GUILTY MA - Rachel, 27, & Lillian Entwistle, 9 mos, murdered, 20 Jan 2006

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Anyone who kills a woman and a baby, knowing that baby suffered, and still gets on the internet to surf for sex.... or look up an old girlfriend within days of the killing...
that's a cold blooded killer who had no intention of hurting himself. IMO

Whatever his intelligence level was hyped up to be with his degrees etc.. that doesn't mean he was intelligent enough to plan the murder out with all of its consequences or to plan out his getaway. LE has plenty of video and personal tales of intelligent criminals who do very stupid things.

I think he fantasized about killing Rachel and the baby, saw the opportunity to get the gun, and possibly had a timeframe to do it within so he kept it hidden close by. But something happened. Whether it was her finding out he was a fraud or he just had enough and wanted to go home or for whatever reason he did it.
Once the murders were done he took his time. He might have thought the flight went out that night but was mistaken but more than likely it was a "ok, they're dead. I have to leave, when's the next flight."

The way he left everything behind, packed no clothes, no suitcase, no laptop or other items, and when he got home dumped his wedding band, his wallet, American cash.... he was dumping his life here, wife and child included.

Neil Entwistle thinks too much of himself to a)hurt himself c)make himself suffer pain, injury, disability or death b)kill himself (he hasn't the guts).
 
  • #82
Anyone who kills a woman and a baby, knowing that baby suffered, and still gets on the internet to surf for sex.... or look up an old girlfriend within days of the killing...
that's a cold blooded killer who had no intention of hurting himself. IMO

Whatever his intelligence level was hyped up to be with his degrees etc.. that doesn't mean he was intelligent enough to plan the murder out with all of its consequences or to plan out his getaway. LE has plenty of video and personal tales of intelligent criminals who do very stupid things.

I think he fantasized about killing Rachel and the baby, saw the opportunity to get the gun, and possibly had a timeframe to do it within so he kept it hidden close by. But something happened. Whether it was her finding out he was a fraud or he just had enough and wanted to go home or for whatever reason he did it.
Once the murders were done he took his time. He might have thought the flight went out that night but was mistaken but more than likely it was a "ok, they're dead. I have to leave, when's the next flight."

The way he left everything behind, packed no clothes, no suitcase, no laptop or other items, and when he got home dumped his wedding band, his wallet, American cash.... he was dumping his life here, wife and child included.

Neil Entwistle thinks too much of himself to a)hurt himself c)make himself suffer pain, injury, disability or death b)kill himself (he hasn't the guts).

Great post Molly!:clap: I hadn't thought about him fantasizing about the murders. When you think of it, his entire life was a fantasy. That's why, I guess there was no plan in place after the murder. That fantasy coupled with his lack of emotional intelligience - no common sense/no street smarts.
 
  • #83
After killing them for some reason he became sexually aroused and went on the internet and possibly relieved himself. After that he scrambled to get the heck out of Dodge.

I think you have great insight. It seems to me that could well be the case.
 
  • #84
I think he fantasized about killing Rachel and the baby, saw the opportunity to get the gun, and possibly had a timeframe to do it within so he kept it hidden close by. But something happened.

I bow to you Molly. This has the ring of truth.

Regarding his 'intelligence', he had a degree from York, which is ok but not one of the topmost universities...and these days, anyone who is anyone has a degree of some kind, even if it's just in basket-weaving or picking the fluff from your own navel.
 
  • #85
I think you have great insight. It seems to me that could well be the case.

I would say that he's an addict from what I know about him so you have to throw this into the equation as well. Neil Entwistle is quite the specimen.:eek:
 
  • #86
I bow to you Molly. This has the ring of truth.

Regarding his 'intelligence', he had a degree from York, which is ok but not one of the topmost universities...and these days, anyone who is anyone has a degree of some kind, even if it's just in basket-weaving or picking the fluff from your own navel.

I think I read that he had his Masters which is a step up from a degree but I know what you mean about university standards. Thanks for letting us know about York. Now I'd like to know what kind of marks he had to have to get in there. Probably a C+ or something. Thinking about it now I bet the school he went to in Worksop didn't have a very good batting average and not hard for someone reasonably intelligent to make top of the class.

o/t - I was talking to my mum the other day about this case. She was an English warbride. I knew they met each other on a train but I've just learned that Dad was enroute from Worksop to London. Mum was travelling from Nottingham to wherever to go to a funeral. They married and celebrated their 63rd wedding anniversary this year. On the 60th, they got a letter from the Queen. That's framed on the wall!!
Just thought I'd throw that in for no particular reason!:crazy:
 
  • #87
Anyone who kills a woman and a baby, knowing that baby suffered, and still gets on the internet to surf for sex.... or look up an old girlfriend within days of the killing...
that's a cold blooded killer who had no intention of hurting himself. IMO

Whatever his intelligence level was hyped up to be with his degrees etc.. that doesn't mean he was intelligent enough to plan the murder out with all of its consequences or to plan out his getaway. LE has plenty of video and personal tales of intelligent criminals who do very stupid things.

I think he fantasized about killing Rachel and the baby, saw the opportunity to get the gun, and possibly had a timeframe to do it within so he kept it hidden close by. But something happened. Whether it was her finding out he was a fraud or he just had enough and wanted to go home or for whatever reason he did it.
Once the murders were done he took his time. He might have thought the flight went out that night but was mistaken but more than likely it was a "ok, they're dead. I have to leave, when's the next flight."

The way he left everything behind, packed no clothes, no suitcase, no laptop or other items, and when he got home dumped his wedding band, his wallet, American cash.... he was dumping his life here, wife and child included.

