NOT GUILTY MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #38 Retrial

[lohrtabitha]

Matt McCabe said in the family group chat that they expected Karen to take a plea. She didn’t and they were suddenly in big trouble. I am very excited about Aidan Kearney’s trial because they have a ton of text messages between Proctor and all of the usual suspects that should be unsealed. The judge in that case is the complete opposite of Cannone. Very accommodating to both sides.

I'm excited too. That group thing they are superior and smarter than anyone else in Canton. They underestimated Karen's intelligence . Who's laughing at who know. The whole world is laughing at that family and the police officers that helped them. Moo

 

[Florida_marlin]

I'm excited too. That group thing they are superior and smarter than anyone else in Canton. They underestimated Karen's intelligence . Who's laughing at who know. The whole world is laughing at that family and the police officers that helped them. Moo

Ready for some perp walks for those fools….

 

[TDoc72]

I wonder why they thought that. Genuine question..

She was driving drunk. She knew that and so did everyone else. I really think if she thought she hit him, that she would’ve taken a plea. I think that’s why she got a lawyer and was headed that way until they got the ARCCA reports and the autopsy photo of his arm.
So it doesn’t surprise me that the house gang thought that too.

 

[Forest_Wood]

It's next to impossible to fire MA state troopers. The union is incredibly powerful. Some doubted whether they'd even be able to fire Proctor.

Once guys like Yuri and Tully are assigned to desk positions they lose their ability to make tons of money with overtime. So it is a punishment in that sense. But the main reason for getting them out of the field is to prevent them from ever getting involved with case investigations again and, and I think this is huge, ever testifying again. People laugh over crazy Dever, but Yuri's testimony was incredibly bad for the CW and made the state police look like a laughing stock.

It's behind a paywall, but Howie Carr has a front page piece in the Boston Herald today addressing Yuri's "banishment to Siberia".

Yes, I agree with everything you mentioned here. Once you have a union job, it's very difficult to get fired, within reason. And Proctor's conduct was not within reason as far as his employment was concerned.

It sounds like Yuri will now be working in a training/instructing department IIUC. I can't imagine he was demoted or took a pay cut, since the only discipline he received from the Proctor fiasco was him losing vacation days. Yes, he might lose some overtime opportunities, but even that is hard to say, depending on how short-staffed they might be.
IMO, I'd think he'd be pretty tired of the bureaucracy surrounding front line work, especially after everything that occurred which he obviously didn't agree with considering his praise of Proctor. Also, I imagine they brought in sweeping changes and oversight to the Troopers' roles/authority when all was said and done. I imagine none of them would want such oversight since it seemed they pretty much had free rein to do whatever they pleased previously (such as drinking in bars with co-workers while on duty with your police vehicle). Having their freedom taken away would be hard to swallow. Easier to just apply for a different job/location and start fresh.
MOO

 

[Forest_Wood]

BBM from above

I would imagine she's been very stressed out for quite some time over being forced to testify when she would have preferred to hide behind her false memory spiel.
I believe Devers has had coaching from many professionals over this.
They also have an employee assistance program to tap into for therapy / counselling, as well as union lawyers and union representatives to protect the employee's rights, and so on.

I think Devers was very well prepared for her disgusting non-testimony.

They threw her to the wolves

They gave her the" false memory testimony spiel" bs storyline that she fed to the fbi first. You think she made that up herself ? Of course not, it comes from the union lawyers "protecting her" giving her that ridiculous narrative.
Anyone interacting wth her had to know how she presented personally. She reeks of attitude and is a terrible liar. Her union coaches/lawyers helping her could not see that ?
All they had to do was a mock testimony exercise with her to see what a train wreck it was going to be on the stand.
They coached her to get up on the stand and lie and punch back. And you saw the result and yet she was so well prepared ?
Were her coaches just stupid?

As soon as she was interviewed by the fbi and she told the truth( that's the 'mistake" this all flows from) - and Karen did not plea out, and she got called to the stand, her days on the force were numbered.

She was not seasoned enough in life to know how to protect herself. She trusted the union coaches, the commissioner etc. and look where that got her.

She tried to protect the shield as she was advised by her union coaches and lawyers and she ruined her life as she knew it.

