NOT GUILTY MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #38 Retrial

[mzmarymac]

I take such issue with people (not here) that just throw out the old "she got away with murder" and the whole "travesty of justice" claims from the McAlberts. This verdict wasn't given because of wild accusations or gossip or conspiracy theories or celebrity. It should be obvious to everyone that this judge and the CW did EVERYTHING they could to keep as much evidence of innocence out of this trial and yet still couldn't convict.

Want to know how I know she is innocent? One look at her lawyers. These lawyers adore this woman and you can honestly see that they are 100% convinced of her innocence. They have worked day and night (for free mind you) and know every piece of inside information about this case. Just look at Yanetti crying. Lawyers don't cry!

Finally, for those who do believe she was guilty and "got away with it" stop blaming Karen, or TB or her fans or her lawyers. Blame the Canton PD. Blame Michael Proctor. Blame the people who lied, destroyed phones, and acted super suspicious. Heck, sorry to say, but blame JOK for relying on KR to be his designated driver while he watched her drink.

Ask the questions and respect the fact that there was enough reasonable doubt in this case that a conviction would have been completely unjustified. Ask why JOK didn't look like a pretzel. Ask why the CW couldn't prove a collision. I began looking into this case assuming (I know that's wrong) that she was 100% guilty and it was a process for me to go from guilty to not guilty to innocent.

 

[missy1974]

Has anyone else watched news clips about this case since the verdict and want to yell at them? haha None of them know the facts... lol driving me crazy!

I watched the clip of Karen's dad that was posted last night... I think he truly believes she didn't do anything, and he does make a comment that he drove the car home and it was sitting at his house, he knows what the tail light looked like so he knew she was innocent (paraphrasing)

 

[House of Holden]

Proctor's 20/20 and Dateline serve 2 purposes.

1. Damage control.
2. Infiltrating the minds of future jury members for the civil case.

Absolutely nauseating when Proctor said the "I hope she kills herself" was just a joke....

 

[House of Holden]

I want the people responsible for JOK beating death held responsible. I hope there is further investigation and people are charged.

Me too! Sadly I don't think any further investigations will be done right now. Maybe somewhere down the road someone will talk, or other investigators will take over the case and justice can finally be had for John O'Keefe....

 

[missy1974]

Brennan ~ you could see his confidence slipping throughout the trial with every witness he called. The defense was able to turn almost every witness into a positive for the defense. He was most likely able to 'read' the jury too, once he lost them, he had to know it was over. And the whole holes in the back of the sweatshirt thing..... no rebuttal... he was probably the least shocked at the verdict yesterday.

JMO

 

[Leilei]

I thought about his being attacked by Chloe outside - then how did he get the cut above his eye? And why not call 911 if it was just an accident?

My guess is that there were things going on in the house that they didn't want others to see.
IMO.

 

[Leilei]

I don't know if I am allowed to say that Bederow said last night that the gag order is now lifted and people are much freer to talk. He seems to suggest (and he ought to know because he is representing TurtleBoy and was going to join the Defense but Bev said he couldn't) that there is a lot of additional information out there that will likely get revealed now that the gag order is lifted. Should be fascinating. MOO only. Sorry if this isn't allowed.

Ooohhh I'll keep popcorn on hand for when they finally spill the tea!

 

[Forest_Wood]

“God bless those 12 people on the jury, members of your community had courage and sat there day after day, weighed the evidence, did their job, they’re the ones who are the heroes,” said Read’s defense attorney, Bob Alessi. “We’ve seen the evidence, we’ve seen it up close, this should not be over by any stretch.”

Read’s lawyers tell Boston 25 that they’re also taking tonight to just decompress, and they’re beyond thankful this second trial didn’t end in a mistrial."

‘We’re still numb’: Karen Read and family celebrate not guilty verdict

After leaving the courthouse in Dedham, Karen Read went to her hotel here in the seaport for a couple of hours, and then came to Mastro’s here for dinner with her family to celebrate that her case is finally over.

