MA - Remains of 3 infants found, Erika Murray charged, Blackstone, Sept 2014

  • #61
I was wondering how long those "friends" would want their face attached to this...

How did no one know?



*Actually I'm seeing the same amount of friends she had yesterday...83 people clearly don't care about possibly having their mug on tv. I do see some people removed their comments & I think one of them was her own mother.

IDK…I thought I remembered it in the 130's or 40's. Plus all the family members are definitely gone and others who were cousins or friends who were regularly commenting on her pages are gone too. Its only a matter of time before its completely gone again, IMO.

I can't even believe this story and wonder how that family, especially her mother, is able to process this news. Very Disturbing.
 
  • #62
The heroic neighbor who led to the rescue of four children — including a hidden-away toddler and 5-month-old baby girl — from a vermin-infested Blackstone home recalled the shocking discovery and how she tried to comfort the feces-and-maggot-covered children.

“I never would have guessed that was going on — ever,” the neighbor said of the atrocities inside the house where investigators this week found the remains of three dead infants.

The 41-year-old neighbor and mother of two, who asked the Herald to withhold her name, moved to the neighborhood a year ago. About six months ago, her 13-year-old son began playing with the 10-year-old son of Erika Murray, who was arraigned yesterday in Uxbridge District Court on charges of “fetal death concealment” and permitting substantial injury to a child.

The woman said she met the 31-year-old Murray for the first time two weeks ago. She gave Murray her phone number and suggested they get together sometime.

Murray looked puzzled and said: “I don’t have any friends.”

Murray asked if her son could come over the next day because she was going to the Cape.

The neighbor said yes and took the boys to lunch the next day. Later, she ran an errand while the boys played outside. But her son suddenly called her and told her, “I can’t get the babies to stop crying.”

She had no idea what he was talking about. She only knew of Murray’s son and 13-year-old daughter. She didn’t know the two younger children even existed.

The woman came home and went to Murray’s house. She had never been inside. She could “hear the babies” and asked Murray’s son where they were. The boy led her inside the filthy home and upstairs — and she found a 5-month-old baby girl on a bed in one room and a 3-year-old — who she believed to be a boy — on a bed in another room.

The children were crying, covered from head-to-toe in feces and maggots. The house was dark — sheets and blankets covered the windows — and stifling hot. There was no electricity or running water.

“They had been left there all day,” she said. Murray’s boy had been at her house since 10 a.m. and it was now 4:30 p.m. “I tried not to panic,” the woman said.

“It was the worst thing you could imagine and then it was probably a little bit worse than that,” she said.

She went into the baby’s room first, sweetly telling her that it was “going to be OK.” The 3-year-old was sitting up, rocking violently on the bed. She told him to be careful, she didn’t want him to hurt himself.

Then she called the cops. The dispatcher told her not to pick up the babies, so she stood in between the two rooms, comforting them. When the first cop finally arrived, she asked to pick up the baby girl — and got the OK. She stepped on dirty diapers and piles of “stuff” — she didn’t know what it was — to reach her. When she leaned over, the baby was excited to see her. Her nails were long, her stomach swollen. “She was very cute. She liked to be held,” she said. “She was desperate to be held.”

The woman stripped off the baby’s soiled clothes and took off her own tank top to clean her up. “There was nothing clean in the house to wipe the baby with,” she said.

The baby giggled when she played peek-a-boo and the woman told her “things were going to be better.” She tried to talk to the long, curly-haired 3-year-old tot, who appeared small for his age, but he didn’t speak. He was soaking wet and looked afraid, his bed so soiled it sunk in the middle.

A cop asked her what was inside a door behind her in the hallway — she didn’t know — and when he opened it, there was a “horrible smell.” The officer told her to put the baby down and leave. So she did.

“I was scared to death,” she said, “and in shock.”

Murray was outside. The distraught neighbor confronted Murray and asked her what she was thinking. Murray said she didn’t know why she was so upset because she’d only left the children for a few hours.

Later, the woman said her son told her he had washed maggots out of the baby’s bottle earlier that day.
http://bostonherald.com/news_opinio..._neighbor_on_blackstone_horror_i_tried_not_to

Took me quite awhile to finish reading this, my eyes were leaking...and my stomach ...knots.

