MA MA - Sandra Crispo, 54, Hanson, 7 August 2019 #2

[annpats]

interesting that Sandra went missing on the night she was supposed to spend the night with Cousin T. Aren't they a little old for that haha? What happened at these sleepovers?

I just think it was a chance for Sandra to get out of the house and spend some time with someone she knew, other than her daughter and family.
I don't think it was a "sleepover" in the teenage sense, just visiting a cousin and staying there for a night or two.

 

[Curiosity1234]

I just think it was a chance for Sandra to get out of the house and spend some time with someone she knew, other than her daughter and family.
I don't think it was a "sleepover" in the teenage sense, just visiting a cousin and staying there for a night or two.

I totally agree. A sleepover at 54 is totally different than a teenagers sleepover. It was a change of SC's every day environment and an opportunity to spend time with someone whose company she enjoyed.

 

[HarmonyE.]

She probably didn't walk away. We know she didn't drive away. The police didn't think the house was crime scene, despite what the daughter says she found later or the single allegedly missing sheet. If she made it back into her house after dropping off her car (SIL says he didn't see her go in), then the most likely scenario is that she got in a car, probably with someone she knew.

 

[MimosaMornings]

I admit I have not listened to the podcast. However I do find it interesting that Sandra went missing on the night she was supposed to spend the night with Cousin T. Aren't they a little old for that haha? What happened at these sleepovers? Who knew of these plans? Did Sandra's daughter know? One thing we do agree on is that IF this was foul play, it was planned.

Not sleuthing but just remarking and wondering... I hate wading into the cesspool of social media but maybe I'll take a gander.

I haven’t listened to the podcast either, I have to be able to hear what’s going on - easy to sneak a read/post here and there.

 

[BostonTimes]

What we do know is the car repairs were planned and the sleep over was planned. Also the Sil explained they call the night before ("that's how They or he rolls") whoever is going to watch the kids the next day to make sure everything is all set. So LM couldn't reach her mother Sandra Thursday or Friday morning That is fact, fact LM went over Friday morning after her call to Sandra was not answered. LM got to sandtras house and sandra not found. Fact LM dropped her kids off with Sandras sister then went to work; got out early and had her husband go to Hanson pd to file a missing person. Fact 48 hours now has gone by before police notified. In my opinion, it was planned, Sandras house is situated in a clustered area. Who knew Sandra was alone! it is awful that she isn't found.

 

[BostonTimes]

I haven’t listened to the podcast either, I have to be able to hear what’s going on - easy to sneak a read/post here and there.

You really need to listen to the podcasts. Imo its not fair to discussion

 

[annpats]

She probably didn't walk away. We know she didn't drive away. The police didn't think the house was crime scene, the most likely scenario is that she got in a car, probably with someone she knew.

I agree with all of this. The thing is with getting into a car with someone she knew, is that she didn't really know anyone - the only people she knew locally were her daughter and SIL.

Which comes back to them again, doesn't it? It makes it look like they're the perps. Which, of course, has been mentioned many times.

But who else? She didn't know anyone, not even her neighbours. She had no social circle and knew no-one locally. She didn't even go to the car workshop to get her car fixed by herself.

 

[detectorhector]

I agree with all of this. The thing is with getting into a car with someone she knew, is that she didn't really know anyone - the only people she knew locally were her daughter and SIL.

Which comes back to them again, doesn't it? It makes it look like they're the perps. Which, of course, has been mentioned many times.

But who else? She didn't know anyone, not even her neighbours. She had no social circle and knew no-one locally. She didn't even go to the car workshop to get her car fixed by herself.

Her social circle was small, but not THAT small. She knew more than just her daughter and her daughter's husband. She knew and socialized with at least a few of her siblings and cousins. This is talked about in The Vanished podcast. Laina said she called Sandra's sister as back up childcare, so she must not live too far away. Her cousin Terese says in the podcast that she lives in Hanover, and that's also close by. Even Quincy isn't all that far away.

 

[detectorhector]

I admit I have not listened to the podcast. However I do find it interesting that Sandra went missing on the night she was supposed to spend the night with Cousin T. Aren't they a little old for that haha? What happened at these sleepovers? Who knew of these plans? Did Sandra's daughter know? One thing we do agree on is that IF this was foul play, it was planned.

