MA MA - Sandra Crispo, 54, Hanson, 7 Aug 2019 #3

[BostonTimes]

Could not be random. It would be one thing to kill someone in that home considering the close proximity of houses and another thing trying to move a body. Does anyone know if the ring cameras on folks houses saw anything including Sandra being brought home?There was a huge time gap from that wed at 5 pm when Sandra was "dropped off home" to Friday evening when police were notified. 48 hours I'd say. from the video we can see Sandra sure had to walk a distance after she left Cumberlands to get in the truck.

 

[Yemelyan]

Another new article with some details about how LE canvassed the area when she disappeared:

Daughter of missing Hanson woman searching for answers 2 years after disappearance

Plymouth County District Attorney Timothy Cruz said in a statement:

“Massachusetts State Police assigned to the Plymouth County District Attorney’s Office have been actively working in conjunction with Hanson Police to locate Sandra Crispo.

The extensive efforts of investigators include but are not limited to: canvassing 16 area streets, reviewing video surveillance available from the area, performing more than 200 door-knock interviews, inquiring with the MBTA and rideshare services operating in the vicinity of Hanson, utilizing canines, the State Police Airwing, and underwater drones for searches of woods and swamp, and following up on any leads received.

This is the first time I've heard that they investigated how she might have left the vicinity via public transportation or ride share.

 

[Curiosity1234]

Another new article with some details about how LE canvassed the area when she disappeared:

Daughter of missing Hanson woman searching for answers 2 years after disappearance

Plymouth County District Attorney Timothy Cruz said in a statement:

“Massachusetts State Police assigned to the Plymouth County District Attorney’s Office have been actively working in conjunction with Hanson Police to locate Sandra Crispo.

The extensive efforts of investigators include but are not limited to: canvassing 16 area streets, reviewing video surveillance available from the area, performing more than 200 door-knock interviews, inquiring with the MBTA and rideshare services operating in the vicinity of Hanson, utilizing canines, the State Police Airwing, and underwater drones for searches of woods and swamp, and following up on any leads received.

This is the first time I've heard that they investigated how she might have left the vicinity via public transportation or ride share.

It appears LE did a lot more investigating than originally thought and it appears there is still no evidence of a crime or foul play that we know of. I think it's more than a coincidence that she disappeared when she had no vehicle at her disposal. Someone might have inadvertantly (innocently) passed on the "home with no vehicle" information along to the wrong person.

 

[Dotrat]

Another new article with some details about how LE canvassed the area when she disappeared:

Daughter of missing Hanson woman searching for answers 2 years after disappearance

Plymouth County District Attorney Timothy Cruz said in a statement:

“Massachusetts State Police assigned to the Plymouth County District Attorney’s Office have been actively working in conjunction with Hanson Police to locate Sandra Crispo.

The extensive efforts of investigators include but are not limited to: canvassing 16 area streets, reviewing video surveillance available from the area, performing more than 200 door-knock interviews, inquiring with the MBTA and rideshare services operating in the vicinity of Hanson, utilizing canines, the State Police Airwing, and underwater drones for searches of woods and swamp, and following up on any leads received.

This is the first time I've heard that they investigated how she might have left the vicinity via public transportation or ride share.

This is new and MOO I guess they would have to check all options one would have, I can understand public transport but unless someone else ordered her the ride-share I can’t see how she could have used it unless you can flag one down like a cab. Wondering is a cab considered ride share?

 

[BostonTimes]

It appears LE did a lot more investigating than originally thought and it appears there is still no evidence of a crime or foul play that we know of. I think it's more than a coincidence that she disappeared when she had no vehicle at her disposal. Someone might have inadvertantly (innocently) passed on the "home with no vehicle" information along to the wrong person.

Passing Info there was no no vehicle ranged from 5 pm until 5:30 and don't forget lights were still on so it was likely it was dark when something happened. Was someone hiding in her home but still to take a body out even in the dark at 2 am is risky in that neighborhood and if other vehicles went down Sanders road I'm sure the ring cameras would pick it up. Did she make it home? Ring cameras had to pick up the sils vehicle otherwise wouldn't he be suspect. How many scenarios are there possible?

 

[Yemelyan]

This is new and MOO I guess they would have to check all options one would have, I can understand public transport but unless someone else ordered her the ride-share I can’t see how she could have used it unless you can flag one down like a cab. Wondering is a cab considered ride share?