I am beyond words.....oh the horror ....




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  • #63
Sad. Disgusting. Hope she gets the help she needs.
 
  • #64
*thud*

That is really something.

I bet the down stairs of the house was mostly normal, just very cluttered, and the upstairs contained all the trash. Like she shut the door to the stairs and that made it not exist.
 
  • #65
  • #66
June 11 2014 she posts that some people really should not be parents???

Pot meet kettle please!
 
  • #67
That is so upsetting. And so upsetting for the nice neighbors child to have to witness. Wow, you never now what is going on in your neighbors homes.
 
  • #68
This whole situation is so bizarre. This woman's mother and family never entered the house? if i told my mom that she couldn't come in my house, by god she would enter anyway. She hid the pregnancies from everyone? I simply do not think that her family members and or boyfriend who lived in the same house should get a get out of jail free card. The more that i read and think about this case, the sadder it becomes. Those two older children, it sounds were left to care for the other younger ones...without knowing exactly how to or the realization of the importance of food and hygiene. I certainly hope that these children were not the caretakers of these babies when the died. What these older children have endured it unspeakable. did they think that this was how every family lived or were they told to do what they were told and be quiet. I hope these children get a fresh start at a "normal" life. Noone will ever convince me that someone living in the basement wouldn't know what was going on in the same house. The stench alone would of made me investigate. It is said that she has a mental illness....well there you go.......excuses are like a'' holes and everyone has a couple....no excuse.
 
  • #69
Omg... Reading the neighbors account of finding the babies made me feel ill.

I'm trying to understand why she hid them to begin with. If he did not want anymore children, why not prevent future pregnancies?!

I don't understand when people continue to have children they do not want or cannot afford.

I really want to hear from "the man she was living with". Does that mean he isn't her boyfriend? Just have kids and live together?


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  • #70
Omg... Reading the neighbors account of finding the babies made me feel ill.

I'm trying to understand why she hid them to begin with. If he did not want anymore children, why not prevent future pregnancies?!

I don't understand when people continue to have children they do not want or cannot afford.

I really want to hear from "the man she was living with". Does that mean he isn't her boyfriend? Just have kids and live together?


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She lived less than 1/4 mile from a police and fire station, both would take a newborn with the Baby Save haven law. I think she ignored the pregnancies, ignored the babies, they "went away." but 2 lived. Somehow. Yet she continued to ignore them.
 
  • #71
This whole situation is so bizarre. This woman's mother and family never entered the house? if i told my mom that she couldn't come in my house, by god she would enter anyway. She hid the pregnancies from everyone? I simply do not think that her family members and or boyfriend who lived in the same house should get a get out of jail free card. The more that i read and think about this case, the sadder it becomes. Those two older children, it sounds were left to care for the other younger ones...without knowing exactly how to or the realization of the importance of food and hygiene. I certainly hope that these children were not the caretakers of these babies when the died. What these older children have endured it unspeakable. did they think that this was how every family lived or were they told to do what they were told and be quiet. I hope these children get a fresh start at a "normal" life. Noone will ever convince me that someone living in the basement wouldn't know what was going on in the same house. The stench alone would of made me investigate. It is said that she has a mental illness....well there you go.......excuses are like a'' holes and everyone has a couple....no excuse.

One thing that strikes me is the BBM from yours and it made me think of the reality shows on TLC and such called Hoarders, etc. What is notable in those homes which had children growing up in such deplorable conditions is that they learn from an early age that their homes are NOT like everyone else's and they are discouraged from ever having friends inside, ever calling 911 in an emergency because "if people find out you will be taken away from me and sent to live in a foster home" or "we will lose our home and have nowhere" or things of that nature. Children who grow up in homes that are unfit learn very quickly how to carry the shame quietly and avoid that detection. It is a horrible burden to place on children, making them "responsible" for the possible ruination/separation of the family.

Often when younger they try to keep the house or at least their own area of it clean, craving that clean space. But by the time they are older children they have long since given up if they ever did try because it is so hopeless and impossible to keep such a home clean when the rest of the occupants are simply okay with living this way or have become numb to it.
 
