MA - Vanessa Marcotte, 27, murdered, Princeton, 7 Aug 2016 #3

[ThinkHard]

There are gaurd rails right where the cart path is. Not sure what footage your thinking of but I don't think it off that they would check along the roads on either side of the cart path along those gaurd rails. And yes there is room to pull a car over there even with the guard rails

I don't think it's odd they would check along the guardrails either, but they seemed to be focused in that area on the second search.
I really can't see how a car would have room to park on the side of the road with those guard rails.
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.437...4!1s5XqOecvkTM3CwZqJ1XykUQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

Also despite if he was pedaling fast it would not have thrown off the dogs (says my neighbor).
Was that the same neighbor that said a dog would first need the scent of the perp, or the other neighbor?
Did he take into consideration cars driving by and blowing the rafts away? I agree just pedaling fast will not stop the scent, but it sure will make it hard to track.

I don't really see a bike being part of this, in all honesty. The only way a bike rider wouldn't look weird in that road is if it were a young kid or a HS age looking boy. It's not a road that distance riders with their fancy helmets etc are going to be riding down.
Ok, again, this is nothing ,more than a theory on my part. Just another angle to look at. There could very well be a car involved. I live in a similar neighborhood, and bikes go by my house often. I never look twice, but I do notice cars that are pulled off to the side of the road where there are no houses, or strangers walking.


I feel like bike rider siting and looking out of place is something that would have popped up in the police logs, but that's not what we see, instead we see lots of reports of light vehicles and pick up trucks specifically around the hours of 1 and 3....which leads me to believe that a vehicle was involved not a bike.
I have been reading those police logs too, and after the crime, I noticed a huge jump in people calling about suspicious vehicles .


Also the "biker" would have to have had any supplies to burn her with on him. IMHO I just don't think it was someone on a bike.
The only supplies one would need would be a book of matches, or a lighter.

A book of matches or a lighter alone would absolutely NOT be able to burn a body, no way no how. Sorry but no. At the very least he would have needed alcohol as an accelerant.

Secondly I don't think the car was parked along a gaurd rail, and I think it was park where that path juts in. It would be easy to pull over there.

Third as someone who has read the police log nearly my entire life, suspicious vehicles are a very very very common call in, probably the most common one you see.

It's also not uncommon I'd say to see vehicles pulled over near cart paths or fire roads along all these wooded backroads. I'm not staying in the spot specifically but lots of people will park like that on paths that lead to ponds to go fishing, or to take their dog for a walk in the woods, or in the winter to go cross country skiing.

So why you might go, hmm wonder why that car is there....your also not really going to think they are up to no good....its just the paranoid people that report suspicious vehicles most of us would drive by and think not much of it.

 

[ThinkHard]

I am still dwelling on why the brother of "socks dude" called the police when his brother didn't show for work. This is such a flag, IMO. Just really odd, and the timing....
Seems to me the brother knows something we don't?

I agree....id think you'd have to believe your brother was even capable of it to be so quick and willing to turn his name over to the PD. To me that says a lot! I agree with you.

 

[Rocky1]

Maybe but mnt barn is closed at that time on a Sunday. So it would actually be weird to see a vehicle there.

Not according to this. They are open from 12.00-9.00 on Sundays.
http://www.mountainbarn.com/

 

[ThinkHard]

Not according to this. They are open from 12.00-9.00 on Sundays.
http://www.mountainbarn.com/

I could be mistaken but I believe there summer hours are different from their fall ones (i.e. The ones currently posted on their website)

 

[Rocky1]

A book of matches or a lighter alone would absolutely NOT be able to burn a body, no way no how. Sorry but no. At the very least he would have needed alcohol as an accelerant.

Secondly I don't think the car was parked along a gaurd rail, and I think it was park where that path juts in. It would be easy to pull over there.

Third as someone who has read the police log nearly my entire life, suspicious vehicles are a very very very common call in, probably the most common one you see.

It's also not uncommon I'd say to see vehicles pulled over near cart paths or fire roads along all these wooded backroads. I'm not staying in the spot specifically but lots of people will park like that on paths that lead to ponds to go fishing, or to take their dog for a walk in the woods, or in the winter to go cross country skiing.

