragments would not be near where he was. (he gives a much longer/better explaination)

 

[Maat99]

Since it hasn't been proved that JO and the taillight collided and that the lab tech ended up with taillight pieces that weren't a part of the Lexus taillight the jury doesn't need to believe anything other than these facts. Problem solved. JMOO

Exactly. It’s ludicrous to say the defense must prove what really happened otherwise the jury is forced to believe whatever BS the prosecution throws out there whether they have proved it or not. That’s just not how the justice system works (thankfully). Jmo

 

[missy1974]

no damage to the sleeve of the sweatshirt.

 

[keek]

That people love their children fore and foremost?

When the Dr. is done with his testimony and leaves , his child will always remember his father wishing him Happy Birthday and the father as well. Children first. Nothing was interfered with in his testimony. Values. IMO

 

[kuromiiiilove]

no damage to the sleeve of the sweatshirt.


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So there was MORE damage to the tail light and surrounding area of the vehicle, and NO damage to John’s sleeve. Basically, this crash couldn’t have happened the way the CW is saying it did.

ETA: more damage than Karen’s Lexus had.

 

[Leilei]

A more respectable company would have passed if the evidence disproved everything but the arm lines up. I guess now the world knows that for $400k, Aperture will state whatever you want to a reasonable degree of scientific certainty under oath.

They need to have something at the bottom of the contract that reads "Not all experts may be designated as experts. In fact, most of our experts are no longer designated as such THANKS TO SHANON BURGESS".
IMO.

 

[kuromiiiilove]

‘You can’t correlate a side swipe where the arm gets contacted and someone ends up 20 feet away… it wouldn’t be a result of the actual incident’: AR

 

[kuromiiiilove]

The tail light material and the body would have been along the same center line as the vehicles movements.

 

[mzmarymac]

Just when I thought I knew EVERYTHING about this case, I just learned last night that there is a DOOR that leads to the garage in the front of the house!!! I didn't even know it was there! My goodness, it is obvious now that he entered the home through the garage. (The guy never made it into the house!) Holy Moly - am I the only one that is completely floored by this information, or am I just late to the party? To me, this changes EVERYTHING!!! A lot of people in the house would have never seen him!

Question - I am thinking there is likely another service door from the garage to the back yard, which could ultimately lead to the basement through the bulkhead doors.

 

[missy1974]

they moved the arm in so the elbow would have contact (because of Johns abrasions)

shows the other tail light would have been damaged.

would get fractures in the arm.




Did the center of mass test, to get the pedestrial to move, to propel the body. It would have gone straight back.. it wouldn't end up off to the side of the vehicle.

the 29mph test that caused the extensive damage to the SUV (I didn't get a pic of it)

 

[anglolawyer]

My opinion on this - yes, the defense should know about what holes are in the hoodie and why. I think this line of questioning by the prosecution took the defense by surprise. Their first instinct was not to suspect that the prosecution was pulling a fast one. Instead, they may have wondered, “wait a minute! Did we miss something?” But not wanting to ask about it in the moment in case they had missed something, which could backfire on them, make them look bad. You know, the old “don’t ask a question if you’re not sure of the answer?”
IMO

Credible & yet how they could not know, viscerally, there were no such holes still beats me.

 

[Elliot_Alderson]

I’m curious how the KR read is guilty crew will reconcile this info.

Trust me, they will find a way. JMO

 

[Alcina]

Dr. Rentschler is very good at explaining how it *couldn't* be a collision that caused the injuries. He has a nice way of saying things the way an average person could understand.

 

[minazoe]

how do we know these marks didn't happen prior to the incident? How do we know those aren't from a fight that happened in the car. how do we know? how do we know those aren't from keys or fingernails?

 

[KSwizzle]

Extremely great point by Renschler, if it happened how Aperture says it did, his knuckles would have shattered, yet he. had. no. broken. bones.

Waste of taxpayer dollars everyone, moo

 

[missy1974]

Rentschler is showing studies, articles about the amount of force to the hand and fractures.

I think the CW says that John MUST have been holding that glass since it was found near where he was found, well part of it.