Found Deceased MA - Zachary Marr, 22, Boston, 13 Feb 2016 #1

[Spider92]

Ok, so sending a snap chat is not unusual so I withdraw my comment that it was odd. My point, however was that his snap chat message to Amanda seems to be the sole piece of evidence that he could not get back inside the bar. That message is gone. When Amanda read it, she had no reason to believe that there was a problem: it was just a routine message sent from one young bar patron to another very late at night. Maybe she remembers it correctly, maybe not. I find it hard to indict the bar on that one item.
As for suicide, it's a possibility but we can't know his state of mind at the time. It was zero degrees. I find it hard to believe that he made a conscious decision to walk 6-7 blocks so he could kill himself by jumping in a frigid body of water from a nearby walkway.

 

[Safeguard]

I agree. Very "hard to believe".

 

[CARIIS]

For those unfamiliar with Snapchat, here is a recent article that might give a little insight on the way some teens use it these days:
http://www.buzzfeed.com/benrosen/how-to-snapchat-like-the-teens

I know Zachary is older, but it gives a little insight into the culture that surrounds it. Every teen I know uses Snapchat more than any other mobile application.

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huh

my goodness can you imagine any of these folks having a meaningful relationship with another human being when all they know is how to fly thro 20 second pics of each other!

Boy conflict relosution, being able to communicate etc is going to be a new entity -- sad thing about it is it is learned thing over many years ----facinating article tho thanx

my favorite line in it was :

I don’t really see what they send. I tap through so fast. It’s rapid fire.

that is what they call "friends" sounds like stamp collecting !!!

Twitter now seems very involved , deep and meaningful --ha!


scary ................................

 

[Spider92]

Is a bit creepy ....

Boston Police indicates that Munsell was last seen near the Long Wharf area consistent with reports that was where his cell phone was last “pinged” before he went missing.

Earlier on the night he went missing, Munsell was at Market Lounge on Broad Street celebrating his 24th birthday with friend

stumbled his way into the men’s room, and at that point he was escorted out, not given the option of retrieving his coat,” his mother told NECN.

ast seen near the Long Wharf area consistent with reports that was where his cell phone was last “pinged” before he went missing. The current search is centered around the Boston Harbor waterfront area near Long Wharf and Christopher Columbus Park.

http://northendwaterfront.com/2014/02/small-clues-but-no-progress-on-search-for-missing-north-ender-eric-munsell/

If I remember correctly, the bar that served Munsell did not deny that they escorted him out of the bar (to put it politely). I even have a vague memory that there was a lawsuit or financial settlement in that case but I could be wrong on that. I also believe he was spotted at another bar shortly thereafter. I think Munsell was from PA or somewhere south of New England but he went to college in Boston (Northeastern perhaps?) and worked locally for GE. He knew the area and if he wanted to pee in the ocean, he knew where to find it. There was no speculation of suicide in Munsell's case and reports were that he likely tripped over the black low hanging iron "rope chains" that surround the harbor near Rowes Wharf. I think it was a month or two before they found Eric Munsell in the water. Similar cases but Zach did not know the area and had to wander several blocks before he stumbled upon some water. I just wish Zach had hung around for another ten minutes to wait for his cousins. Maybe we will never know why he did not.

 

[CARIIS]

I was thinking along similar lines. But what has me hesitating is this: if he was intent on self harm, would he have sent a message to his cousin "hey they aren't letting me in let's leave"? Or would he have tried to throw them off trail by saying something like " hey, met a friend, see ya later". I mean what If they came out right away instead of 10 mins later?

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Our defination of winter is 52 degree and we layer up!! I would imagine that people used to this kind of stuff know it has to take some time just to get ready to "depart" and reenter the artic,
But the thing that bugs me as far as the bar goes (after evidently what has been somewhat of a string of these events ) is them going out of the way stating that he was welcome back in -- justs sounds CYA eeee especially considering the accusations the other bars seem to have experienced after events like this

There timeline are getting earlier in the evening

 

[CARIIS]

After 4 days in anyone know where he worked/ what he was studying/smy relationship history/ who he lived with/ any siblings/notions about bio mom/

 

[Eileen730]

Just now reading about his case. There are a lot of similarities.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...ne-M-Montgomery-21-Philadelphia-27-Nov-2014-1

Here is another!
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2014/03/31/search-on-in-hoboken-for-man-missing-since-sunday-morning/

 

[CARIIS]

Goodness it was like 9 degrees all this happened. 16 mph winds

Translates to -8 wind chill. Checking out impact on humans. Loss of dexterity in 32 degree water starts in 120 seconds

http://www.seagrant.umn.edu/coastal_communities/hypothermia#alcohol

Alcohol consumption can speed the onset and progression of hypothermia.

alcohol damages thermoregulation,

die from cardiac arrest brought on by sudden entry into cold water.

