MA MA - Sandra Crispo, 54, Hanson, 7 August 2019

[Yemelyan]

So wouldn't the mattress have to be moved out of place to know the "bed boards were disturbed"?

I'll answer this- yes. Why no mention of the mattress? Confusing...

According to her daughter the "bed boards were off" and the mattress appeared to be "lifted". For whatever that is worth.

 

[Blue Ridge]

So wouldn't the mattress have to be moved out of place to know the "bed boards were disturbed"?

I'll answer this- yes. Why no mention of the mattress? Confusing...

Exactly! My bed has slats but you can't see them - they go underneath across the frame and are completely covered by the box spring and then the mattress on top of that. So how would they know the slats were "disturbed" unless the mattress and box spring were completely off the bed?! Color me confused too.

 

[Yemelyan]

Exactly! My bed has slats but you can't see them - they go underneath across the frame and are completely covered by the box spring and then the mattress on top of that. So how would they know the slats were "disturbed" unless the mattress and box spring were completely off the bed?! Color me confused too.

When I first read the article and it said the bed boards were "off," the image in my head was that they were completely off the bed and propped against the wall or something. But no clue if this is what was meant or some lesser disturbance.

 

[Yemelyan]

First there was so called sightings of her. Now that's been disputed.

Daughter says bed boards are off, yet LE states no sign of a struggle.

Now they're checking into shelters around the area.

Is this some of kind crazy or what?!

The part about checking homeless populations in nearby communities is bothering me. The tip about a potential Fall River sighting actually came on a local tv station's FB page as a comment from a user on an article about the disappearance. The substance of that tip was that Sandra Crispo might be with street people that hang out at a particular Fall River park. The daughter has clarified that the tip was investigated and ruled out.

Now according to the new article police are checking homeless populations in both Boston and Brockton as well. Brockton, like Fall River, can be a very rough place. It has a pretty different vibe from Hanson, where she currently lives, or the part of Quincy where she lived most of her life.

 

[AzPistonsGirl]

According to her daughter the "bed boards were off" and the mattress appeared to be "lifted". For whatever that is worth.

Curious... off and removed? off and taken out of the home? Off and used for firewood in the backyard? Ugh, what could this mean? I agree that at first blush it sounds like she was hiding under the bed.

ETA: Money under the mattress? (as suggested upthread, along with a million other great questions and suggestions.)

 

[AzPistonsGirl]

I just read through all the posts here (it's only 64) and see that we had so many good questions posted, but so few answers. Why had she recently moved? We never determined where she worked either...

 

[Yemelyan]

I just read through all the posts here (it's only 64) and see that we had so many good questions posted, but so few answers. Why had she recently moved? We never determined where she worked either...

It appears that she served as a caregiver for the grandchildren on many (most?) days. Here in the northeast, childcare is extremely expensive so this is a very common arrangement, for grandparents to be caregivers of their adult children's kids. I'm basing that on this article: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...BhAB&usg=AOvVaw08BcBFdAIuDOH2Gf_M_K1O&ampcf=1

I think possibly she moved to Hanson to be closer to her daughter's residence and facilitate this caregiving arrangement.

 

[AzPistonsGirl]

It appears that she served as a caregiver for the grandchildren on many (most?) days.... I think possibly she moved to Hanson to be closer to her daughter's residence and facilitate this caregiving arrangement.

RSBM: Thank you. Well, that is what I thought also, but early reports say that she didn't show up at work... So I thought that perhaps she worked and also spent a lot of time with the grandchildren. I will re-read.

ETA: Well, with no car, yes, I guess she did look after the kids as her "job" but it was never really stated as such anywhere.

Also, see post #46 here, from someone who works in that neighborhood.

 

[AzPistonsGirl]

I’ve worked in this neighborhood as a residential plumber . The houses are close together and neighbors seem quiet . I just don’t understand how no one saw a car pull up or activity in the night time of Wednesday and Thursday with her lights on .

