Found Deceased MA - Zachary Marr, 22, Boston, 13 Feb 2016 #1

[Safeguard]

Plus didnt he live in Leominster?

He was raised in Leominster, but Lived in Harvard at this time.

 

[jggordo]

I believe many of the incidents of males leaving bars and ending up in bodies of water are both copycats and a way of disposing a body after a killing the victim. After a short time in the water not being found most of all if not all forensic evidence is not usable.

Just look at the Andrew Sadek case in ND. He was found in the river or creek weighed down with rocks in his backpack. A 22 bullet hole in his head. His death was ruled a suicide.

JMO's

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?242857-ND-Andrew-Sadek-20-Wahpeton-1-May-2014

 

[ZhaZhaHa]

Harvard University and Harvard, MA are two completely different places. We're not talking about Harvard University.

Thanks! I put it into google search and it wasn't giving me a plain Harvard, MA. My mistake! Then he DEFINITELY didn't plan to walk home as it would be a 10 hour walk. I'm back on being stumped. I have no idea why he went towards the water.

 

[sun16]

Right. I know nothing about Harvard, MA or Leominster, but no, can't see him thinking he's walking home from there. He's must have been way off for north station and thinking there's s train at 2am. Or, maybe he was meeting someone sonewhere over there. The phone calls he made or messages sent after leaving bar would help. What might be interesting is what is the time stamp (the time) they show on the video when he went into the water? Around 2am? Or much later?

 

[wendybtn]

When I was 18-20, I took home a co-worker during a snowstorm at the end of our 3-11 pm shift. I knew these roads like the back of my hand. No drinking or other substances involved. I got so lost just because the snow was already piled up and still blowing and snowing. I finally got home after getting lost again. I was sure I was going the correct direction on certain roads. I was way off on what roads I was on and where I was headed. It was one of the scarier moments of my life. I can easily see someone with a bit of drink in them, in a city they don't live in, getting lost and having a tragic accident.

 

[frisson]

Upthread the media link said that he was not seen on video, " trying to re-enter" the Bell in Hand. His coat and cousins were inside. Well, the ONLY thing that makes sense to me is that someone... a bouncer... a staff member ... someone told him upon leaving that he could not re-enter. Because OF COURSE he'd try to re-enter. Why didn't he try? He was told not to. imo

 

[TMAN2014]

Upthread the media link said that he was not seen on video, " trying to re-enter" the Bell in Hand. His coat and cousins were inside. Well, the ONLY thing that makes sense to me is that someone... a bouncer... a staff member ... someone told him upon leaving that he could not re-enter. Because OF COURSE he'd try to re-enter. Why didn't he try? He was told not to. imo

If that speculation is true, was he told "as he was leaving" or after he left? Did he actually tell the bouncers that his coat was inside? Did he mistakenly think he could not re-enter? Was he just disoriented at that point? A lot of these answers we will never know.

 

[frisson]

If that speculation is true, was he told "as he was leaving" or afterward he left? Did he actually tell the bouncers that his coat was inside? Did he mistakenly think he could not re-enter? Was he just disoriented at that point? A lot of these answers we will never know.

It is only speculation and I said "imo." I did read here on some page that there was no video of him trying to re-enter. Of course we'll never know. I doubt anyone will admit anything to that effect now that he is missing. Imo if he thought that he would be permitted to re enter, he would have at least tried.

 

[CARIIS]

Confused are they tallking about yhis bridge ot somrwhere diff

People cannot get on the bridge. They have walkways for people..If you notice the person actually on the protected walkway and her height in relationship to the barrier , and imagine her falling down she would, in all liklihood IMO smash her head aginist the inward facing top of the barrier. IMO a typical persons hight (Center of gravity) would prohibit the person from cartwheeling over the top of the inner facing top of the the barrier.

I would assume enginners desisgned the top of the barrier to prohibit that from happening. They are angled out before the curve up.

If someone were 8.5 feet tall maybe they could cart wheel over and plunge into the water.

Vandalism should not be a major problem with theZakim Bridge primarily because the bridge is solely a vehicle bridge :

http://www.bath.ac.uk/ace/uploads/StudentProjects/Bridgeconference2009/Papers/VADGAMA.pdf

As far as I know when someone is slipping. the first thing that happens,for lack of a better descriptor they get "shorter" further reducing the liklihood IMO, of cartwheeling over and falling in.

Again I think folks who design the bridge , do not want a slipping person to plunge to their death. Lawsuit protection. I would think slipping and falling down , in a cold city would include design for "slips".

Please notice how it was worded LE re video . Their statement "suddenly "disaappeared".. I would think normal word chocie IMO whould suddenly fell, or jumped over..

"Disappeared" made me think of the supernatural - poof .....

just MO

If you look at this picture, and visualize him passing out , it looks like, IMO as a result of the height of barrier, he too would remain on the walkway.

Google images

 

[Momoffourboys]

Is that a pedestrian walkway?
Does anyone know if he was seen on the walkway? On the actual bridge?
Is there a sidewalk on the bridge? TIA

 

[Momoffourboys]

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/lo...eo_appears_to_show_missing_man_in_icy_charles

SH!$!!!!

 

[Momoffourboys]

Boston police have obtained new video footage that appears to show a 22-year-old Harvard man entering the icy waters of the Charles River near the Charles River Dam on the night he went missing, police say.

