NOT GUILTY MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #38 Retrial

[Maat99]

It’s truly absurd to take all these partial pieces of data, that aren’t connected to ANY proof of John’s death, then hold them up individually and act like they are EBARD to convict. Thankfully jurors were able to see the big picture. MOO

And even those partial pieces of data somehow aren’t straightforward.
Taillight shards are the CWs most hyped evidence - yet somehow no one took timely pictures of the damage.
Phone and car data - but somehow multiple adjustments need to be made to the timestamps data.
Cellebrite phone extraction data is universally used by LE, but not in this case where it is somehow only wrong for JMs search.
Apple health steps data - It’s accurate when JOK leaves the bar and exits the car at the Albert’s, but not when he takes steps after that towards the house.

 

[shotgun09]

Listening and watching Juror # 4's ( Jason ) restores my faith in the system. This young man did what he ( they) were told to do. Examine the evidence, be the fact finders, and respectfully come to a decision.
Much gratitude and admiration to the entire jury !!

 

[Florida_marlin]

Kind of hard to miss the fan club crowd noise, signs, bullhorns (at one point) outside the courthouse every day.

I would never assume people who answered the call to do their civic duty have no courage, integrity, or fortitude. Expecting the worst from civic minded people says more about the their accuser than them. My opinion only

 

[themonk]

The evidence was there on his body, ALL just my opinion. Just like with OJ, I hope John's family and friends can prevail in civil court and find some justice.

I agree completely. the claw and teeth marks on the arm tell the story.

unfortunately Chloe's net worth is

*checks notes*

zero so not sure if it's worth pursuing

 

[keek]

Next in some time frame, there is and will be more public, hopefully, investigation info on others. Can't let this killing just lay. Never happens that way. IMO

 

[trialobsessive]

I don't know if "threw the trial" would be the term I would use but he did change about 1/2 way thru and I think he knew he had no case. That combined with the defense sharping up their game and focusing more on the straight science of no collision really sealed the deal. If there was any disagreements in jury room they got to the right spot...and even the bac test was questionable.

True. I think threw the trial isn’t quite accurate, but he definitely changed his approach, probably due to some of the reasons you suggest.

 

[Angelwatch]

Kind of hard to miss the fan club crowd noise, signs, bullhorns (at one point) outside the courthouse every day.

Does it help alleviate your concerns to know this wasn't a factor per juror #4? I hope it does The jurors were very serious and respectful of their role to be fact finders and review the evidence as presented in the courtroom.

 

[trialobsessive]

I don't know if "threw the trial" would be the term I would use but he did change about 1/2 way thru and I think he knew he had no case. That combined with the defense sharping up their game and focusing more on the straight science of no collision really sealed the deal. If there was any disagreements in jury room they got to the right spot...and even the bac test was questionable.

I’ll allow it

 

[Seattle1]

6/19/25

The Jury Has Spoken: Karen Read Verdict Recap​

 

[jepop]

Kind of hard to miss the fan club crowd noise, signs, bullhorns (at one point) outside the courthouse every day.

Imo: I watched so much footage of that crowd and they were everyday people, gathered together in unison behaving calmly and respectfully. They were well behaved. They were fine!

From what I saw, there was no shouting or cheering until the jury was done each day and gone, and only when Karen and her team were exiting the court. There was some singing and chanting after the jury had finished deliberating and the verdict was imminent. There was more cheering after the verdict.

Juror no. 4 just said that the jury were ferried to and from court to avoid the crowd, but he caught glimpses and was aware people were there. He had no complaints about noise. He stated they only considered the evidence in their deliberations.

So given all that, moo there's no need to be concerned.

 

[jepop]

Listening and watching Juror # 4's ( Jason ) restores my faith in the system. This young man did what he ( they) were told to do. Examine the evidence, be the fact finders, and respectfully come to a decision.
Much gratitude and admiration to the entire jury !!

He is a breath of fresh air.

 

[keek]

Imo: I watched so much footage of that crowd and they were everyday people, gathered together in unison behaving calmly and respectfully. They were well behaved. They were fine!

From what I saw, there was no shouting or cheering until the jury was done each day and gone, and only when Karen and her team were exiting the court. There was some singing and chanting after the jury had finished deliberating and the verdict was imminent. There was more cheering after the verdict.

Juror no. 4 just said that the jury were ferried to and from court to avoid the crowd, but he caught glimpses and was aware people were there. He had no complaints about noise. He stated they only considered the evidence in their deliberations.

So given all that, moo there's no need to be concerned.

It was beautiful to hear the celebratory cheers for justice.. It worked, intelligent jurors, hard and long work and so much technical evidence and seeing the awful police work and behavior. Lack of. ALL ages and walks of life, representing honest values. THEY SHOWED UP against corruption and a railroaded citizen. Beautiful to see and hear as the verdict was found NOT GUILTY. IMO

 

[jepop]

I agree completely. the claw and teeth marks on the arm tell the story.

unfortunately Chloe's net worth is

*checks notes*

zero so not sure if it's worth pursuing

It was beautiful to hear the celebratory cheers for justice.. It worked, intelligent jurors, hard and long work and so much technical evidence and seeing the awful police work and behavior. Lack of. ALL ages and walks of life, representing honest values. THEY SHOWED UP against corruption and a railroaded citizen. Beautiful to see and hear as the verdict was found NOT GUILTY. IMO

It was an incredible moment. Hearing this juror speak only adds to that. Justice was served.