So why you might go, hmm wonder why that car is there....your also not really going to think they are up to no good....its just the paranoid people that report suspicious vehicles most of us would drive by and think not much of it.

A book of matches or a lighter alone would absolutely NOT be able to burn a body, no way no how. Sorry but no.
I agree 100%. The wood could have been used for fuel.


Secondly I don't think the car was parked along a gaurd rail, and I think it was park where that path juts in. It would be easy to pull over there.
I don't think the car was parked there either. It would have been sticking out over the line, onto the road if it was because there's not enough room. I said in a previous post that if a car was used, I think it would have been parked right after the guard rail.


Third as someone who has read the police log nearly my entire life, suspicious vehicles are a very very very common call in, probably the most common one you see.
True, and much more so since this happened. People are on edge, with good reason, and will think to be better safe than sorry. So they will call more often.

It's also not uncommon I'd say to see vehicles pulled over near cart paths or fire roads along all these wooded backroads. I'm not staying in the spot specifically but lots of people will park like that on paths that lead to ponds to go fishing, or to take their dog for a walk in the woods, or in the winter to go cross country skiing.
I was talking about that spot specifically. True, a car that i parked near a pond where people fish, or go cross country skiing may not raise a red flag, but that doesn't apply here.
Maybe it is possible that nobody thought a car being parked there,(if there was one) looked suspicious, and that's the reason the police may/may not have any clues.
One other thought. If there was a car/truck parked off the side of the road. I would think the police have tire tracks. The width of those tracks would narrow down the type of vehicle, and if so I would think the police would have at least made that part public.
All speculation on my part.

 

[Rocky1]

I could be mistaken but I believe there summer hours are different from their fall ones (i.e. The ones currently posted on their website)

From what I gathered on the news, when the family found out about the ping from that tower, they went to the Mountain Barn, and started asking people if they saw VM. It must have been open.

 

[ThinkHard]

A book of matches or a lighter alone would absolutely NOT be able to burn a body, no way no how. Sorry but no.
I agree 100%. The wood could have been used for fuel.


Secondly I don't think the car was parked along a gaurd rail, and I think it was park where that path juts in. It would be easy to pull over there.
I don't think the car was parked there either. It would have been sticking out over the line, onto the road if it was because there's not enough room. I said in a previous post that if a car was used, I think it would have been parked right after the guard rail.


Third as someone who has read the police log nearly my entire life, suspicious vehicles are a very very very common call in, probably the most common one you see.
True, and much more so since this happened. People are on edge, with good reason, and will think to be better safe than sorry. So they will call more often.

It's also not uncommon I'd say to see vehicles pulled over near cart paths or fire roads along all these wooded backroads. I'm not staying in the spot specifically but lots of people will park like that on paths that lead to ponds to go fishing, or to take their dog for a walk in the woods, or in the winter to go cross country skiing.
I was talking about that spot specifically. True, a car that i parked near a pond where people fish, or go cross country skiing may not raise a red flag, but that doesn't apply here.
Maybe it is possible that nobody thought a car being parked there,(if there was one) looked suspicious, and that's the reason the police may/may not have any clues.
One other thought. If there was a car/truck parked off the side of the road. I would think the police have tire tracks. The width of those tracks would narrow down the type of vehicle, and if so I would think the police would have at least made that part public.
All speculation on my part.

Do you camp much? Or build campfires? It's harder then you think, you have to start with small bramble and build up and he have to build it just so to leave air pockets etc. a stick like that would not be an accelerant.

You would need a liquid accelerant, take the time to build a proper fire, or have a tool like a hand held blow torch.

Btw can you click the "reply with quote" button instead of however your doing it...it's too confusing to distinguish between what your writing versus what your responding to when it's all smoothed together like that and it's very confusing and difficult to follow.

Lastly I think the police do have an idea of the vehicle and intentionally don't want to make that public....that way when they ask for vehicle sightings and people come forward they can weed out who's claims are more likely to be true versus not. If they said call if you saw a white pick up truck....you could end up getting a lot of false tips.

