NOT GUILTY MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #37 Retrial

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Wow wow wow. So I'm assuming one of the jurors changed their minds. Wonder which way they were turning?

Now I'm really worried this will be like trial 1. Seems like this person (or persons) really doesn't want to change their mind!
Didn't judge tell them to stick to their guns....someone took that to heart. But, did they even look at the evidence?
 
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I have never heard such! Sounds like a mistrial to me.
 
  • #404
Judge Cannone is correct in saying there is no verdict because it hasn’t been read in open court. They need to go through the process of being announced in open court, and the jury affirming - her asking ‘is this your verdict?’ And them agreeing. It’s legally allowable. But I have NEVER heard of this happening before.
This is insanity.
They need to extend deliberations today and hammer this out.
IMO.
 
  • #405
Can a jury have take backs after they’ve already completed the jury form and turned it in?
The hadn’t handed in the for yet. But, the judge requested the form and wanted it sealed. Can’t make this trial anymore confusing and convoluted than it is.
 
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I have never heard such! Sounds like a mistrial to me.
wondering if the defense is typing up a motion now.. requesting Mistrial with Prejudice ...
 
  • #409
I wonder if it isn't a changed mind, but more confusion with the forms? Maybe they didn't vote on one of the charges and when they knocked, they thought they had them all, but after a review someone realized that they didn't vote on something?? Since they already notified, they had a verdict it set things in motion and the only way to move forward was to do what they just did and go on the record. Maybe it won't be too long, and they will have the verdict. It could be 1 thing they didn't vote on and not that someone changed their mind.
 
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Judge Cannone is correct in saying there is no verdict because it hasn’t been read in open court. They need to go through the process of being announced in open court, and the jury affirming - her asking ‘is this your verdict?’ And them agreeing. It’s legally allowable. But I have NEVER heard of this happening before.
So, how much have these two trials cost the commonwealth? Over a million? AND over a confusing verdict form and unclear instructions form this judge?
 
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Whatever is happening I DON’T TRUST IT
 
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What the actual heck is going on with this trial?? Do we need to sage the courtroom or something?
 
  • #413
It's really hard to understand how a juror could agree to the point of signing the verdict slip, summon the bailiff, summon the teams and families, and then change their mind.
 
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Wait - if the jurors say hey, we are unanimous on charges 1 & 2, but on 3 we can’t agree, what happens? Assuming they admit the verdict slip for charges 1 & 2
 
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I wonder if it isn't a changed mind, but more confusion with the forms? Maybe they didn't vote on one of the charges and when they knocked, they thought they had them all, but after a review someone realized that they didn't vote on something?? Since they already notified, they had a verdict it set things in motion and the only way to move forward was to do what they just did and go on the record. Maybe it won't be too long, and they will have the verdict. It could be 1 thing they didn't vote on and not that someone changed their mind.
I wondered the same.
 
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Kristina Rex saying verdict is in as of 2:36p
 
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there is someone is there that is crazy. Did they see something...hear something or what?
 
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And now hearing that there's another verdict.
 
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Someone must have changed their mind. Maybe they had a verdict before lunch, filled out slip, ate lunch, and then the juror changed mind. Maybe?
My hopeful optimistic theory is one person was holding out on the OUI then decided after having a nice meal and curing their hangriness that they couldn't convict her on OUI.

My pessimistic theory is that the form is confusing and they now know they can't ask Judge questions about it and they're scared they're marking their decided verdict wrong.

Why. Did. She. Seal It.
 
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