Here is that post #46. I very much appreciate this local insight, @NamMan86, thank you. Might you have anything else to add? Anything else you have though about, anymore local insight? It simply feels as if this could go either way, there just has not been enough reported yet IMO. We need many more facts to flesh out what happened. LE is still working this, right, they have to be...

 

[Yemelyan]

According to articles, she lived on Spofford Ave in Hanson. These houses are small, like bungalows. Here is one that sold on April 30th. The front looks identical to a house shown in photos on some of the MSM articles on her disappearance. This could be Sandra's house, or one very like it.

47 Spofford Ave, Hanson, MA 02341 - realtor.com®

 

[GordianKnot]

RSBM: Thank you. Well, that is what I thought also, but early reports say that she didn't show up at work... So I thought that perhaps she worked and also spent a lot of time with the grandchildren. I will re-read.

ETA: Well, with no car, yes, I guess she did look after the kids as her "job" but it was never really stated as such anywhere.

Also, see post #46 here, from someone who works in that neighborhood.

She's too young to be retired. She's currently unmarried, and living alone.
What's her source of income?
Is she experiencing any financial hardship?
Had she recently moved b/c she needed to downsize due to living expenses?

Her car had to be taken in to the shop for repairs.
Unanticipated expenses can be a huge stressor for someone who's already experiencing monetary difficulties.

The bed boards being off the bed would not register as being the "only" thing out of place if I was looking for a family member in their home and discovered the bed had been disrupted/mattress lifted.
Have any MSM articles identified which family member dropped her off at home that evening?

Agree with other posters suggesting money under the bed would be a reason to upend the mattress/remove boards. But who in the heck leaves money under their mattress in this day and age?
Answer to that question might just be: someone who doesn't own a computer or cell phone.

The circumstances here are uber strange.
In fact, they're flat weird.

There are a lot of pieces to this story that we're missing.
A whole lot.

JMO.

 

[Yemelyan]

She's too young to be retired. She's currently unmarried, and living alone.
What's her source of income?
Is she experiencing any financial hardship?
Had she recently moved b/c she needed to downsize due to living expenses?

Her car had to be taken in to the shop for repairs.
Unanticipated expenses can be a huge stressor for someone who's already experiencing monetary difficulties.

The bed boards being off the bed would not register as being the "only" thing out of place if I was looking for a family member in their home and discovered the bed had been disrupted/mattress lifted.
Have any MSM articles identified which family member dropped her off at home that evening?

Agree with other posters suggesting money under the bed would be a reason to upend the mattress/remove boards. But who in the heck leaves money under their mattress in this day and age?
Answer to that question might just be: someone who doesn't own a computer or cell phone.

The circumstances here are uber strange.
In fact, they're flat weird.

There are a lot of pieces to this story that we're missing.
A whole lot.

JMO.

Agree, there does appear to be some critical pieces left unsaid.

She might be too young to be retired but there is no mention of any other job other than so-called "primary" caregiver to her 3 very young grandsons. I have known people here in MA who paid family members to watch the kids (granted, they paid less than they would have paid a fulltime nanny which runs $20/hour and up here, or a daycare, which could be upwards of $300-$400 per week for just one kid), so that could have been a small source of income for her. In addition, she had recently sold her home in Quincy, where the cost of real estate is fairly high, to move to Hanson where real estate is MUCH lower. So she may have been able to put money away from the sale of the Quincy house. She has multiple family members including her daughter living in towns nearby to Hanson so she probably just wanted/needed to be closer to family.

MSM have not named the family member who dropped her off.

 

[NamMan86]

Here is that post #46. I very much appreciate this local insight, @NamMan86, thank you. Might you have anything else to add? Anything else you have though about, anymore local insight? It simply feels as if this could go either way, there just has not been enough reported yet IMO. We need many more facts to flesh out what happened. LE is still working this, right, they have to be...