 

[Dollcat]

I used to find traces of people walking through my property boundary all the time. Even found a milk jug full of Kerosene once. Granted this was suburbia west of Baltimore and not bucolic Mass. I just found it odd that that wall runs for so long and intersects the crime scene, but it is a stretch for sure...but I also said "local". As for a car parked at Mnt brn on a Sunday...I think the fact this crime happened on a Sunday is HUGE. I think that is clue in and of itself. Also my gut says the vehicle was parked at the PMLD, but my gut doesn't know what proof is.

What is PMLD? TIA

 

[Rocky1]

Do you camp much? Or build campfires? It's harder then you think, you have to start with small bramble and build up and he have to build it just so to leave air pockets etc. a stick like that would not be an accelerant.

You would need a liquid accelerant, take the time to build a proper fire, or have a tool like a hand held blow torch.

Btw can you click the "reply with quote" button instead of however your doing it...it's too confusing to distinguish between what your writing versus what your responding to when it's all smoothed together like that and it's very confusing and difficult to follow.

Lastly I think the police do have an idea of the vehicle and intentionally don't want to make that public....that way when they ask for vehicle sightings and people come forward they can weed out who's claims are more likely to be true versus not. If they said call if you saw a white pick up truck....you could end up getting a lot of false tips.

Sorry about the confusion. I was breaking down your statements down one by one.

Yes, I have built many fires. With dry pine as dry as it's been this summer, one could have a fire built in ten minutes or less. What you see in that picture is only what L.E. left behind. I am sure that area had a lot more ash and debris than what you see.

You could be right about the police knowing what type of vehicle was used ,if any. I know if I did, I'd narrow down the calls as much as I could.They have had over 1,000 tips so far. If a white pick up was used for example, I wouldn't be concerned about a blue ford focus, nor would I care to have people waste time calling in about it, or wasting time sifting through those calls. I'd say they'd be getting more false tips by not narrowing it down. If a perp has long hair, I wouldn't want to sift through all those calls with reports of seeing a bald man.

 

[Rocky1]

What is PMLD? TIA

Princeton Municipal Light Department.

 

[ThinkHard]

I could be mistaken but I believe there summer hours are different from their fall ones (i.e. The ones currently posted on their website)

Perhaps or perhaps there were only employees there at the time getting ready for the dinner shift before it opened to the public.

 

[ThinkHard]

Sorry about the confusion. I was breaking down your statements down one by one.

Yes, I have built many fires. With dry pine as dry as it's been this summer, one could have a fire built in ten minutes or less. What you see in that picture is only what L.E. left behind. I am sure that area had a lot more ash and debris than what you see.

You could be right about the police knowing what type of vehicle was used ,if any. I know if I did, I'd narrow down the calls as much as I could.They have had over 1,000 tips so far. If a white pick up was used for example, I wouldn't be concerned about a blue ford focus, nor would I care to have people waste time calling in about it, or wasting time sifting through those calls. I'd say they'd be getting more false tips by not narrowing it down. If a perp has long hair, I wouldn't want to sift through all those calls with reports of seeing a bald man.

Well you can't start a fire with dry pine needles alone, they don't stay lit long enough to catch larger pieces of wood. I also think if he had made a fire you'd see more evidence of smaller charcoal pieces of wood, even if the police did take some very evidence. What you see doesn't look like evidence of there being a campfire there.

It also looks like a controlled fire and not one that was made and left, I think all flames would have been extinguished when he left her. It's possible that spot on the ground is where he burned her clothes (if he burned them). It's also possible he used her flaming clothing on the end of a stick to burn her with.

 

[Razz]

From what I gathered on the news, when the family found out about the ping from that tower, they went to the Mountain Barn, and started asking people if they saw VM. It must have been open.

How did the family get VM'S ping
so quickly?

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[Aleph]

Sorry, I don't really follow what you are saying. My neighbors dogs are trained to track and I've learned a few things from him. One of his dogs is a cadaver dog the other two can track living people. He works with the LE in the New England states extensively. My other neighbor is a dentists and does forensic work in MA and RI.

For one I don't see how sound tracking would come into play I this case at all.

Two she was found on private property so how would they identify the perps scent off any scent there. Third, I think the dogs were brought in to find her, not to track the perp, as I'm sure the assumed he was long gone from the immediate area at that point.