Not sleuthing but just remarking and wondering... I hate wading into the cesspool of social media but maybe I'll take a gander.

I'm taking another listen to The Vanished podcast and her cousin T said they spent summers together at that cottage through their childhood. It's probably fond memories, plus it's possible she just doesn't want to drive her home late night.

 

[detectorhector]

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She says she lives in Hanover in The Vanished podcast.

 

[BostonTimes]

She says she lives in Hanover in The Vanished podcast. <modsnip>

Hanover is 5 minutes away and Plymouth is big so anywhere from 1/2 to an hour away. <modsnip> I believe T lived closer to the hour mark away so it does make sense to stay over.

 

[detectorhector]

Hanover is 5 minutes away and Plymouth is big so anywhere from 1/2 to an hour away. <modsnip> I believe T lived closer to the hour mark away so it does make sense to stay over.

Hanover is two towns away, so 5 minutes is an exaggeration. I have no idea if she has two houses, but in The Vanished podcast she says she lives in Hanover. It's probably a little after 7:30 EPISODE 269: Sandra Crispo — The Vanished Podcast she says "We lived in Hanover and they lived in Quincy, and we had a summer place, a summer cottage. So, like in the summertime my mother would go pick up her kids, Linda and Sandra, and get them up and then bring them down to the cottage, because we used to live on a pond. That’s where I live now." Oh wait- maybe she lived in Hanover but the summer cottage was not necessarily in Hanover. Plymouth definitely has tons of ponds.
Did searchers only search ponds near Sandra's house, or did they also search any ponds near family's houses as well I wonder...Though I doubt she's in a pond because I feel like she would have been found by now if that were the case...

 

[annpats]

Her social circle was small, but not THAT small. She knew more than just her daughter and her daughter's husband. She knew and socialized with at least a few of her siblings and cousins.

Siblings and cousins? Well, I wasn't really including family in her social circle....to me a social circle are people who are not related, but are friendly and meet up.....neighbours, acquaintances, work colleagues, dorm mates, buddies, other Moms through schools, etc. etc.

And Sandra didn't seem to have any of those!

Her only contact seemed to be with family.

 

[BostonTimes]

Hanover is two towns away, so 5 minutes is an exaggeration. I have no idea if she has two houses, but in The Vanished podcast she says she lives in Hanover. It's probably a little after 7:30 EPISODE 269: Sandra Crispo — The Vanished Podcast she says "We lived in Hanover and they lived in Quincy, and we had a summer place, a summer cottage. So, like in the summertime my mother would go pick up her kids, Linda and Sandra, and get them up and then bring them down to the cottage, because we used to live on a pond. That’s where I live now." Oh wait- maybe she lived in Hanover but the summer cottage was not necessarily in Hanover. Plymouth definitely has tons of ponds.
Did searchers only search ponds near Sandra's house, or did they also search any ponds near family's houses as well I wonder...Though I doubt she's in a pond because I feel like she would have been found by now if that were the case...

Sandras lived close to her daughter in Pembroke. <Mod Snip>

 

[keek]

Siblings and cousins? Well, I wasn't really including family in her social circle....to me a social circle are people who are not related, but are friendly and meet up.....neighbours, acquaintances, work colleagues, dorm mates, buddies, other Moms through schools, etc. etc.

And Sandra didn't seem to have any of those!

Her only contact seemed to be with family.

That we or even her daughter knew of. Big time lapse with daughter over the years and mothers have their own personal lives that aren't always KNOWN to their children, especially as adults. Just separate interests, lifestyles, so plenty of room over the years for all types of acquaintanses she may still have been in touch with even sporadically, or them with her, even though she moved out of Quincy recently. I believe her son lives in Quincy.
The missing sheet is very telling to me though and the dropped bed slats, that there was an altercation soon after Sandra was dropped off, within a couple hours.
I believe involving money for sure, the cash, for whatever reason, and the person knew she had it on hand. Nothing definite on former or current 'hidden' lifestyle, that it was wanted for or used for by either Sandra or the person/people that truly last were with her. IMO Just a sad loss for her family and grandsons.