  • #72
what evidence do we have of boyfriend living in basement? A Rivera owns the house and fathered the older 2, but do we have any concrete evidence he lived there other than her?
 
  • #73
One thing that strikes me is the BBM from yours and it made me think of the reality shows on TLC and such called Hoarders, etc. What is notable in those homes which had children growing up in such deplorable conditions is that they learn from an early age that their homes are NOT like everyone else's and they are discouraged from ever having friends inside, ever calling 911 in an emergency because "if people find out you will be taken away from me and sent to live in a foster home" or "we will lose our home and have nowhere" or things of that nature. Children who grow up in homes that are unfit learn very quickly how to carry the shame quietly and avoid that detection. It is a horrible burden to place on children, making them "responsible" for the possible ruination/separation of the family.

Often when younger they try to keep the house or at least their own area of it clean, craving that clean space. But by the time they are older children they have long since given up if they ever did try because it is so hopeless and impossible to keep such a home clean when the rest of the occupants are simply okay with living this way or have become numb to it.

I can't even begin to image what those older children's lives were like, what she told them about the babies...
I'm shocked the neighbors son wasn't horrified upon first laying eyes on those babies. So thankful he CARED enough to request help soothing them so they wouldn't cry....and he cleaned MAGGOTS out a baby bottle...

I just can't imagine ...


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  • #74
just some neighbors interviewed who state she a boyfriend and two oldest children lived there (the 13 and 10 year old)

According to neighbors and public records, 31-year-old Erika Murray and her boyfriend Raymond Rivera live at the home. Authorities will not say if or how they may be connected to the four children removed from the residence, or the remains of the infants discovered there. However, Murray was arrested Thursday evening in connection with the conditions of the home and will be arraigned on intimidation of a witness and other charges Friday morning in Uxbridge District Court.

http://www.myfoxboston.com/story/26509174/police-investigating-vermin-infested-blackstone-home

Up until two weeks ago, Murray had kept up a facade that she enjoyed a pleasant domestic life in a home occupied only by a man identified by neighbors and friends as Ramon Rivera III and their two school-age children. The Globe’s efforts to reach Rivera Friday were unsuccessful.

SNIP

When questioned by authorities, Murray allegedly said she was the mother of the four children, but that she never told Rivera that he was the father of two additional children, according to the state investigator. She said she hid those pregnancies by wearing loose-fitting clothes.

http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2014/09/12/mother-blackstone-case-appears-have-led-double-life/0ob0AUIGHmMb4b3FsIbPLJ/story.html

Team 5 Investigates learned a social worker went to the Blackstone home in 2007 and interviewed parents Erika Murray and Raymond Rivera, as well as the two children, but there was no evidence of abuse and neglect and a case was never opened.



Read more: http://www.wcvb.com/news/team-5-dcf-investigated-blackstone-family-in-2007/28041180#ixzz3DDI2fMcx

I guess it depends on what you would consider concrete. neighbor accounts, public records, the 2007 investigation by DHS which suggests his occupancy at that point, etc.

ETA I gather Rivera IS the boyfriend but don't know where he is alleged to lived inside the home, just that he reportedly did.
 
  • #75
Questions I have:

Murray alleges that Rivera is the father of the two youngest children as well and who knows if he also fathered the 3 dead infants. Murray claims she never told Rivera he was the father of the two youngest living children and apparently went to great lengths to pretend she was simply babysitting those children for a fake person Michelle.

She claims she hid the pregnancies with baggy clothes etc. FIVE total pregnancies hidden over the years with baggy clothes?? FIVE separate presumably at home births given while hidden from Rivera who reportedly live right there in the home??

It just boggles the mind. Did they lead completely separate lives only getting together to have sex? Did he reside in some separate area of the home? Was he absent or on the road a lot for work or some reason?

Not sleuthing the dude but trying to connect the dots as to how if he was an occupant of the home and presumably father of all the children, living and dead, within it - how could he be so very unaware?? the story that she was just babysitting those youngest two living children would seem to suggest he only recently became aware of them inside the home. One of them is 3 for goodness sake?? how did that work.