The torso reflex (also known as the gasp reflex or inhalation response) is a physiological reaction – an involuntarily gasp – that happens when a person suddenly enters cold water.



http://www.srh.noaa.gov/epz/?n=wxcalc_windchill

http://www.timeanddate.com/weather/usa/boston/historic

https://www.google.com/search?q=hyp..._sm=122&ie=UTF-8#q=hypothermia+exposure+chart

hypothermia, when the body's temperature dips below 95 degrees Fahrenheit. Warning signs include uncontrollable shivering, memory loss, disorientation, incoherence, slurred speech, drowsiness, and obvious exhaustion, according to the NWS.

Tid bits:

Might not have wanted his coat cost he would have to pay to get it out

Is Reditt a no no?

 

[CARIIS]

Tis is from Redditt so I dont know but I thought it was helpful

The north end is a warren of streets you'd have to zigzag through to get to the water. It's a straight shot down state street, but from the tavern past faneuil hall is zig zaggy

 

[Safeguard]

Here's the scoop on the 40 or so similar stories. The whole smiley face killer thing. Most are saying just coincidence, drunk and careless, but one person did wonder why black males out drinking don't seem to fall in the water and drown...


http://thoughtcatalog.com/jim-goad/...ory-that-connects-40-college-students-deaths/

 

[CARIIS]

My little brain is going coo coo !! Any of us know how long they were in bar - be interesting to know how much he drank? Bill would answer that.

Confusion if he was bounced. It would make sense if he was that he would not try to get back in. So we are really at loss here - if a bouncer threw him out in the cold w/o jacket - and then this of course they are going to deny.

So it could be kinda sneaky by stating on video he did not attempt to get back in -- in my younger years I have expericned being told to leave!! You dont try to get back in. So the bars "info" could be flat out BS - play on words - did not "attempt" to get back in. Especially if the person who kicked you out is standing in the door watching you stand in front of the bar. This might explain why there is a video of him across the street. Its congruent behavior with being bnounced, having people inside, his insta thing telling them he cant come back in and waits across street watching the bar for his friennds.

I would assume close to closing that management might not even know a bouncer told him not to try reentering.

Hi might have just been told if he goes out to smoke he cant get back in cause it is close to closing - and the video stamps are like 140 and 144.

That makes more sense than a lot of any thing we have heard thus far ! IMO

The more I reflect, this is the 10 biggest city in the country. Apparently this is a happening place from what I have read here. The notion that there are these large gaps in terms of cameras is really kinda an inuslt to ones inteligence.

This is also near a train or sub station yes? We all know how many cameras are in transportation hubs in AMerica. The more I think about it the only conclusion I can come up with is LE knows much more than releasing and may be tight lipped so not to tip off possible perps.

 

[ninij9]

Our defination of winter is 52 degree and we layer up!! I would imagine that people used to this kind of stuff know it has to take some time just to get ready to "depart" and reenter the artic,
But the thing that bugs me as far as the bar goes (after evidently what has been somewhat of a string of these events ) is them going out of the way stating that he was welcome back in -- justs sounds CYA eeee especially considering the accusations the other bars seem to have experienced after events like this

There timeline are getting earlier in the evening

I agree CARIIS. There needs to be some kind of mandate making bars more responsible for their patrons, here and across the pond we hear story after story of young adults either getting kicked out or unable to re-enter the establishments they got so tipsy in. Sort of like OSHA laws for consumers. I dunno. But I never do trust these bars. I've met way to many unsavory bouncers in my life.

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[JeannaT]

Here's the scoop on the 40 or so similar stories. The whole smiley face killer thing. Most are saying just coincidence, drunk and careless, but one person did wonder why black males out drinking don't seem to fall in the water and drown...


http://thoughtcatalog.com/jim-goad/...ory-that-connects-40-college-students-deaths/

NO ONE else seems to fall into the water and drown, except young white attractive men leaving a bar in the wee hours. Women, young and old don't do this. Older men of any race don't do this. This is why I believe there is some bizarre kidnapping thing to this when young attractive men leave a bar alone to make their way home.