I’ll add that this neighborhood , to emphasize another contributors point , the houses are like bungalows with different streets on a hickish type backroad . The daughter seems to think she vanished Wednesday night (because lights stayed on) also the first night Sandra did not have her car . That means if she was taken that night someone was watching the house and chose that night. (Because no car in driveway?) The fact that the bed boards were off is very alarming , I don’t understand why that wasn’t made a bigger deal in the beginning. That sounds like a struggle of some extent ..

LE is still working this , they claim they just don’t have anything and it sounds sincere.. They have used dogs and have come up
Empty . I’m assuming they used them around the neighborhood .

 

[Handsome Sailor]

maybe she wants to be gone

 

[momrids6]

Her father passed in Jan 2018. She was married, but single now. This article is new.

'We just want answers' -- Hanson woman still missing after 5 weeks

 

[cb73]

So I'm still thinking about the bed board thing. I've always just had a box spring/mattress so had to go looking.

1. If the bed board was between the box spring and mattress--why would the daughter have even noticed it was gone? She lifted the mattress? (Maybe it was totally skewed which made her look.)

2. If the bed board was the bottom layer and was removed, wouldn't the mattress have been on the floor? So, apparently #1.

3. I also saw this on a Google definition lookup: bed-board: The head-board or foot-board of a bedstead. I don't know if that's a common usage, but if either were gone, I'd certainly notice.

I've followed other threads here, and generally get some "feel" of what happened--doesn't mean I'm right--but this one just doesn't make sense to me and I keep thinking there's another piece to the puzzle that we haven't heard yet.

 

[cb73]

Her father passed in Jan 2018. She was married, but single now. This article is new.

'We just want answers' -- Hanson woman still missing after 5 weeks

That article raised an uncomfortable question. Her daughter says she called her mother on Wednesday to tell her about the car, but she wasn't there. “Instantly, I felt like something was wrong,”--but she didn't go over to her mother's to check. She waited until it was time for her Mom to babysit again the next day.

Maybe this was just a hindsight thing, where she thought it was odd or curious that her mom didn't answer and it didn't become important until later.

I don't know. I rarely even got along with my mom, but if I called her when she was expected to be home and got no answer, I drove over there. But I didn't have little kids at the time, so there's that.

 

[Gigi3]

So I'm still thinking about the bed board thing. I've always just had a box spring/mattress so had to go looking.

1. If the bed board was between the box spring and mattress--why would the daughter have even noticed it was gone? She lifted the mattress? (Maybe it was totally skewed which made her look.)

2. If the bed board was the bottom layer and was removed, wouldn't the mattress have been on the floor? So, apparently #1.

3. I also saw this on a Google definition lookup: bed-board: The head-board or foot-board of a bedstead. I don't know if that's a common usage, but if either were gone, I'd certainly notice.

I've followed other threads here, and generally get some "feel" of what happened--doesn't mean I'm right--but this one just doesn't make sense to me and I keep thinking there's another piece to the puzzle that we haven't heard yet.

My first thought when bed boards were mentioned was possibly headboard or footboard. I could see maybe they could’ve been at an odd angle or something to that effect. I’m grasping here... this is so strange! MOO

 

[Carja7]

I had an old bed that if I sat too hard, or moved too much, the boards would fall off the frame. Sometimes it would cause one side of the bed to lift because the other side would fall. But sometimes the box spring was enough to keep the matress fine but the boards could be seen underneath because they fell off. Maybe something like that?

 

[Yemelyan]

maybe she wants to be gone

Could be, but some points against this would be: her relatives (not just the daughter) describe her as a homebody-type of person, her bank accounts have not been touched/accessed since she disappeared, and her grandkids were said to be her life so it would be really strange for her to leave the daughter's family in the lurch for child care since she was their regular caregiver. So it seems like it would be really out of character for her to just want to be gone without telling family her plans.