NOT GUILTY MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #38 Retrial

[Knitpicker]

I can't stand Jen...but I don't think she was in on anything but as the night went along did what she could to protect the rest. I don't think the night's events were planned to kill JOK...but drinking and personalities got involved and too many in LE so they knew right away how to cover up whatever happened in that house or garage.

And Jens husband would stay home rather than “protect the rest”?

 

[mzmarymac]

I can't stand Jen...but I don't think she was in on anything but as the night went along did what she could to protect the rest. I don't think the night's events were planned to kill JOK...but drinking and personalities got involved and too many in LE so they knew right away how to cover up whatever happened in that house or garage.

If a minor was involved and that minor was given alcohol (or drugs) by adults in the home, there would be dire consequences for everyone involved. As first responders, it would be immediately clear that JOK was dead/dying and there was no hope. They had to choose whether to let everyone go down with the ship or pin it on the horrible woman who wanted to cheat on him who should have just copped a plea and been done with the whole thing. Besides, all of this really was her fault anyway, right?

ETA - this was NEVER about protecting Chloe. It was NEVER about protecting their home from a lawsuit. It was ALWAYS to protect their involvement in the actions that left JOK dead. I have zero doubt there was a LOT of underage drinking in that home and likely copious amounts of drugs. They were screwed. Out of their jobs, likely in prison, likely sued for everything they had, and their entire families ruined beyond repair. All for a simple argument that got out of hand. They were NOT going down for that.

 

[Wishbone]

If that is where KR left him (In the house), wouldn’t she have called Jen to call the Alberts to see if he was there rather than drive right to the body?

She wasn't driving the car. She got busy trying to warm JO up.

 

[HarmonyE.]

If that is where KR left him (In the house), wouldn’t she have called Jen to call the Alberts to see if he was there rather than drive right to the body?

Maybe because she was really concerned and wanted to DO something at that point?

How is that unreasonable?

 

[Knitpicker]

She wasn't driving the car. She got busy trying to warm JO up.

Drive to the body-meaning She was int he car w/Kerry and Jen.
If she left John in the house, I woudl think she would call Jenn at 5 am and say “Jenn, I left John at the house with you and the Alberts. He never came home. Can you call the Alberts to see if he is there”?
Not take the women to the place where he was laying dying on the ground…

 

[HarmonyE.]

And Jens husband would stay home rather than “protect the rest”?

She called Jen, not Matt. And if you've gleaned anything about those two from testimony and interviews, she's da boss in that household. And it was her sister's house, not his.

 

[Knitpicker]

Maybe because she was really concerned and wanted to DO something at that point?

How is that unreasonable?

She called Jen right? She could have asked Jen to call the Alberts to see if he was crashed there. Wouldn’t that have been a normal thing to do, rather than go out in a blizzard and drag two other women with her? One that she hardly knew. Seems she was looking for witnesses-especially telling one to google search about how long it takes to die int he snow..

 

[Knitpicker]

She called Jen, not Matt. And if you've gleaned anything about those two from testimony and interviews, she's da boss in that household. And it was her sister's house, not his.

The point is that if they were all in on the conspiracy-none of them would have driven with KR to the house.

 

[louvillian08]

Drive to the body-meaning She was int he car w/Kerry and Jen.
If she left John in the house, I woudl think she would call Jenn at 5 am and say “Jenn, I left John at the house with you and the Alberts. He never came home. Can you call the Alberts to see if he is there”?
Not take the women to the place where he was laying dying on the ground…

Is this a joke comment? That is literally what happened… Jen claimed the Alberts didn’t answer. Which now we know was a lie.

Karen was driving around, looking at the Waterfall, CF McCarthys, etc. and Jen told her to come pick her up. Then they met up with Kerry at JO’s house. After Kerry and Jen wanted to “double check” 1 Meadows Ave, and still not hearing from the Alberts, they finally agreed to drive Karen to 34 Fairview.

 

[Knitpicker]

Is this a joke comment? That is literally what happened… Jen claimed the Alberts didn’t answer. Which now we know was a lie.

Karen was driving around, looking at the Waterfall, CF McCarthys, etc. and Jen told her to come pick her up. Then they met up with Kerry at JO’s house. After Kerry and Jen wanted to “double check” 1 Meadows Ave, and still not hearing from the Alberts, they finally agreed to drive Karen to 34 Fairview.

Are you saying that KR on the phone asked Jen to call the Alberts before KR went to Jens house? I wanted 95% of the last trial. Was that stated at the first trial or the second?

 

[HarmonyE.]

She called Jen right? She could have asked Jen to call the Alberts to see if he was crashed there. Wouldn’t that have been a normal thing to do, rather than go out in a blizzard and drag two other women with her? One that she hardly knew. Seems she was looking for witnesses-especially telling one to google search about how long it takes to die int he snow..

As I've said, she only had Jen's number.

My guess is Jen told Karen she'd call Nicole, because that's exactly what Jen did at 5:07.

And I'm willing bet Jen offered to drive around with her to KEEP HER AWAY from Fairview for as long as possible. Because we know Jen suggested they search other places first, including Tom Beatty's house for some weird reason.

These are all Jen's machinations, IMO. She knew exactly where John's body was and worked to keep Karen away from it and away from LE for as long as possible. Not because she was trying to frame Read that early on, but because the longer it took to find the body the better for the Alberts, and anyone else involved with John's death.