 

[detectorhector]

Siblings and cousins? Well, I wasn't really including family in her social circle....to me a social circle are people who are not related, but are friendly and meet up.....neighbours, acquaintances, work colleagues, dorm mates, buddies, other Moms through schools, etc. etc.

And Sandra didn't seem to have any of those!

Her only contact seemed to be with family.

She sounds like she was an introvert. Large social circles are more of an extrovert thing. She never had a job to have work friends or went to college to have dorm mates. She wasn't on social media. Introverts aren't into small talk and socializing with random people.

 

[detectorhector]

Sandras lived close to her daughter in Pembroke. On the way to Sandras daughters, if you take the left before you reach her daughters st you end up at Broadway in Hanover route 53

This all seems moot since T's summer cottage doesn't seem to be in Hanover. But there is no way you're getting to the Hanover line from Sandra's house in 5 minutes, lol.

 

[HarmonyE.]

That we or even her daughter knew of. Big time lapse with daughter over the years and mothers have their own personal lives that aren't always KNOWN to their children, especially as adults. Just separate interests, lifestyles, so plenty of room over the years for all types of acquaintanses she may still have been in touch with even sporadically, or them with her, even though she moved out of Quincy recently. I believe her son lives in Quincy.
The missing sheet is very telling to me though and the dropped bed slats, that there was an altercation soon after Sandra was dropped off, within a couple hours.
I believe involving money for sure, the cash, for whatever reason, and the person knew she had it on hand. Nothing definite on former or current 'hidden' lifestyle, that it was wanted for or used for by either Sandra or the person/people that truly last were with her. IMO

I totally agree that it is possible - if not probable - that Sandra could have known people her daughter did not. And in southeastern MA, she had siblings, an ex-husband, a son, presumably other cousins, in addition to people these people could have introduced her to over the years when she wasn't seeing much of her daughter. I'm not convinced there was an altercation inside the house though. One possible - but not definite - missing sheet and a loose bed slat don't necessarily indicate a struggle and they could be explained by toddlers jumping on or wetting the bed. I recall that Sandra's daughter said she was planning on making up the second bedroom for them in the future but at the time they were probably using her room for naptime. And little boys do love jumping on beds.

But the primary reason I don't think the house was a crime scene is that there was no indication of a violent assault against Sandra. Which means she almost certainly would have had to have been kidnapped. Kidnapping and then killing her and then (perfectly) hiding her body all seems a stretch to me. Too much to plan and risky to pull off. And this is why I've always leaned towards Sandra leaving with someone she knew who may have had no intention of harming her. Until something bad happened.

As for money or other financial assets being hidden in that tiny house, I tend to doubt that too. Sandra's daughter seems to have been totally managing Sandra's finances and I don't get the sense that she'd allow that to happen.

 

[detectorhector]

I'm surprised the dog didn't mess up the house, being alone in there for so long. You know, poop and pee all over. There was no mention of it anyway. The dog could be why there was a missing sheet (he may have ruined it at some point previously) and he could also be why the slats of the bed were moved. I wonder what happened to the dog?

 

[Curiosity1234]

LE confirmed that SC made a phone call to her Cousin T at 5:30 on Wednesday evening. Cousin T said she never received a call from SC as to whether SC was going to spend the night at Cousin T's or not. It seems to me that the call was made but not connected. What prevented SC from completing that call ? Did SC decide to hang up and call back later ? Did SC suddenly realize someone was already in the house ? (Someone could have entered the house through unlocked back door while SC was dropping her car off to mechanic). Did someone walk in the unlocked back door ? Did someone appear at the door that might have been locked ? The only thing in trash was a diaper, no food wrappers or food scraps which would indicate SC did not have dinner Wednesday evening. The clothes SC was wearing that day were missing which suggests SC never went to bed. SC never called anyone at all on Thursday or Friday. SC never answered her daughter's calls on Thursday, Thursday evening or Friday morning. The dog had no food or water on Friday morning when the daughter got to the house which suggests he was last given food and water on Wednesday. These are all the reasons why I think whatever happened to SC happened on Wednesday night. Plus add to the above, the condition of bed when daughter arrived on Friday. MHO based on what I have read on here and heard on The Vanished podcast Episode #269.