Someone would have had to order her a ride share that showed up to take her someplace or alternatively arrive/leave in one with her. Drivers are only supposed to pick up rides through the affiliated app. It would be against company rules to pick up someone flagging you down. (Most ride share drivers wouldn't commit to a ride without knowing in advance where the person was going.)

Ride share typically means the operator is also the owner of the personal vehicle, to distinguish it from a taxi/taxi service.

 

[BostonTimes]

Someone would have had to order her a ride share that showed up to take her someplace or alternatively arrive/leave in one with her. Drivers are only supposed to pick up rides through the affiliated app. It would be against company rules to pick up someone flagging you down. (Most ride share drivers wouldn't commit to a ride without knowing in advance where the person was going.)

Ride share typically means the operator is also the owner of the personal vehicle, to distinguish it from a taxi/taxi service.

Why would ride share be an option?

 

[Yemelyan]

Why would ride share be an option?

We don't know why it would be an option, we only know from the latest article that Hanson PD thought it was enough of an option that they needed to explore it when Sandra first went missing.

 

[MimosaMornings]

What if someone took a rideshare to Sandra’s house?
JMO

 

[Yemelyan]

What if someone took a rideshare to Sandra’s house?
JMO

I think this is definitely something LE was exploring. I think they possibly asked Lyft and Uber to look through records of rides starting or ending in Hanson anywhere near the vicinity of her house.

 

[BostonTimes]

Someone would have had to order her a ride share that showed up to take her someplace or alternatively arrive/leave in one with her. Drivers are only supposed to pick up rides through the affiliated app. It would be against company rules to pick up someone flagging you down. (Most ride share drivers wouldn't commit to a ride without knowing in advance where the person was going.)

Ride share typically means the operator is also the owner of the personal vehicle, to distinguish it from a taxi/taxi service.

I'd imagine he neighbors ring camera would pick up a vehicle passing in that direction and the police would look onto. From what has been said there was no activity on the neighbors ring cameras.

 

[Yemelyan]

I'd imagine he neighbors ring camera would pick up a vehicle passing in that direction and the police would look onto. From what has been said there was no activity on the neighbors ring cameras.

Speaking as someone who has taken many lyfts/ubers, you don't always input an address exactly at the location where you physically are or plan to be. Depending on the situation, you can ask them to pick you up at a main street/intersection instead of your driveway, for example. Sometimes you may ask to be dropped at one place and then you'll walk the rest of the way.

That's why I wrote "anywhere in the vicinity of her house." One would not expect a ton of rideshare activity in Hanson overall so it would be interesting to know who came and went from anywhere nearby - not necessarily just her driveway or street.

 

[HarmonyE.]

I'd imagine he neighbors ring camera would pick up a vehicle passing in that direction and the police would look onto. From what has been said there was no activity on the neighbors ring cameras.

Aren't Ring cameras just doorbell cameras? I think a more sophisticated system would be needed to pick up vehicle traffic in the area and we haven't heard if there were any.

Checking Ubers, Lyfts, taxis, and MBTA trains must be standard activities when searching for a missing person (there is a train to Quincy/Boston a couple of miles from Sandra's neighborhood). As the police appear to have no reason to believe a crime was committed, it may be that they never checked for unknown fingerprints in the house or any GPS activity on vehicles or phones owned by anyone in Sandra's circle.

 

[keek]

Why would ride share be an option?[/QUOTE

Aren't Ring cameras just doorbell cameras? I think a more sophisticated system would be needed to pick up vehicle traffic in the area and we haven't heard if there were any.

Checking Ubers, Lyfts, taxis, and MBTA trains must be standard activities when searching for a missing person (there is a train to Quincy/Boston a couple of miles from Sandra's neighborhood). As the police appear to have no reason to believe a crime was committed, it may be that they never checked for unknown fingerprints in the house or any GPS activity on vehicles or phones owned by anyone in Sandra's circle.

