MA - Vanessa Marcotte, 27, murdered, Princeton, 7 Aug 2016 #5

[ForensicMass]

I may have just found something USEFUL!!!
Maybe it's nothing but something just jumped out at me while staring at this data from her previous runs:

The VERY LAST RUN before she changed her PRIVACY settings on the MapMyRun app In Sept. 2016, was the out and back walk down BSR. One that put her in the area of the cart path twice during the 2-mile walk on September 6th 2015.

At that time, she had been running VERY regularly, almost daily- In NY and when visiting Princeton. WHAT happened to cause her to change those privacy settings, not while in NY, but seemingly while in PRINCETON, seemingly just following a morning walk down BSR????
Did she see someone suspicious on this road? Had she seen him already behaving strangely during her runs on the 3rd or 4th?

Could This person could have possibly registered as a potential threat to her almost a year previous?? Would certainly point to a local or semi-local.

Why change your settings after running in Princeton and not NY? Seems VERY VERY strange to me.

 

[Rocky1]

I may have just found something USEFUL!!!
Maybe it's nothing but something just jumped out at me while staring at this data from her previous runs:

The VERY LAST RUN before she changed her PRIVACY settings on the MapMyRun app In Sept. 2016, was the out and back walk down BSR. One that put her in the area of the cart path twice during the 2-mile walk on September 6th 2015.

At that time, she had been running VERY regularly, almost daily- In NY and when visiting Princeton. WHAT happened to cause her to change those privacy settings, not while in NY, but seemingly while in PRINCETON, seemingly just following a morning walk down BSR????
Did she see someone suspicious on this road? Had she seen him already behaving strangely during her runs on the 3rd or 4th?

Could This person could have possibly registered as a potential threat to her almost a year previous?? Would certainly point to a local or semi-local.

Why change your settings after running in Princeton and not NY? Seems VERY VERY strange to me.

There may have been something that caused her to change it.
Does it show the date she changed it? In other words, could she have changed it 3 days after she returned to NY, but before she ran again down there?
If she changed it the same day as her run in Princeton, I'd lean more to having a reason.

 

[ForensicMass]

There may have been something that caused her to change it.
Does it show the date she changed it? In other words, could she have changed it 3 days after she returned to NY, but before she ran again down there?
If she changed it the same day as her run in Princeton, I'd lean more to having a reason.

We only know she changed it after this run and before she ran again. But for reference, leading up to the 6th, she ran on 8/30, 9/1, 9/2, 9/3, 9/4 (twice) then 9/6. That certainly suggests it wasn't long before her next run.

Her pace was noticibly faster on her return mile on the sept 6th walk. Going to compare that to other similar runs.

And further, this route was the only one where she went out and came directly back the way she started. Maybe she felt threatened and turned around?

 

[Rocky1]

We only know she changed it after this run and before she ran again. But for reference, leading up to the 6th, she ran on 8/30, 9/1, 9/2, 9/3, 9/4 (twice) then 9/6. That certainly suggests it wasn't long before her next run.

Her pace was noticibly faster on her return mile on the sept 6th walk. Going to compare that to other similar runs.

And further, this route was the only one where she went out and came directly back the way she started. Maybe she felt threatened and turned around?

Maybe so, but having Chrons leaves so many questions a possiblilty that her actions could have been related to that.

 

[Rocky1]

Looking at BSR, the guardrail to the right, and the opening to the left, If she was in fact ambushed leads me to believe it happened while she was walking North rather than South. She would have seen it coming with the clearing if walking South, and if she walked past the path South, that means he would have had to drag her back North, because the guardrail would have been there,leaving more time for cars driving by to see him, I would think.

 

[ForensicMass]

Maybe so, but having Chrons leaves so many questions a possiblilty that her actions could have been related to that.

Another thing on the sept 6th 2015 run. All of her other Princeton runs were much longer- 8.2mi, 5.6 mi, 6.4mi. And each of those longer runs started with the same stretch of BSR, heading north from her moms. The sept 6th run, she turns around after only 1 mile, and begins to head home. She turns back just as she gets to the BOYLSTON AVE intersect. Just when she has line-of-sight down BOYLSTON and RADFORD. Was she planning to go further, as she had seemingly always done before? And something spooked her? Could she see something down the road?

 

[ForensicMass]

Looking at BSR, the guardrail to the right, and the opening to the left, If she was in fact ambushed leads me to believe it happened while she was walking North rather than South. She would have seen it coming with the clearing if walking South, and if she walked past the path South, that means he would have had to drag her back North, because the guardrail would have been there,leaving more time for cars driving by to see him, I would think.

I see where you're coming from on that. If she were jogging or walking along the guard rail on the right side of the road heading north, she could definitely be surprised by someone coming out of the path.

 

[liz b.]

I may have just found something USEFUL!!!
Maybe it's nothing but something just jumped out at me while staring at this data from her previous runs:

The VERY LAST RUN before she changed her PRIVACY settings on the MapMyRun app In Sept. 2016, was the out and back walk down BSR. One that put her in the area of the cart path twice during the 2-mile walk on September 6th 2015.

At that time, she had been running VERY regularly, almost daily- In NY and when visiting Princeton. WHAT happened to cause her to change those privacy settings, not while in NY, but seemingly while in PRINCETON, seemingly just following a morning walk down BSR????
Did she see someone suspicious on this road? Had she seen him already behaving strangely during her runs on the 3rd or 4th?

Could This person could have possibly registered as a potential threat to her almost a year previous?? Would certainly point to a local or semi-local.

Why change your settings after running in Princeton and not NY? Seems VERY VERY strange to me.

But why would she run at all in Princeton after someone had bothered her so much ? After all, she could presumably still run daily when she was in Manhattan ?

