MA - Vanessa Marcotte, 27, murdered, Princeton, 7 Aug 2016 #3

[Camerabug]

Anyone have insights on how the body is left? In this case, there was no attempt to cover her or to cover the crime, as far as I know. She was left naked, exposed, and burned - which to me means the perp wanted to humiliate her (or himself). She was also was left to be found - in other words, she wasn't far from where she was last known to be and was found quickly.

Does anyone know if this points to stranger or someone the victim knew. In my mind, it would indicate a stranger and she was a random "woman" to violate - that the crime wasn't against Vanessa personally but against females in general, but that's just a hunch.

Insight? Not really, but I read somewhere that serial killers generally bury their kills or otherwise dispose of the bodies so they can go on killing undiscovered.

i personally think the burning was what the killer may have enjoyed most. I don't think it was to hide her identity for sure. if killing her was the thrill, he would have left once the deed was done, but he didn't. It may be that he was angry at women (confused sexual identity?) or a specific woman (his mother comes to mind) but I think the fire was a release for him.

 

[Steleheart]

I'm sure Ball Hill was intended

Yes the poster meant Ball Hill Road and that cemetery there;

https://www.google.com/maps/@42.419...03&h=100&yaw=238.59373&pitch=0!7i13312!8i6656

 

[DatelineFan]

Steleheart, I agree with you 100% about the burns. I never could get the dryness of the area out of my mind.

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[ThinkHard]

I think the poster meant Ball Hill Road, and yes there is a cemetery there. HTH

What would a cemetery on Ball Hill Rd (south of BSR) have to do with a murder committed at the north end of BSR, no where near said cemetery on Ball Hill have to do with anything?

 

[Inthedetails]

Insight? Not really, but I read somewhere that serial killers generally bury their kills or otherwise dispose of the bodies so they can go on killing undiscovered.

i personally think the burning was what the killer may have enjoyed most. I don't think it was to hide her identity for sure. if killing her was the thrill, he would have left once the deed was done, but he didn't. It may be that he was angry at women (confused sexual identity?) or a specific woman (his mother comes to mind) but I think the fire was a release for him.

Interesting. I was thinking it would be aligned more with a serial killer for the thrill of having people find his handiwork, but I can see your point about covering up so he could continue killing.

Maybe the way the body was left tells us something about the individual (not sure what) more than if he's a serial killer or one-timer. IDK.

I agree with you about the fire - it's purpose was a thrill for him rather than covering up the crime, imo.

The crime scene wasn't covered up at all.

jmo

 

[ThinkHard]

Insight? Not really, but I read somewhere that serial killers generally bury their kills or otherwise dispose of the bodies so they can go on killing undiscovered.

i personally think the burning was what the killer may have enjoyed most. I don't think it was to hide her identity for sure. if killing her was the thrill, he would have left once the deed was done, but he didn't. It may be that he was angry at women (confused sexual identity?) or a specific woman (his mother comes to mind) but I think the fire was a release for him.

The fire feels more personal to me. Not so much that he was trying to cover her identity from LE, but that he was trying to deny her identity from himself.

 

[Inthedetails]

The fire feels more personal to me. Not so much that he was trying to cover her identity from LE, but that he was trying to deny her identity from himself.

I think that's possible too....though I think it's possible he burned her while alive - as mentioned above with cigarette or lighter. We don't know the extent of the burns. It could've been torture.

I hope not, of course. I really hope not.

But if the burns were post-mortem, then it could be an attempt to "erase" what he did.

I guess we don't know enough about the burns to make an assessment.

jmo

 

[Steleheart]

What would a cemetery on Ball Hill Rd (south of BSR) have to do with a murder committed at the north end of BSR, no where near said cemetery on Ball Hill have to do with anything?

The OP was referring to a connection between SK's and cemeteries. Here is the OP. for reference;

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...ceton-7-August-2016-3&p=12796142#post12796142

 

[Steleheart]

Steleheart, I agree with you 100% about the burns. I never could get the dryness of the area out of my mind.

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It is so dry there was a spider nest in my rain barrel faucet. We got some drizzle but I thought it was still empty until I stuck a stick up there. (shouldda used a torch lol)

 

[ThinkHard]

The OP was referring to a connection between SK's and cemeteries. Here is the OP. for reference;

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...ceton-7-August-2016-3&p=12796142#post12796142

Right, but given there distance drone each other ... Cemetery and crime scene, even if serial killers are somehow connected to graveyards, how would THAT graveyard be connected with THAT crime scene....given there distance?

 

[ThinkHard]

It is so dry there was a spider nest in my rain barrel faucet. We got some drizzle but I thought it was still empty until I stuck a stick up there. (shouldda used a torch lol)

Whether it be a lighter, or a blow torch or something else we may not have considered, I agree, there is definelt a level of control when it comes to the burning. ... If someone intended a larger fire, given the dryness, there is no doubt the would have succeeded.

 

[Steleheart]

The burns were enough for a closed casket funeral, if I recall...let me see if I can find that photo..