"We were shown some new video that pointed us in the direction of where we're searching," BPD spokesman Officer Stephen McNulty told the Herald.

The video, McNulty said, appears to show Zachary Marr enter the water in the area of 125 Nashua St. in the early-morning hours of Feb. 13.

Dive teams have been scouring parts of the Charles River and Boston Harbor ever since Marr went missing while celebrating his 22nd birthday near Faneuil Hall.

Marr was celebrating at the Bell in Hand Tavern on Union Street when he went out into the bitter cold about 1:20 a.m. to smoke a cigarette, leaving his coat behind, said Kyle Ford, one of the cousins who had been with him.

A few minutes later, Marr sent another cousin a Snapchat, saying that he was not allowed back inside, Ford said. By the time the three of them grabbed their belongings and went outside, he said, Marr was gone.

On its Facebook page, Bell In Hand said its surveillance video shows Marr leaving the tavern at 1:20 a.m., without trying to re-enter.

Ford called Marr’s cellphone six times and while the first two calls rang, the rest went straight to voicemail, he said.

Developing...

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/lo...eo_appears_to_show_missing_man_in_icy_charles

 

[bellesnwhistles]

So heartbreaking and I feel terrible for his cousins. Why didn't he answer his phone and where was he going? So strange

 

[Safeguard]

I believe many of the incidents of males leaving bars and ending up in bodies of water are both copycats and a way of disposing a body after a killing the victim. After a short time in the water not being found most of all if not all forensic evidence is not usable.

Just look at the Andrew Sadek case in ND. He was found in the river or creek weighed down with rocks in his backpack. A 22 bullet hole in his head. His death was ruled a suicide.

JMO's

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?242857-ND-Andrew-Sadek-20-Wahpeton-1-May-2014

Yes but it's pretty well known how that he was blackmailed by LE in to ratting out campus dealers, so that's how he came to be murdered.

https://reason.com/reasontv/2015/06/15/the-disposable-lives-of-confidential-inf

 

[ZhaZhaHa]

Boston police have obtained new video footage that appears to show a 22-year-old Harvard man entering the icy waters of the Charles River near the Charles River Dam on the night he went missing, police say.

"We were shown some new video that pointed us in the direction of where we're searching," BPD spokesman Officer Stephen McNulty told the Herald.

The video, McNulty said, appears to show Zachary Marr enter the water in the area of 125 Nashua St. in the early-morning hours of Feb. 13.

Dive teams have been scouring parts of the Charles River and Boston Harbor ever since Marr went missing while celebrating his 22nd birthday near Faneuil Hall.

Marr was celebrating at the Bell in Hand Tavern on Union Street when he went out into the bitter cold about 1:20 a.m. to smoke a cigarette, leaving his coat behind, said Kyle Ford, one of the cousins who had been with him.

A few minutes later, Marr sent another cousin a Snapchat, saying that he was not allowed back inside, Ford said. By the time the three of them grabbed their belongings and went outside, he said, Marr was gone.

On its Facebook page, Bell In Hand said its surveillance video shows Marr leaving the tavern at 1:20 a.m., without trying to re-enter.

Ford called Marr’s cellphone six times and while the first two calls rang, the rest went straight to voicemail, he said.

Developing...

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/lo...eo_appears_to_show_missing_man_in_icy_charles

Oh wow, the dock sort of walking ramp there is where I was looking on the map but I figured since they were on the bridge searching, that was where they thought he might have gone off. I can see how he just walked on into the water from there. But WHY?

 

[ZhaZhaHa]

Here's what I was looking at, wondering if this was it

 

[ZhaZhaHa]

And here is a view from the bridge

 

[ZhaZhaHa]

Now I honestly wonder if he meant to do it...

 

[Trilogy]

Oh wow, the dock sort of walking ramp there is where I was looking on the map but I figured since they were on the bridge searching, that was where they thought he might have gone off. I can see how he just walked on into the water from there. But WHY?

That whole area has to be well lit at night, for a number of reasons. It was icy, maybe?

God, that poor kid.

 

[CARIIS]

I believe many of the incidents of males leaving bars and ending up in bodies of water are both copycats and a way of disposing a body after a killing the victim. After a short time in the water not being found most of all if not all forensic evidence is not usable.

Hi J

I believe many of the incidents of males leaving bars and ending up in bodies of water are both copycats and a way of disposing a body after a killing the victim.

That is my second view. If we are talking crime

Just look at the Andrew Sadek case in ND. He was found in the river or creek weighed down with rocks in his backpack. A 22 bullet hole in his head. His death was ruled a suicide.

JMO's

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?242857-ND-Andrew-Sadek-20-Wahpeton-1-May-2014

I believe many of the incidents of males leaving bars and ending up in bodies of water are both copycats and a way of disposing a body after a killing the victi

I concur - second choice Fouls Play. I think first choice is despondancy of gma. He evidently was very close to her. The notion that the next day they were over there to empty her home - for a kid hase got to me pretty devasting.

I found this to be both telling and jprofound

Zachary was very close to his paternal grandmother, who died last month after battling breast cancer for 16 years. The family had planned to clean out her apartment on Saturday, but instead focused on an intensive search.
“He called me (recently) to say he was down at his grandma’s house, just sitting there,’’

https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2016/02/16/father-worry-his-son-goes-missing/mPCt0RQvnNnZ2mLpLsC9IN/story.html