 

[Rocky1]

I see where you're coming from on that. If she were jogging or walking along the guard rail on the right side of the road heading north, she could definitely be surprised by someone coming out of the path.

Check out that gully behind the guardrail. I think he was waiting there, and was able to watch the road without being seen, and was able to see her coming closer. I posted the link a few pages back., Even cars driving by would not be able to see him with the guardrail , and weeds below it blocking the gully.

 

[Rocky1]

But why would she run at all in Princeton after someone had bothered her so much ? After all, she could presumably still run daily when she was in Manhattan ?

Could have been a turn around point. It looks likes she turned around there on the Aug. 16th walk as well?

 

[ForensicMass]

But why would she run at all in Princeton after someone had bothered her so much ? After all, she could presumably still run daily when she was in Manhattan ?

That's an important observation. To me that sounds like this is not a specific individual that she knows, then. But just someone she happened to see along her route that gave her the creeps that one time, or maybe twice, but she didn't recognize him as someone who was always around the area. Just thought he was weird but wouldn't see him again. After all, she surely knew there were weirdos along her routes in NY too, and that didn't stop her. But with that in mind, I think if she had felt a specific threat from a specific person she knew she would encounter on the runs in Princeton, she may have discontinued running there.

 

[ForensicMass]

Could have been a turn around point. It looks likes she turned around there on the Aug. 16th walk as well?

Are you looking at map my run data? Aug 16th 2015 shows as having been in New York on my end? Do you mean a different date?

 

[Rocky1]

Are you looking at map my run data? Aug 16th 2015 shows as having been in New York on my end? Do you mean a different date?

Sorry, wrong date 9-6-2015

 

[ForensicMass]

Sorry, wrong date 9-6-2015

Yes, that's precisely the one I am talking about. It's just after that recording that the privacy settings changed. And that makes me think she changed the settings because of something in Princeton. Because if she went home to NY, she probably wouldn't think to change it unless she went on a run there and something happened during that run to cause her to change the settings. But at that point, the last run shown would have been NY. She ran several times in Princeton, then after that Odd BSR turn around, turned settings to private. Something's up with that!

 

[Rocky1]

Yes, that's precisely the one I am talking about. It's just after that recording that the privacy settings changed. And that makes me think she changed the settings because of something in Princeton. Because if she went home to NY, she probably wouldn't think to change it unless she went on a run there and something happened during that run to cause her to change the settings. But at that point, the last run shown would have been NY. She ran several times in Princeton, then after that Odd BSR turn around, turned settings to private. Something's up with that!

Not sure why she changed the settings, but maybe she turned around because it was 91 degrees, and just too hot for her to continue.

 

[ForensicMass]

Not sure why she changed the settings, but maybe she turned around because it was 91 degrees, and just too hot for her to continue.

It was only 80 degrees at the time of the run at 10:25 AM. She had been running a lot that week, maybe she was tiring out, and that would explain the turn around but not the settings change. On the other hand, if she saw something or someone unsettling, that could explain BOTH the turnaround and the settings change.

Think about it more, there could be something here. After all, if this is someone local, he would have probably been around 9 months before the attack. Especially for those that contend that he had seen her for a while. It's a creepy thought, but this guy might have been around during those runs the previous September.

 

[liz b.]

Yes, that's precisely the one I am talking about. It's just after that recording that the privacy settings changed. And that makes me think she changed the settings because of something in Princeton. Because if she went home to NY, she probably wouldn't think to change it unless she went on a run there and something happened during that run to cause her to change the settings. But at that point, the last run shown would have been NY. She ran several times in Princeton, then after that Odd BSR turn around, turned settings to private. Something's up with that!

Did she have a stalker who mentioned the running route in Princeton ? If she felt threatened I would think stopping running in Princeton, rather that changing an online setting would be the thing she would have done. Or both...

But I think there is something to what you have posted. It does seem odd. Wonder if she said anything to anyone ? I wondered about VM's life in Princeton.Did she still have friends there who she saw ?

 

[Rocky1]

It was only 80 degrees at the time of the run at 10:25 AM. She had been running a lot that week, maybe she was tiring out, and that would explain the turn around but not the settings change. On the other hand, if she saw something or someone unsettling, that could explain BOTH the turnaround and the settings change.

Think about it more, there could be something here. After all, if this is someone local, he would have probably been around 9 months before the attack. Especially for those that contend that he had seen her for a while. It's a creepy thought, but this guy might have been around during those runs the previous September.

You may very well be right, but, why didn't she run, back, instead of walk that day, if something creeped her out that much?

 

[Rocky1]

Did she have a stalker who mentioned the running route in Princeton ? If she felt threatened I would think stopping running in Princeton, rather that changing an online setting would be the thing she would have done. Or both...

But I think there is something to what you have posted. It does seem odd. Wonder if she said anything to anyone ? I wondered about VM's life in Princeton.Did she still have friends there who she saw ?

I was just thinking about that. If someone was stalking her, even if she didn't tell anyone in Princeton, I would think she would in NY, even if it was in a convo when someone asked her how her weekend went.

 

[ForensicMass]

You may very well be right, but, why didn't she run, back, instead of walk that day, if something creeped her out that much?

I wondered that too. Her second mile was a bit faster than her first, 10 mins versus 12.....

I just looked at a graph of that run and it's very weird. It appears she stopped very briefly at about 5-7 mins in, or was barely advancing. Then again 2 minutes later same thing. My best guess is phone call. Changing music or looking at phone, or may someone pulling up beside her. The last half of the run she does actually speed up to 8:30 mile, which is fairly fast for her, based on her other runs. The graph shows she actually does run.