Lots and lots of questions still to be answered about this case.
 
  • #76
The home is now condemned and Erika has been living in her parents home since the children were removed. I would imagine R. Rivera had to find another place to live as well. If the home is as described, noone would be allowed to take anything out due to contamination. The oldest kids will not be able to take any belongings, and unless they can be appropriately cleaned - they will never have any of their favorite things. The 3 y/o sounds as if she suffered the most neglect - I am profoundly devastated by the neighbors description of that child. The violent rocking sounds exactly like the children they found in the Romanian orphanages with profound attachment disorder and significant mental health/physical/medical/emotional deficits as a direct result of inappropriate care provisions and lack of a primary care provider. The 5 month old still has hope for a "normal" life but I am not nearly as hopeful for the 3 y/o. What must the older 2 children must be thinking as well? (Something like . . . Thank god she likes us!)
 
  • #77
“That definitely is an indicator of greater severity,” said Boston University Assistant Professor David Langer.

“Hoarding dirty diapers is a level of severity that’s far greater than magazines, old letters, and schoolwork,” explained Langer, who is also a researcher with BU’s Center for Anxiety and Related Disorders.

He said it is important to note that the disorder of hoarding, if applicable in this case, would be completely unconnected to the discovery of the three dead infants police say they found in Murray’s house.

“That’s not something that we typically see with hoarding,” Langer said. “That sounds like, I would imagine, there’s a lot going on there and a lot of issues at play.”

http://boston.cbslocal.com/2014/09/...e-house-of-squalor-case-goes-beyong-hoarding/

got that right.
 
  • #78
I knew a woman who hid her pregnancy from her boyfriend/co-workers/friends/roommates until she delivered the baby. She & he slept in the same bed and he said thought her tummy had gotten a little bigger - but she was a big girl to begin with and one who lost weight during the pregnancy. I think there has to be a significant amount of denial on the part of the boyfriend.
 
  • #79
The home is now condemned and Erika has been living in her parents home since the children were removed. I would imagine R. Rivera had to find another place to live as well. If the home is as described, noone would be allowed to take anything out due to contamination. The oldest kids will not be able to take any belongings, and unless they can be appropriately cleaned - they will never have any of their favorite things. The 3 y/o sounds as if she suffered the most neglect - I am profoundly devastated by the neighbors description of that child. The violent rocking sounds exactly like the children they found in the Romanian orphanages with profound attachment disorder and significant mental health/physical/medical/emotional deficits as a direct result of inappropriate care provisions and lack of a primary care provider. The 5 month old still has hope for a "normal" life but I am not nearly as hopeful for the 3 y/o. What must the older 2 children must be thinking as well? (Something like . . . Thank god she likes us!)

this :( The neighbors account was so disturbing and heartbreaking. Bless that woman. I hope she knows she saved those children's lives. They were, after all just being "babysat" by Murray. This makes me think the jig was up and eventually they were destined to go away like the dead infants. How long can one "babysit" a fictitious person's children before a boyfriend asks when they are returning to the own mother? Those children would have been dead very soon had that woman not intervened.

I will speculate that Murray is deeply disturbed and that she killed every one of those infants by simple acts of omission. She ignored and neglected them to death. Just let them lay there til they starved to death. It probably only took days if she never once fed them. Horrific. Just awful to try to wrap your head around.

ETA which makes one wonder why were the two youngest found alive allowed to live? Was it because the older children were aware of them and therefore they could not be disappeared? Were they cautioned they could not tell their father about them?

Again, so many questions.
 
  • #80
Murray’s Facebook profile, meantime, paints a picture of a wonderful home life. Featured photos include the family cat, homemade bread, and kids’ artwork on display. At one point this summer, Murray posted on her page, “Some people should not be parents!”
If some might find a comment like that to be unexpected from a woman whose closets allegedly contained the decomposing bodies of three of her own babies, Langer says it might suggest Murray was not aware there was a problem in her house

http://boston.cbslocal.com/2014/09/...e-house-of-squalor-case-goes-beyong-hoarding/

I am going to go out on a limb and say it suggests she was not aware there was problem in her head and her heart.
 

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