 

[Odeto BJ]

Garages aren’t usually heated.

Pardon delay. Had to catch some Z's and do some work...
True. And the garage adjoined the house with a door to the front sidewalk about 9 feet from the "real" front door. A person could have stuck their head out that garage man-door and diverted JOK from heading to the house; and JM would never have seen that happen.
Assuming concrete floor and concrete steps to the main floor level: getting stains out of those surfaces would have been....quite tough. And wherever he fell, there would have been stains. We do know the house was never searched in a fashion that would have uncovered such evidence. For myself, the whole "falling backward" hypothesis is not as solid as the trial seemed to indicate, a variety of ad hoc weapons including a cinder block could have caused similar injury.
We do know some reconstruction was applied to the bulkhead in terms of new doors top and bottom; new surface coating to the interior of the retaining walls; and fresh paint to the steps. I don't recall any coating/resurfacing for the garage floor or its steps, but the CW might have precluded that because they got the Judge to exclude any mention of the house or the potential site of injury from Dr Laposada's testimony.
There are a whole list of questions and clarifications to which I continue to want a response.
I believe many of those in the house that night have knowledge of some of what happened. I don't believe there was a shared intent to murder a Boston cop....and there is a whole lot of space between those beliefs that is simply white backdrop at this point.
I do see the known refurbishments and upgrades to the house at 34F as indication that something evidentiary had to be remediated or obscured. We do know there was considerable work done to the basement level and the bulkhead stairwell.

MOO where and as....

 

[Anniesflowers]

The evidence was there on his body, ALL just my opinion. Just like with OJ, I hope John's family and friends can prevail in civil court and find some justice.

Oh no! OJ showed up again! Casey Anthony has been hanging around, as well! I’m still not sure what they have to do with Karen Read and John O’Keefe.

 

[ch_13]

And I've seen jury intimidation before.

I don't get these claims about jury intimidation / jury tampering etc. This jury took its job seriously, spent days deliberating, and found KR guilty on one of the lesser charges.

I can't see the poll results anymore, but from the postings on WS, the sentiment here seems to be about 80% NG vs. 20% G. And WS is hardly a hotbed of sympathy for criminal defendants. Most of the posters have a long history on this site and are generally pro-prosecution in other trials. Ask yourself why the KR trial is an outlier. Unless you're going to claim that all the posters here were also intimidated.

And I don't follow social media all that closely, but on YouTube Emily D. Baker and Peter from the Lawyer You Know are both well-respected attorneys and former prosecutors who watched the trial in its entirety and also are on the record as saying that the CW didn't prove its case. Were they intimidated as well?

If anything, the jury's findings seem to be in accord with the overwhelming majority of trial watchers. Your opinion may be different, and that's perfectly fine. I've certainly felt that way before in other cases. But just because the verdict isn't to your liking, it doesn't point to bias.

 

[Forest_Wood]

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I watched body in the snow last night. Karen says there are a lot of women and ex girlfriends who live in Fairview. She was convinced he was with a woman that night and ignoring her. Her voicemails get more frantic as the night goes on. She sounds completely desperate (and I’m not saying that in a bad way) and heartbroken in the last message. She’s obviously crying. Sounds defeated and broken hearted. She’s no longer angry. She’s heart broken

Because he had just pulled the same stunt in Aruba less than a month before and she was frantic he was doing it again.

 

[Odeto BJ]

I don't get these claims about jury intimidation / jury tampering etc. This jury took its job seriously, spent days deliberating, and found KR guilty on one of the lesser charges.
.....TBM

If anything, the jury's findings seem to be in accord with the overwhelming majority of trial watchers. Your opinion may be different, and that's perfectly fine. I've certainly felt that way before in other cases. But just because the jury results aren't to your liking, it doesn't point to bias.

BBM
Well, CH, it does point to bias....just not on the part of the jurors.
LOL

MOO
BAHHH
WOOF

 

[sapphire blue]

Highly agree with everything you said.. something is wrong when we ignore* damning digital and physical evidence

Something is wrong when we ignore the facts, evidence showed that JOK was not hit by a car

BARD matters.

 

[SteveS]

And even those partial pieces of data somehow aren’t straightforward.
Taillight shards are the CWs most hyped evidence - yet somehow no one took timely pictures of the damage.

Good points! You can't take timely pictures of something that doesn't exist!!! No pics was a great strategy for someone, of course, because if you are planting evidence on an ongoing basis, you don't want the scene at any time to be photographed, when later pics might tend to show something very contradictory from what was snapped earlier.

EVERYONE who saw the car after the alleged collision but before Proctor took possession of the car all say the same thing about the tail light: it was NOT damaged like the cw claims, not even close. (So where did those pieces on the lawn come from? Magic? More importantly, without any of that actually being real, then all we have is a dead JOK on the lawn, and someone needs to investigate where he really died and how.) Juror 4 was blunt about it in the interview: he doesn't think Karen even hit JOK with her car because video in the trial showed Karen's taillight was working just fine after the alleged collision! The jurors SAW VIDEO that proved the cw's claims were total BS.

JOK was not hit by a vehicle. And all the medical and science people said the same thing. That's not what a person looks like after a car=pedestrian accident. KR didn't hit him. No one else did either.

BOTTOM LINE: Anyone who still says the actual evidence about the car damage supports the cw's accusations is lying to you (or themself) and in extreme denial.