www.boston25news.com

The jurors are heroes!
Karen Read and her attorneys worked so hard to uncover the real truth in this case! Someone in the last thread mentioned watching the interview where Karen was driving around with a reporter (from a Boston tv station I believe), and I had watched that interview a couple months ago as well.
It gave me the best insight into her personality and her perspective. She spoke about how the entire team worked diligently every day, together as a team, following up on leads, reviewing previous testimonies with the FBI and GJ, witness statements, and so on. They left no stone uncovered. She was afraid to miss a day with her lawyers because then she'd miss out on so much discovery.
I'm so happy for each of her attorneys that they won this trial on behalf of Karen Read, who they obviously care deeply for. To see Yanetti, who stuck by Karen Read from the beginning, cry tears of relief and pride in court hearing her NG verdicts, and them all hugging and appreciating each other, shows their true humanity.
This is the trial of the decade or possibly the century, going down in history books and talked about for many years to come. The name Karen Read has changed the face of defense trials with her confidence, resilience and dedication to her own destiny.
MOO

 

[kaen]

While I think the whole process of investigation and prosecution stunk to high heavens, I will say that some of the undisputed truths that came out in this trial confirmed issues we have seen before--- rogue cops with little to no transparency, people covering for each other, and huge potential drinking issues among many of the players in this case (including drinking and driving, driving with open containers, drinking copious amounts of alcohol). I still wonder what the female officer saw when she went into the Sally Port and why was she refusing to cooperate (or why did noone interview her prior to she was called to testify. It is never good when a fraternity is willing to fudge things to cover their own. JMHO.

 

[ShadyLady]

A few thoughts about the verdict, and about some of the comments made ...
1 IN THEORY - the cw can appeal the verdict if they have legal reason to question the legitimacy of how it was obtained. (An appeal of the 1st trial is not a 2nd trial and therefore is not a violation of the restriction against "double jeopardy.") But appeals of such verdicts are rare, so while it's possible, it's VERY unlikely we'll see one here.

2 The civil case, while not needing a BARD finding, still has to overcome the barrier of proving that KR's vehicle hit JOK, and the overwhelming evidence is that it did not. The fact that she drove OUI doesn't by itself prove she hit anything, and the science and medical evidence says she didn't hit him. In fact, every witness agreed his injuries didn't show he was hit by a vehicle at all. The simple fact is that how his body injuries looked is NOT what someone looks like when a vehicle hits them.

3 Justtrish wrote the following in the last thread: "I hope she does not appeal the OUI. She admitted she did this. She was drinking at the bar, she was driving, she drove that morning and her BAC was over the .08 limit at 9am after she drove at 5-6am time frame. Clearly, she had alcohol in her system, and she drove her vehicle. If I was her, I'd just let it be. 1 year probation and do the classes. Move on with her life." I think that's good thinking, and I think it might point us to consider an overlooked aspect - what is KR's thinking?

4 To expand on that a bit, consider all the things that KR/def did that seemed to make no sense. Later on, that very day of JOK's death, she asked/spoke about the possibility of having hit him but wasn't clear at all on what happened. Much confusion in her words. Eventually she did the Body in the Snow thing in which she talked about too much drinking. At the trial, the defense pushed to have separate OUI charges added to the things she could be convicted of, when the prosec wasn't asking for it. When defining "what time" for OUI, the defense pushed for the broadest time possible (making it even easier to find her guilty). Why? Why? Why? Why? ....

When I ponder it, I am leaning to the idea that it was less about some sort of grand strategy, and more about KR having a jury decide the truth of KR's actions that night. Here's what I think: KR herself truly had (has) no clue what happened that night, didn't recall it (and still doesn't!!), was confused and grasping, but she does admit she could have been "overserved" as they say it, in light of her confusion and lack of recollection. Was she drunk driving? 'I dunno, I can't recall at all, but I'm glad to let the jury take a look and decide.' So I wonder if she is being willing to admit to what truth she knows rather than fighting it ("the truth will set you free"), and then let the science tell her and everyone else the facts of the things she does NOT recall.

5 While I was in support of a full NG verdict, I must admit I'm kinda liking this result. It's certainly a relief (and an unexpected blessing) JudgeB didn't arbitrarily impose her personal bias on the OUI sentence, so that KR got the same sentence as anyone else convicted of OUI 1st offense. And tbh, I must say that I like the idea KR is having to deal with her drinking issue (with a threat of significant consequences if she doesn't). The trial showed she and her circle all being VERY heavy imbibers. Drunk driving is horrendous and a potential killer, even if that outcome was not what happened this time. She dodged a bullet here. Hopefully having a probation hanging over her head can serve as a wake-up call to grow up and start to choose better actions.

Karen strikes me as the type of person that is willing to take responsibly for her actions. She knew she was drinking that night and admitted it.

