MA - Vanessa Marcotte, 27, murdered, Princeton, 7 Aug 2016 #6

[DeDee]

And I assume her hair could only be what was burned on her head and maybe her fingers ans toes not the whole foot or hands since they haven't specificed

After watching the video from Bob Ward, posted here earlier and seeing what he called the fire pit, it is hard to imagine only 3 areas of her body burned, unless they meant those were areas most burned. I suppose if he lit those 3 areas to get the fire going throughout. But it does clearly appear to be a scene of a fire. Not just injuries. Which appears to be attempt to get rid of DNA or everything.

Regarding VMs burns, they did not keep her from having an open casket service. I read where a guest mentioned how beautifully angelic she looked.

 

[ThinkHard]

When you mention her being brought to that location, it makes more sense if that happened that it would be someone further on her route, attacking her close to his location ,then putting her there to look as though it happened at the beginning of her route before ever reaching (his area). (all the while not wanting to bring her more of a distance on a hot day, that would lead to more evidence in his vehicle) But there are multiple scenarios.

Yes, I have thought this from early on....something about the crime scene has always seemed staged to me....I think a lot was done to make it look like something else.....including leaving her body where it was.

 

[Kickoff61]

Regarding VMs burns, they did not keep her from having an open casket service. I read where a guest mentioned how beautifully angelic she looked.

I see. I looked at Bob Ward's photos on the video put in here, and there was clearly a fire at the scene.

 

[Kickoff61]

Yes, I have thought this from early on....something about the crime scene has always seemed staged to me....I think a lot was done to make it look like something else.....including leaving her body where it was.

I agree, there is something about that location for sure.

 

[Kickoff61]

I didn't realize a driveway to a house is so close to the path , right across the street. I already thought this was brazen enough in the afternoon like it was, but that location near that driveway, is just unbelievable.

 

[Kickoff61]

How could someone spend any length of time there doing this - meaning the entire situation, struggle, killing and then starting fire, cover up etc. In daylight with a driveway right there? And traffic going by as well. It continues to feel too long to me and if the SUV is involved I still believe for only part of the time.

 

[The Farm]

She was 27 so it would be her own insurance. 26 is the cut off to be on parents plans. Her plan would be local to her state, seeing Dr's in ma wouldn't be impossible but would be out of network so tougher.

I have MA. BC/BS and I can literally go anyplace in the country. Providers can be out of network even in the state you hold the insurance.
I will bet that google offers a good medical insurance plan and that she could have continued to see her own doctors in MA. as long as they like any other providers were in-network.

 

[The Farm]

I agree, there is something about that location for sure.

I think the something is that he knew it well.

 

[Kickoff61]

I think the something is that he knew it well.

I think you are right. And now after reviewing photos and maps, in no way do I believe he was new to the area or just passing through.

 

[Rocky1]

I just watched on FB
Bob Ward FOX25 News's live video.
November 3 ·

Within the first minute, Bob says that VM was expected to take the train back to NY.

I cannot imagine a young lady riding on a bus for almost four hours on Fri to visit her mother and again on Sunday to go back to NYC twice a month. Taking the train makes more sense to me. I believe this reporter, Bob Ward.

In the live report, BW shows images from the crime scene and describes the burn pit (his words). The burn area stretches over a larger than I expected.

https://www.facebook.com/fox25news/videos/10154353097608122/?hc_ref=SEARCH

Thanks for the video DeDee.
That's the first time I saw that , but not the first time I saw the photos of the "fire pit," and after looking again at that log laying horizontally, with the 4 foot long burn mark, I'm throwing the "torch theory" out completely. I know it's been discussed that maybe he did "test burns" (God knows why) but even if he did, who's going to burn a 4 foot long mark before somehow they know the flame is just right? Combine that with the left over ash from the "pit" and the vertical tree, and to me it just doesn't add up.
I have thought all along that he lit her on fire and got out of there fast, and although nobody knows for sure yet, after looking again, I see dirt all over that area that could explain why the fire didn't spread.
I'm not sure what that "apron" along the road had to do with what happened, but what BW said, didn't mean much to me anyway.
He stated that a car could have been backed in the path, followed by that the grass was high then, and to me, if the car was backed in, it would have matted down the grass, and :LE would have known that a car was parked in the path in the first hour . To me, if they knew that, they would have let the public know that much anyway, on the Aug 11th press conference, and not have waited 3 months and still only give a vague description of a SUV parked "near" the crime scene. JMO.

 

[Rocky1]

One thing I really disagree on in the Bob Ward video is the idea that the only way she would have been killed by someone she knows is if they had done it in NYC. And saying that it can't be somone who knew her or had some grievance....because they would have done it in NYC.

I'm sorry I know these people are professional but that some seriously holey logic.....if someone from NYC had a grievance then yes they'd likely kill her in NYC and not track her to Princeton.....but if someone from back home had a grievance....getting out of the house for a few hours is a lot easier to cover then taking off to New York City to commit the crime.

I mean to me that's just obvious...I don't get the logic that if the perp was known to her he would have killed her in NYC....this only holds true if he was also from NYC...but it's totally off base if he's living near Princeton.

I agree. That didn't make sense to me either.