Also it rained less then 48 hrs after she was found, which would erase any likely hood of there being tracking based on smell of foot prints. I actually aske my neighbor about that and he said that's a very rare way of finding someone and only works if you are right on their trail.

Sounds like you live in the perfect neighborhood for a sleuther.


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[zencompass]

Sending prayers of love and support to this beautiful young woman's family.

Also sending prayers to the law enforcement involved as I believe they will work tirelessly to solve this.

 

[Rocky1]

How did the family get VM'S ping
so quickly?

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That was discussed in previous posts, from what I read.
There are apps like "Find My Phone" that one can use for that.
VM worked for Google, and had a degree in communications, so I think it's fair to say that she had all the Apps. JMO.

 

[Camerabug]

Sock dude is a guy that lives in the area. He was home all day alone on Sunday "resting." He missed work on Monday. He works for his brother, and when he didn't show up for work, his brother called the police. NECN interviewed him, and they said they didn't want to name him. I think they knocked on his door, and he came out to talk to them in his socks, and they pointed the camera down. The police swabbed him for DNA, and that's the last I have heard. I haven't heard if he's been eliminated or not. No mention of cuts or bruises as the police mentioned the perp may have.

The only thing I would add is that socks requested the interview himself.
http://www.necn.com/news/new-englan...ssa-Marcotte-Investigation-DNA-390735071.html
-this is either a poor attempt to prove his innocence (should have retained an attorney which he has since done)
-his 15 minutes of fame

 

[rosesfromangels]

The only thing I would add is that socks requested the interview himself.
http://www.necn.com/news/new-englan...ssa-Marcotte-Investigation-DNA-390735071.html
-this is either a poor attempt to prove his innocence (should have retained an attorney which he has since done)
-his 15 minutes of fame

Hinky!!!

 

[Crimeblocker]

Do you camp much? Or build campfires? It's harder then you think, you have to start with small bramble and build up and he have to build it just so to leave air pockets etc. a stick like that would not be an accelerant.

You would need a liquid accelerant, take the time to build a proper fire, or have a tool like a hand held blow torch.

Btw can you click the "reply with quote" button instead of however your doing it...it's too confusing to distinguish between what your writing versus what your responding to when it's all smoothed together like that and it's very confusing and difficult to follow.

Lastly I think the police do have an idea of the vehicle and intentionally don't want to make that public....that way when they ask for vehicle sightings and people come forward they can weed out who's claims are more likely to be true versus not. If they said call if you saw a white pick up truck....you could end up getting a lot of false tips.

Correct, LE will never share evidence that implements the suspect. They're building a case, hear say and false memory clouds the investigation. People innately want to help catch this killer, therefore if the word is out that they are looking for a White Truck, several people innocently come out of the woodwork remembering the White Truck they saw at the Shopping Center, trying in fact to assist the investigation. The problem is that many of these memories aren't always applicable ( for instance was it really a White Truck or a Light Grey ? An extended cab or not ? ) What an investigation wants and needs in both a jury and a witness is the person who is " not" familiar with the case and remembers an event they witnessed that took place at that time, in that location or there abouts that offers the desperately needed clue. Such as " at the time I thought little of it but there was a man in a white truck a few roads away that just didn't look right- well this is the desired clue. You see
because the word hasn't been released by LE about the color of the truck it becomes more credible !

 

[ThinkHard]

Correct, LE will never share evidence that implements the suspect. They're building a case, hear say and false memory clouds the investigation. People innately want to help catch this killer, therefore if the word is out that they are looking for a White Truck, several people innocently come out of the woodwork remembering the White Truck they saw at the Shopping Center, trying in fact to assist the investigation. The problem is that many of these memories aren't always applicable ( for instance was it really a White Truck or a Light Grey ? An extended cab or not ? ) What an investigation wants and needs in both a jury and a witness is the person who is " not" familiar with the case and remembers an event they witnessed that took place at that time, in that location or there abouts that offers the desperately needed clue. Such as " at the time I thought little of it but there was a man in a white truck a few roads away that just didn't look right- well this is the desired clue. You see
because the word hasn't been released by LE about the color of the truck it becomes more credible !

Yes that's exactly what I was trying to say...in terms of why they wouldn't have given out info on a specific vehicle type of interest.