 

[Wishbone]

Drive to the body-meaning She was int he car w/Kerry and Jen.
If she left John in the house, I woudl think she would call Jenn at 5 am and say “Jenn, I left John at the house with you and the Alberts. He never came home. Can you call the Alberts to see if he is there”?
Not take the women to the place where he was laying dying on the ground…

Doesn't matter who she called or didn't call. JO was not hit by her car as confirmed by the not guilty vote by the jury.

 

[iamshadow21]

Doesn't matter who she called or didn't call. JO was not hit by her car as confirmed by the not guilty vote by the jury.

And the science done by the reputable scientists, not the ones who faked their credentials and covered themselves in poster paint as if it proved anything besides that wet paint transfers from one surface to another. Which anyone with toddlers could tell you.

MOO

 

[missy1974]

You would not only not go to prison in MA if your dog accidentally knocked someone down and killed them, there would be no criminal charges whatsoever. It would be a civil liability matter only and would be covered by the owner's homeowners policy.

Brian Albert knows this. So I personally doubt he'd cover up such a death and risk actual criminal charges. My guess is this was a fully human altercation with Chloe jumping into the fray as it was going on.

I went down that rabbit hole during the trial because I still think this could be a reason for BA to want to cover up even an accidental injury caused by Chloe.

I found that home insurance in Mass. for dog bites will typically exclude certain breeds, German Sheppard was one of them... or will exclude coverage if the dog has a history of biting.

JMO

 

[Mmcgirl13]

Doesn't matter who she called or didn't call. JO was not hit by her car as confirmed by the not guilty vote by the jury.

This is what it comes down to for me. Trying to figure out who was responsible based on who did what and how people reacted is pretty futile imo. It's easy to say "if Karen hadn't done it, it would've made sense to do this," or "if Jen had been involved, she wouldn't have done this," but at the end of the day, two different people can respond to the same situation in completely different ways and sometimes the way they respond won't make sense to someone who didn't go through it. That goes double in an emergency or traumatic situation. I can easily believe nobody involved acted entirely logically or rationally that morning, no matter who was responsible. What I can't believe is that he could've been hit by a car, and multiple accredited experts did not find his injuries to be consistent with a vehicle collision, including the state's own ME. And I certainly don't think that you can convict someone beyond a reasonable doubt with that testimony.

 

[HarmonyE.]

I went down that rabbit hole during the trial because I still think this could be a reason for BA to want to cover up even an accidental injury caused by Chloe.

I found that home insurance in Mass. for dog bites will typically exclude certain breeds, German Sheppard was one of them... or will exclude coverage if the dog has a history of biting.

JMO

In my early career I worked as a homeowners underwriter, and you are correct, there are many carriers that restrict breeds.

However, if you are willing to pay more for your premium, you will absolutely find a carrier willing to write you a policy with full coverage. Between Chloe and the pool, I'm sure they were paying quite a bit, but with a fat salary and a million dollar house, I'm sure the Alberts were well-insured.

 

[missy1974]

If Jen was in on it, why would she ever drive to the house with KR?

I think the better question is.. why didn't they go straight there instead of detouring and wasting time?

Kerri didn't know the Alberts, she didn't know where they lived. I think Karen called Jen because she had no idea how to get back there, and possibly didn't even know the address. John had the address on his phone, he got the directions, she just drove there.

Jen called her sister at 5:07am, but they didn't get to her place until shortly after 6am, because Jen insisted on going back to 1 Meadows first... why? Karen had already said he didn't come home and needed help.

All JMO

 

[louvillian08]

Are you saying that KR on the phone asked Jen to call the Alberts before KR went to Jens house? I wanted 95% of the last trial. Was that stated at the first trial or the second?

Yes. Both trials. And It’s in multiple court documents, including Jen’s initial witness statements, the CW’s memorandum, etc. You’d have to rewatch the testimony yourself if you want specifics as to what was said.

KR called Kerry Roberts looking for him, Jen told her she called both her sisters even checking to see if he went to Julie’s house that night and called Tom Beatty to see if JO was there.

 

[iamshadow21]

This is what it comes down to for me. Trying to figure out who was responsible based on who did what and how people reacted is pretty futile imo. It's easy to say "if Karen hadn't done it, it would've made sense to do this," or "if Jen had been involved, she wouldn't have done this," but at the end of the day, two different people can respond to the same situation in completely different ways and sometimes the way they respond won't make sense to someone who didn't go through it. That goes double in an emergency or traumatic situation. I can easily believe nobody involved acted entirely logically or rationally that morning, no matter who was responsible. What I can't believe is that he could've been hit by a car, and multiple accredited experts did not find his injuries to be consistent with a vehicle collision, including the state's own ME. And I certainly don't think that you can convict someone beyond a reasonable doubt with that testimony.

Exactly. It doesn't really matter what she said, how she acted, what she did or didn't remember - the science doesn't support her hitting him. Not the medical evidence of his body, not the physical damage to the car, not the digital evidence from the car which never recorded a collision, not the digital evidence from his phone which had him walking and using the phone after leaving the car. And on top of that, you have the eyewitness account that Karen was sitting alone in the car with the dome light on, and JO was nowhere to be seen.

MOO

 

[Maat99]

I think the better question is.. why didn't they go straight there instead of detouring and wasting time?

Kerri didn't know the Alberts, she didn't know where they lived. I think Karen called Jen because she had no idea how to get back there, and possibly didn't even know the address. John had the address on his phone, he got the directions, she just drove there.

Jen called her sister at 5:07am, but they didn't get to her place until shortly after 6am, because Jen insisted on going back to 1 Meadows first... why? Karen had already said he didn't come home and needed help.

All JMO

Huh. It’s almost like she called her sister to warn her and then detoured to 1 meadow to delay their arrival. Odd. jmo