A savier person would have gotten non union advice before meeting with the fbi - maybe brought a private lawyer along, would have taped all her conversations concerning the topic or written notes to file- told others of the conversatons at the time - even her meeting with the commissioner - and protected herself. ( yes MA is a two party consent state but tapes are still effective IME). Many ways to play that out.

She needed to be clear she was screwed either way so she could make her choices accordingly. And you can bet she was not getting that from anyone in her circle.

She was being told no worries your job will be safe( imo so totally not true) - use the false memory, lie and punch back.

She got on the stand and proceeded to answer the way they coached her - and came across as a disaster/unstable/you name it. No surprise to the commish, problem now solved for LE - on national tv you can see she is a liability -who can believe her - Game Over.

They threw her to the wolves

Besides the above - I agree - she's definetly not likeable and was in the wrong profession.

Added bonus ......a sterling witness for the prosection.

JMO

I see your point, although I don't see Dever as a victim in this situation.
All I see is someone old enough to adult and act professionally, yet presents as an exceptionally spoiled brat who holds no respect for the trial, the court, the case or anything but her own self-preservation.
I still can't get over her saying on the stand:
AJ: "Did you find it unusual that a rookie police officer would be called up to the commisionner's office personally to discuss a matter?"
KD: "It was a reflection of how good of a leader he is."
Okay Dever!
MOO

 

[Forest_Wood]

Matt McCabe said in the family group chat that they expected Karen to take a plea. She didn’t and they were suddenly in big trouble.

I still don't understand why Matt McCabe was even so involved in those conversations, like the big shot he thought he was.

 

[Forest_Wood]

I'm excited too. That group thing they are superior and smarter than anyone else in Canton. They underestimated Karen's intelligence . Who's laughing at who know. The whole world is laughing at that family and the police officers that helped them. Moo

All of those fools ruled Canton through intimidation and so-called prestige for decades, doing what they wanted, whenever they felt like it, getting away with what others are convicted for (drinking/driving and so much more I'm sure!). Now, they've absolutely lost any status they may have held previously and they'll never get it back. They're has-beens, every last one of them.
MOO

 

[Forest_Wood]

"Have you ever had a moment, a poor lapse of judgment, when you’re just airing something out on your personal phone?" he said in that interview.

Michael Proctor's appeal over state police termination moves forward with hearing

Lead Karen Read investigator Michael Proctor’s effort to appeal his firing as a Massachusetts State Police trooper continues — he appeared at a virtual hearing on Tuesday.

www.nbcboston.com

Interesting they did say in the video you posted that "it's not a demotion because he's allowed to retain his rank, however, the change of assignment is absolutely a disciplinary action on behalf of the department against Yuri Bukhenic."
What I don't understand is how can it be discipline when they already stated months ago that his discipline was just forfeiting 5 days vacation.
Is this a new disciplinary action then, and for what?
They also said the new job is considered a plum assignment. "It's difficult to get into these units, especially as a Supervisor. These are very coveted positions. You can spend the rest of your career there. You develop a certain level of expertise which also makes you marketable for a second career once you retire."
So, I don't see it as a demotion at all for Bukhenic and I doubt he considers it a demotion either. I imagine there will be a lot of upset colleagues who would have wanted that cushy role. People in law enforcement work their entire careers on the front line, exhausted and over-worked, and dream of having a job like he was just handed.
It's all about optics as far as I'm concerned.
MOO

 

[HarmonyE.]

Yes, I agree with everything you mentioned here. Once you have a union job, it's very difficult to get fired, within reason. And Proctor's conduct was not within reason as far as his employment was concerned.

It sounds like Yuri will now be working in a training/instructing department IIUC. I can't imagine he was demoted or took a pay cut, since the only discipline he received from the Proctor fiasco was him losing vacation days. Yes, he might lose some overtime opportunities, but even that is hard to say, depending on how short-staffed they might be.
IMO, I'd think he'd be pretty tired of the bureaucracy surrounding front line work, especially after everything that occurred which he obviously didn't agree with considering his praise of Proctor. Also, I imagine they brought in sweeping changes and oversight to the Troopers' roles/authority when all was said and done. I imagine none of them would want such oversight since it seemed they pretty much had free rein to do whatever they pleased previously (such as drinking in bars with co-workers while on duty with your police vehicle). Having their freedom taken away would be hard to swallow. Easier to just apply for a different job/location and start fresh.
MOO

Yuri's been making 50 - 65k additional a year in overtime for several years now. He won't see that again pushing paper around in an admin job.