 

[Rocky1]

Good Morning everyone,

As I have said from the get go I too also believe that this is a local and he could be someone of prominance or from a prominant local family.
I am also thinking that LE might just have his number but the evidance is just not there and LE's hands are tied because of that.
OR he could just be a regular guy but a local just the same.
I also feel that if family members or friends have any suspicions it is of a very small number, maybe one and they are not sure of blowing the horn on him.
I really want to say he is somewhat of a loner but like us all I could be wrong.

The thing that keeps coming to my mind is, if LE "has his number", then why spend so much time and money on a DNA dragnet? There are many easier ways they can get his DNA. They could send him something in the mail saying he won a free trip for example, and all he has to do is reply. Then they can get the DNA off of the envelope. I can think of many ways that are less expensive and less time consuming.To me, they don't seem to be zeroed in on anyone.
I could be wrong too.

 

[Kickoff61]

Thanks for the video DeDee.
That's the first time I saw that , but not the first time I saw the photos of the "fire pit," and after looking again at that log laying horizontally, with the 4 foot long burn mark, I'm throwing the "torch theory" out completely. I know it's been discussed that maybe he did "test burns" (God knows why) but even if he did, who's going to burn a 4 foot long mark before somehow they know the flame is just right? Combine that with the left over ash from the "pit" and the vertical tree, and to me it just doesn't add up.
I have thought all along that he lit her on fire and got out of there fast, and although nobody knows for sure yet, after looking again, I see dirt all over that area that could explain why the fire didn't spread.
I'm not sure what that "apron" along the road had to do with what happened, but what BW said, didn't mean much to me anyway.
He stated that a car could have been backed in the path, followed by that the grass was high then, and to me, if the car was backed in, it would have matted down the grass, and :LE would have known that a car was parked in the path in the first hour . To me, if they knew that, they would have let the public know that much anyway, on the Aug 11th press conference, and not have waited 3 months and still only give a vague description of a SUV parked "near" the crime scene. JMO.

Exactly. I don't see any reason to think there was a torch involved. Nothing has been reported as such and by looking at that photo, it simply seems like a fire was lit and caused what is seen. Also you are right, with dirt around. That may have kept it from spreading.

 

[Kickoff61]

The thing that keeps coming to my mind is, if LE "has his number", then why spend so much time and money on a DNA dragnet? There are many easier ways they can get his DNA. They could send him something in the mail saying he won a free trip for example, and all he has to do is reply. Then they can get the DNA off of the envelope. I can think of many ways that are less expensive and less time consuming.To me, they don't seem to be zeroed in on anyone.
I could be wrong too.

Anyone could mail back the envelope and many people's DNA would be on it. I don't believe it is that simple. This has to be done by standards that hold up in court for a trial and conviction.

 

[Rocky1]

Even with those who may know him and be in denial. LE asked for calls in about anyone who may have had 'access' to a dark SUV that day. So, there is still responsibility to report that part.

Sometimes no matter how evil someone may be, family will stick up for them to the end. And there are some that think no matter how evil they are, in the families mind, they can do no wrong and are in denial.
You are right that it should be reported, but even though someones family member is driving a dark SUV with cuts and scrapes and lives next door to the crime scene,(example only) they could not believe he would ever be involved, so they won't call.

 

[Kickoff61]

Sometimes no matter how evil someone may be, family will stick up for them to the end. And there are some that think no matter how evil they are, in the families mind, they can do no wrong and are in denial.
You are right that it should be reported, but even though someones family member is driving a dark SUV with cuts and scrapes and lives next door to the crime scene,(example only) they could not believe he would ever be involved, so they won't call.

Yes, I see what you mean.

 

[Rocky1]

Looking at the google map again, it is just shocking how close the driveway is across the street, a little bit diagonal to the path. Anyone could have heard things from that yard, or walked to end of driveway or driven out and seen anything right there in the day time when this happened. It brings to question did he know who lives there? Know they weren't home? or trying to make it look like that person? It is almost too unbelievable to be so close to that driveway for all this to be happening.

All true.
Remember, it was an extreemly hot and humid that day, and unless you are hanging around the swimming pool, I think it's fair too say most people were inside with the windows closed and the A/C running, and wouldn't have heard much.
Even the grass didn't grow much last summer being in such a drought, so that leaves out mowing the lawn, and if someone was, the sound of the mower would drown out many sounds.

 

[Kickoff61]

All true.
Remember, it was an extreemly hot and humid that day, and unless you are hanging around the swimming pool, I think it's fair too say most people were inside with the windows closed and the A/C running, and wouldn't have heard much.
Even the grass didn't grow much last summer being in such a drought, so that leaves out mowing the lawn, and if someone was, the sound of the mower would drown out many sounds.

Yes, and actually his DNA must have been all around that fire area, just from sweating.

 

[Rocky1]

Regarding VMs burns, they did not keep her from having an open casket service. I read where a guest mentioned how beautifully angelic she looked.

I'm not so sure about the open casket.
That guest could have been talking about a picture that was placed in the church, or talking about her in general.

 

[Kickoff61]

He could have thought the fire was going to get rid of everything and not spread too far with the dirt around or what BW called a fire pit.