Neil Entwistle thinks too much of himself to a)hurt himself c)make himself suffer pain, injury, disability or death b)kill himself (he hasn't the guts).
I really agreee with what you've said here! From the way Rachel & Lillian were murdered by gunshot at such close range, to aim the gun at Rachel's head as she slept and to see Lillian laying there suffering then put a pillow over her to silence her, I believe only a person with ice in their veins could do. His actions afterward seemed like someone who was completely in control of what he was doing, not panic, and I think the part about leaving everything behind was just that ~ disposing of everything associated with his wife and baby and wanting to go back to the single life he knew in England before they were married. I had some doubt about it being planned to leave the computer and personal belongings behind until the testimony that he'd dumped the wallet & USD in the trash along with the wedding ring. After that, it all seemed to make sense.
 
  • #88
I think I read that he had his Masters which is a step up from a degree but I know what you mean about university standards. Thanks for letting us know about York. Now I'd like to know what kind of marks he had to have to get in there. Probably a C+ or something. Thinking about it now I bet the school he went to in Worksop didn't have a very good batting average and not hard for someone reasonably intelligent to make top of the class.

o/t - I was talking to my mum the other day about this case. She was an English warbride. I knew they met each other on a train but I've just learned that Dad was enroute from Worksop to London. Mum was travelling from Nottingham to wherever to go to a funeral. They married and celebrated their 63rd wedding anniversary this year. On the 60th, they got a letter from the Queen. That's framed on the wall!!
Just thought I'd throw that in for no particular reason!:crazy:
How nice to have received a letter from the Queen! :clap: It's interesting about NE's degree and what I've read in the beginning of the case, I believe an ex-coworker said he was good but not great, or something along those lines.
 
  • #89
They married and celebrated their 63rd wedding anniversary this year. On the 60th, they got a letter from the Queen. That's framed on the wall!!

o/t...o/t...o/t...

Congratulations to your parents. The queen sends greetings to every British couple that reaches their diamond wedding (though I believe you have to request it...she doesn't keep a list). I didn't know she did war-brides too, but I am pleased she does.

When my grandparents were coming up to their diamond wedding my mother wrote to the queen's offices to let them know. Then, when it was only a couple of days away, my grandmother fell down the stairs and, not to put too fine a point on it, she died. My mother had to write to say "Hold the certificate". A letter came back to say the queen was very sorry to hear what happened. That got framed and went on the wall.
 
  • #90
I really agreee with what you've said here! From the way Rachel & Lillian were murdered by gunshot at such close range, to aim the gun at Rachel's head as she slept and to see Lillian laying there suffering then put a pillow over her to silence her, I believe only a person with ice in their veins could do. His actions afterward seemed like someone who was completely in control of what he was doing, not panic... and I think the part about leaving everything behind was just that ~ disposing of everything associated with his wife and baby and wanting to go back to the single life he knew in England before they were married. I had some doubt about it being planned to leave the computer and personal belongings behind until the testimony that he'd dumped the wallet & USD in the trash along with the wedding ring. After that, it all seemed to make sense.

You're sooo right. I remember the photos at the ATM - he looked so ordinary!
 
  • #91
How nice to have received a letter from the Queen! :clap: It's interesting about NE's degree and what I've read in the beginning of the case, I believe an ex-coworker said he was good but not great, or something along those lines.

Yup! That's right. A lot of people at the company much better than him! (Thanks for the congrats!) (smile)
 
  • #92
o/t...o/t...o/t...

Congratulations to your parents. The queen sends greetings to every British couple that reaches their diamond wedding (though I believe you have to request it...she doesn't keep a list). I didn't know she did war-brides too, but I am pleased she does.

When my grandparents were coming up to their diamond wedding my mother wrote to the queen's offices to let them know. Then, when it was only a couple of days away, my grandmother fell down the stairs and, not to put too fine a point on it, she died. My mother had to write to say "Hold the certificate". A letter came back to say the queen was very sorry to hear what happened. That got framed and went on the wall.

Totally off topic -

Oh my goodness!:( How very sad. That was so nice of the Queen. I really like her you know since after Diana's funeral when she had to connect with the people.
Our member of parliament made the request for the certificate. I'm not sure if it has something to do with Canada being part of the Commonwealth or if it's any warbridge elsewhere.
 
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bwwaaaaaaaaaaaahhhaaaaaa! The least they can do. I hope him and SP are both having the time of their lives scared to death! Welcome to the real world Neil! LOL

ARTICLE AT THE END:
"As for Entwistle, the prison prank has apparently made him even more skittish than before.

Said one source: “He comes out very little.”
 
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I really agreee with what you've said here! From the way Rachel & Lillian were murdered by gunshot at such close range, to aim the gun at Rachel's head as she slept and to see Lillian laying there suffering then put a pillow over her to silence her, I believe only a person with ice in their veins could do. His actions afterward seemed like someone who was completely in control of what he was doing, not panic, and I think the part about leaving everything behind was just that ~ disposing of everything associated with his wife and baby and wanting to go back to the single life he knew in England before they were married. I had some doubt about it being planned to leave the computer and personal belongings behind until the testimony that he'd dumped the wallet & USD in the trash along with the wedding ring. After that, it all seemed to make sense.

I don't think Rachel was asleep when he killed her. The bath was full of water like she was about to give the baby a bath, and the t.v. was on, lights on, plates set for her meal with friends and dirty dishes in the sink. I think he held the gun on her and forced her and the baby into the room. I think she held the baby to protect Lillian. I think he shot her first and the GSR on Rachel's hands could have come from her grabbing the barrel to stop him from shooting, right as he shot her. I just re-read a book about him and was looking for updates. I hope he's rotting nicely!
 
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