He only lost 5 vacation days, but that was before this trial and before the new state police colonel was sworn in late last year. YB's testimony this time was truly awful and the colonel seems to be making an effort to clean house. To the extent he can given the union. I'm hearing rumors that Nicholas Gaurino, the phone "expert" who testified in the Read trials and the same dope who missed over 33,000 texts between Sandra Birchmore and her boyfriend cop who murdered her may be up next. And Tully has already been re-homed.

So I'd say this is definitely a demotion in YB's eyes. If it quacks like a little rubber ducky....

 

[DustysMom]

One generally finds the variance in pay is attributed to overtime compensation. I don't doubt more than a minimal bump in Dever's base pay from 2023 to 2024. JMO

But her salary, as an officer with 2 years in the BPD (plus 2 ? on Canton where she was a rookie) is 50% HIGHeR than the average BPD salary. She must be a helluva employee with loads of overtime ….

 

[DustysMom]

The man has rocks for brains. I never knew how dumb he was until he talked in that interview. Moo

On ‘A Body in the Snow’, he was so arrogant and dismissive when he was talking to colleagues at her house - (didn’t I tell you she was a wack job?) - after she merely asked to change out of her pajamas.
My late father (who was LE) would describe him as “a mental midget”.

 

[DustysMom]

I wonder why they thought that. Genuine question..

IMO they were all drunk (and probably high) and they figured she was, also. They thought they easily gaslight her after JM observed her hysteria the morning they found him. KR did admit she didn’t really remember what happened….

 

[Seattle1]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1942736664725463395

 

[TIGER0822]

The man has rocks for brains. I never knew how dumb he was until he talked in that interview. Moo

The texts were but one of several violations. Drinking / Drunk(?) driving in a police cruiser, leaking confidential information , drinking while on duty, running a shoddy investigation.

 

[HarmonyE.]

The texts were but one of several violations. Drinking / Drunk(?) driving in a police cruiser, leaking confidential information , drinking while on duty, running a shoddy investigation.

His reports on the case were also very inaccurate. (Although some might say intentionally so.) He spelled the names of nearly every witness and participant wrong. The times he recorded involving the movement of the Read vehicle from Dighton were way off. He failed to use an evidence log for critical evidence. And this is all separate and apart from the practically nonexistent investigation itself.

He has a lot of damn gall demanding his job back.

 

[Forest_Wood]

His reports on the case were also very inaccurate. (Although some might say intentionally so.) He spelled the names of nearly every witness and participant wrong. The times he recorded involving the movement of the Read vehicle from Dighton were way off. He failed to use an evidence log for critical evidence. And this is all separate and apart from the practically nonexistent investigation itself.

He has a lot of damn gall demanding his job back.

Proctor will never get his job back. He likely knows that and is just going through the motions. MOO

 

[lohrtabitha]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1942736664725463395

Well,one thing he did differently was those text messages. No other officer did that. Those messages alone should be enough to keep him terminated. He's a sexist idiot who deserves to be in prison.

 

[sunshineray]

Right they did. They knew the jurrors would find her despicable. Imo

Despicable? How so? Because she wouldn't be bullied on the stand? Because she told the truth? Ever wonder why she wasn't called in the first trial?

 

[DustysMom]

If you are wondering about KR's civil trial, this below is a very informative extended interview between a podcast lawyer and KR's civil attorney. It shares how civil case procedures differ. KR lawyer provides a lot of behind-the-scenes info from the criminal case as well that he saw. He was in the courtroom a lot, observing the testimony. He shares how Brennan tried to use the civil case to gain access to testimony to use in the criminal case (that was really not supposed to be allowed) and how he stopped it. And much more.

One snippet: he said the civil case prep has already begun and will be a marathon process, with very much work, and the trial itself likely to be set to be held in early 2027. Yes, 2027!

Thanks for posting this- I loved Larry Foreman’s coverage of the KR trials. Gonna listen today.

 

[HarmonyE.]

Thanks for posting this- I loved Larry Foreman’s coverage of the KR trials. Gonna listen today.

His title here is a wee bit misleading. The interviewee was hired to represent Read's parents because Paul's attorneys wanted to depose them before the case was held up by the criminal case. He explains this in the interview; he's not Read's civil attorney.