No, it seems the HPD didn't believe a crime was committed even though her daughter expressed great concern over the situation as she knew her mother's ways regarding her dog and other things. BUT, what made the police check out homeless gatherings in Brockton and Fall river quickly. Very different picture they had it seems than what her daughter had put out to the public. Did someone suggest that idea to them or had they run a profile on Sandra. When I first heard that they were checking out the homeless camps/ gatherings, I thought it was because those were places that Sandra went to help the people there. This was due to her daughter's description of her mother we were given as stay at home grandmother, no cell, no technology and just a sweet type of person. Just remembering initial beliefs of Sandra and her life two years ago when this happened.

 

[Yemelyan]

No, it seems the HPD didn't believe a crime was committed even though her daughter expressed great concern over the situation as she knew her mother's ways regarding her dog and other things. BUT, what made the police check out homeless gatherings in Brockton and Fall river quickly. Very different picture they had it seems than what her daughter had put out to the public. Did someone suggest that idea to them or had they run a profile on Sandra. When I first heard that they were checking out the homeless camps/ gatherings, I thought it was because those were places that Sandra went to help the people there. This was due to her daughter's description of her mother we were given as stay at home grandmother, no cell, no technology and just a sweet type of person. Just remembering initial beliefs of Sandra and her life two years ago when this happened.

It wasn't due to any charitable activity IMO.

The official story in MSM is that people started making reports of seeing a woman who fit Sandra's description living with the homeless in Fall River, MA:

In recent weeks, police had received tips that Crispo was seen in Fall River. Hanson police have been working with Fall River police detectives to follow up on potential sightings and have visited areas of the city to see if she is staying there, but Miksch said none of those leads have led them to Crispo.

“We can’t rule out it was her on one of them, but we also can’t get a positive ID,” Miksch said. “Fall River is still very much aware and checking areas to see if she decided to pop in with the homeless population. We’ve also put alerts out to Brockton and Boston.”

'Essentially no trace' of former Quincy woman, daughter says

The fact that this was considered possibly credible information - and that the alerts were expanded to homeless populations in Brockton and Boston - could be due to facts that we aren't privy to. But no one knows.

 

[keek]

It wasn't due to any charitable activity IMO.

The official story in MSM is that people started making reports of seeing a woman who fit Sandra's description living with the homeless in Fall River, MA:

In recent weeks, police had received tips that Crispo was seen in Fall River. Hanson police have been working with Fall River police detectives to follow up on potential sightings and have visited areas of the city to see if she is staying there, but Miksch said none of those leads have led them to Crispo.

“We can’t rule out it was her on one of them, but we also can’t get a positive ID,” Miksch said. “Fall River is still very much aware and checking areas to see if she decided to pop in with the homeless population. We’ve also put alerts out to Brockton and Boston.”

'Essentially no trace' of former Quincy woman, daughter says

The fact that this was considered possibly credible information - and that the alerts were expanded to homeless populations in Brockton and Boston - could be due to facts that we aren't privy to. But no one knows.

Oh so right, charitable activity was first thought due to her initial description as a person by her daughter/SIL I had forgotten that those searches were based on tips, not by what LE may have found in a background check. Just waiting as both HPD and Sandra's daughter both have said recently that there were promising leads. I hope they do make a difference.

 

[CTPDMom]

I don't think she voluntarily went missing. Her dog was traumatized, that's a huge indicator, imo, that something went on in the home that wasn't good.

 

[HarmonyE.]

I don't think she voluntarily went missing. Her dog was traumatized, that's a huge indicator, imo, that something went on in the home that wasn't good.

Problem is, the police have never agreed with this. They don't have evidence anything violent happened in the home and nearby neighbors heard no yelling or scuffling. The dog must have been hungry and very thirsty after nearly 2 days alone. While anything is possible in this case, it seems more likely that when Sandra last left her house, she left voluntarily, although probably not with the intent to go missing.

 

[BostonTimes]

Problem is, the police have never agreed with this. They don't have evidence anything violent happened in the home and nearby neighbors heard no yelling or scuffling. The dog must have been hungry and very thirsty after nearly 2 days alone. While anything is possible in this case, it seems more likely that when Sandra last left her house, she left voluntarily, although probably not with the intent to go missing.

Harmony what you said is the truth. Neither local police or state police found anything. I've always wondered if liminal was used but never got that answer for some reason wouldn't that habe put this home as a question of a crime scene at rest. The more I think of it the more she either never made it home or went willingly as you said but with intent to return home.

 

[Yemelyan]

I have thought from very early on that she left that night willingly and she never thought that she would not make it back home.