In the fog of the morning on the 29th, she even wondered if she could have hit him, even though there was no evidence of it. So she is not afraid of taking responsibility for her actions, but quickly realized she did not hurt John, and was willing to fight the whole CW to prove her innocence. Bravo for her.

I just hope the O'Keefes drop their civil lawsuit and see how they were lied to by Keri and Jen.

 

[ch_13]

It’s odd, HB left his cushy private defense life to be a special prosecutor in the KR case for $200k. The man lives in Dover, one of the wealthiest suburbs of Boston. After Morrissey came under investigation, he took the job when no one else would.

His final paycheck will likely be over $500,000 for eight months of work. Not bad for any attorney.

Special prosecutor’s pay in second Karen Read trial could surpass half-million dollars

The verdict in Karen Read’s second trial will likely go down as the most expensive drunk-driving conviction in the history of the Commonwealth.

www.nbcboston.com

 

[turaj]

Me too! Sadly I don't think any further investigations will be done right now. Maybe somewhere down the road someone will talk, or other investigators will take over the case and justice can finally be had for John O'Keefe....

agree all involved are going to scatter to their corners and give it 6 months if not sooner and they will be back hanging out at their drinking holes. and driving home under the influence (OUI) and life wlll be back to normal. Activitists will call for change but I don't know. They did get one new member of city select board and I think the police chief resigned so that is progress....but from reports it is the whole state that has issues.

 

[turaj]

His final paycheck will likely be over $500,000. Not bad for any attorney.

Special prosecutor’s pay in second Karen Read trial could surpass half-million dollars

The verdict in Karen Read’s second trial will likely go down as the most expensive drunk-driving conviction in the history of the Commonwealth.

www.nbcboston.com

LYK said that getting your name recognized whether win or lose is still good for business so he knew what he was doing when he took this case.

 

[LvsAMystry]

Suit = discovery. That might be interesting!

No holds barred and no Bev to block it!

 

[ShadyLady]

My guess is that there were things going on in the house that they didn't want others to see.
IMO.

Interesting that Berkowitz called BH first thing in the morning...on the 29th.

Just sometimes conspiracies are true.

People will now feel freer to talk about what really goes on in that town.

 

[LvsAMystry]

IMO the civil case will go nowhere. KR can have expert witnesses testify, yet again, that there is no evidence to support that she is in any way responsible for his death.

She’s not going to settle with them either. The woman has nothing left.

JOK’s family would be better served going after the CPD. IDK how the statutes of limitations work as far as home owners insurance for personal injury, but they should have filed suit against the Alberts.

I got teary eyed yesterday hearing the verdict read as the crowd erupted outside. I hope KR gets financial support so she can recoup as much of her losses as possible. It won’t fix anything, but at a minimum she deserves to be compensated and comfortable.

It’s tough to say but agree that while the bar is lower in civil it’ll be tough in this instance since there isn’t even a motor vehicle accident or much of anything in that regard nevermind the forensics. Interesting also those that this far haven’t been named in the civil suit including the Alberts homeowner policy. Maybe that’ll change,

 

[geevee]

While I think the whole process of investigation and prosecution stunk to high heavens, I will say that some of the undisputed truths that came out in this trial confirmed issues we have seen before--- rogue cops with little to no transparency, people covering for each other, and huge potential drinking issues among many of the players in this case (including drinking and driving, driving with open containers, drinking copious amounts of alcohol). I still wonder what the female officer saw when she went into the Sally Port and why was she refusing to cooperate (or why did noone interview her prior to she was called to testify. It is never good when a fraternity is willing to fudge things to cover their own. JMHO.

Speaking of Devers, if she was on the overnight shift, she would have seen Higgins come into the control room when he was at CPD that early morning, I wonder why she didn't tell the FBI about that?

 

[missy1974]

Speaking of Devers, if she was on the overnight shift, she would have seen Higgins come into the control room when he was at CPD that early morning, I wonder why she didn't tell the FBI about that?

She wasn't in the dispatch room until early morning when they got the call about 'the man'.

 

[geevee]

She wasn't in the dispatch room until early morning when they got the call about 'the man'.

I thought she had finished her first shift and then when they got the call went on overtime until 3:30 p.m.?

 

[Forest_Wood]

I think Karen Read will become a very rich woman with interviews, documentaries, book deals and the like.
Her life will have purpose after in fact wasting it on JOK and his antics for 5-1/2 years of her life now.
It's sad that John died tragically, and a horrible ordeal for his adopted children who've seen more than a lifetime of turmoil, but Karen Read did not cause his death.
MOO