You have a photo of a closed casket? Do you have a link that it was because of burns as opposed to trauma?
I DO not think those details have been released other than rumor.

I can't find anything.

 

[Inthedetails]

You have a photo of a closed casket? Do you have a link that it was because of burns as opposed to trauma?
I DO not think those details have been released other than rumor.

I can't find anything.

I don't think we can make a conclusion about the burns based on whether the casket was closed or not. Any burn to the face would be disfiguring, and she might have had other facial injuries as well.

And some families don't like open caskets anyway - not everyone wants an open casket.

jmo

 

[ThinkHard]

You have a photo of a closed casket? Do you have a link that it was because of burns as opposed to trauma?
I DO not think those details have been released other than rumor.

I can't find anything.

I would think almost any level burns would require closed casket, or at least the family would prefer closed casket. Even with very good care and make up burns would be difficult to cover up on a corpse. You can cover up discoloring but distortions to skin texture to the extent even cigarette burns would cause would be difficult.

Unfortunately I don't think a closed casket gives us too much insight into the extent of her burns.

However if it were open, I believe that would be more of an indication of them being very minor at least on her face.

 

[Steleheart]

Right, but given there distance drone each other ... Cemetery and crime scene, even if serial killers are somehow connected to graveyards, how would THAT graveyard be connected with THAT crime scene....given there distance?

I don't know. It wasn't my post. Either of us can do the research. But maybe he thinks of death when he drives by. :scared:

 

[Camerabug]

You have a photo of a closed casket? Do you have a link that it was because of burns as opposed to trauma?
I DO not think those details have been released other than rumor.

I can't find anything.

Some lowlife took a photo actually..well, I assume it was a lowlife. I happened to see it in a news story and now I can't find it, but it was just those beautiful white flowers sitting on top of the closed casket. Others are right though, really shouldn't draw conclusions from that...

 

[ThinkHard]

Do you know what's weird, and just kind of crazy to me....when I first heard about this case....on Sunday evening, when it was still just a missing person investigation.....probably the last thing I ever expected to learn the following day was that it was a death investigation.....even more suprisingly was when it was a mutder investigation.

This stuff just doesn't, hasn't ever, happened here....it seemed in those early hours that a far more likely scenario was that a wild animal attacked her (no joke!) or a car accidentky hit her and covered it up.

To think that a murder, and one like this happens her, is really unthinkable.

I think most locals recognize that this person is likely local, and in a community like this, if you don't end up knowing them first hand you know someone related to them.....and I'm not sure what's scarier to all of us....that a murder happened here, or that it was one of us that did it?

 

[Steleheart]

I would think almost any level burns would require closed casket, or at least the family would prefer closed casket. Even with very good care and make up burns would be difficult to cover up on a corpse. You can cover up discoloring but distortions to skin texture to the extent even cigarette burns would cause would be difficult.

Unfortunately I don't think a closed casket gives us too much insight into the extent of her burns.

However if it were open, I believe that would be more of an indication of them being very minor at least on her face.

And a different report said feet and head, (not hands or face)

"A New York City woman found dead in Massachusetts on Sunday had burns to her head and feet"
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/08/0...have-been-set-on-fire-sexually-assaulted.html


So nothing definitive.

"An autopsy was performed, but additional testing that has to be done," said Early, who would not specify her cause of death or the condition of her body".
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http://www.masslive.com/news/worcester/index.ssf/2016/08/authorities_not_ruling_out_lin.html

So no COD or condition.

If I missed other info from MSM or LE please advise.

 

[Camerabug]

Do you know what's weird, and just kind of crazy to me....when I first heard about this case....on Sunday evening, when it was still just a missing person investigation.....probably the last thing I ever expected to learn the following day was that it was a death investigation.....even more suprisingly was when it was a mutder investigation.

This stuff just doesn't, hasn't ever, happened here....it seemed in those early hours that a far more likely scenario was that a wild animal attacked her (no joke!) or a car accidentky hit her and covered it up.

To think that a murder, and one like this happens her, is really unthinkable.

I think most locals recognize that this person is likely local, and in a community like this, if you don't end up knowing them first hand you know someone related to them.....and I'm not sure what's scarier to all of us....that a murder happened here, or that it was one of us that did it?

Well, that and the fact that this person hasn't been caught yet. That has to be un-nerving!

 

[ThinkHard]

And a different report said feet and head, (not hands or face)

"A New York City woman found dead in Massachusetts on Sunday had burns to her head and feet"
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/08/0...have-been-set-on-fire-sexually-assaulted.html


So nothing definitive.

"An autopsy was performed, but additional testing that has to be done," said Early, who would not specify her cause of death or the condition of her body".
,"
http://www.masslive.com/news/worcester/index.ssf/2016/08/authorities_not_ruling_out_lin.html

So no COD or condition.

If I missed other info from MSM or LE please advise.

Most news sources repeatedly said: hands, feet, and head.