In this one case of Zachary, he doesn't fit the mold. He wasn't known to be heading toward his car or apartment or dorm. He was purposely avoiding his family at the end of the evening.

The other "smiley face killers", I really believe there is something bizarre going on there.

 

[CARIIS]

I agree CARIIS. There needs to be some kind of mandate making bars more responsible for their patrons, here and across the pond we hear story after story of young adults either getting kicked out or unable to re-enter the establishments they got so tipsy in. Sort of like OSHA laws for consumers. I dunno. But I never do trust these bars. I've met way to many unsavory bouncers in my life.

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Me too!! Pretty much jerks with power and control issues !!

 

[cdogstu99]

You bring up some great points. I wondered why he woild go across the street for a smoke when he could just puff one right out front--there is plenty of room to do so. So he either got tossed and crossed the street or had other thoughts of doing something harmful to himself. But when you are 22 and highly intoxicated...anything is possible. Has anyone looked at his instagram page? Dude likes his craft brews. I mean thats all he ever really talked about. And while i cant blame him he seems slightly obsessed with drinking. I live in the Boston area and like another poster wrote it would have taken a little effort to find water through the north end but if he travelled along the highway he could have ducked it right for the bridge and jumped. The cops indicated that they were looking near the Zaykim Bridge based on a tip. Maybe someone saw him stumbling. One last thing--10 hours ago on BPD facebook post some girl claims she saw someone that looked like him very disoriented in NY. Not sure if anyone else caught that. Everyone keeps talking about the cold too but he did at least have a sweater on.

 

[Safeguard]

NO ONE else seems to fall into the water and drown, except young white attractive men leaving a bar in the wee hours. Women, young and old don't do this. Older men of any race don't do this. This is why I believe there is some bizarre kidnapping thing to this when young attractive men leave a bar alone to make their way home.

In this one case of Zachary, he doesn't fit the mold. He wasn't known to be heading toward his car or apartment or dorm. He was purposely avoiding his family at the end of the evening.

The other "smiley face killers", I really believe there is something bizarre going on there.

We don't know that he was " purposely avoiding his family" . (He could have just left, not text them at all). He was freezing his @ss off out there, if his phone died, he easily could've panicked and tried to find somewhere warm.

 

[CARIIS]

Munsell

now lets really try on bizaire lord...

On Feb. 11, detectives searched for Munsell in the water behind the Marriot Long Wharf Hotel and found another man struggling to climb out of the water.

That is freaky was second guy the killer ---just a ponder!!

https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2...-police-say/v8pKjSjcx5zfv0J075ob4L/story.html

 

[Safeguard]

I agree CARIIS. There needs to be some kind of mandate making bars more responsible for their patrons, here and across the pond we hear story after story of young adults either getting kicked out or unable to re-enter the establishments they got so tipsy in. Sort of like OSHA laws for consumers. I dunno. But I never do trust these bars. I've met way to many unsavory bouncers in my life.

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There's a quote from the movie, "As Good As It Gets" Jack Nicholson's character is sitting at a bar and he says to the bartender:

"I could've been with a beautiful woman tonight, instead, I'm sitting here with a drug dealer, pushing the world's last legal posion!".

Bars don't have too much invested in the health and wellbeing of their patrons. Jmo.

 

[cdogstu99]

Munsell

now lets really try on bizaire lord...

On Feb. 11, detectives searched for Munsell in the water behind the Marriot Long Wharf Hotel and found another man struggling to climb out of the water.

That is freaky was second guy the killer ---just a ponder!!

https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2...-police-say/v8pKjSjcx5zfv0J075ob4L/story.html

Wow thats a great catch. Cant imagine the cops would just let him go without questioning but it is odd.

 

[CARIIS]

Lets just say..................really drunk and blacked out and up dead in the water...

anyu of you think a ME would be able to make a differential diagnosis and be able to distinguish between just falling in or being thrown in. It seems as if the body would be the same if there was no over tviolence

which then translates to we might not ever know what happened to this poor guy

I do think it is pecular (only that) that the media has not "dug up " basics place of employ, interview some of them, peers in college found, interviewed, nighbors back home found interviewed we are in what day 6 and totally nothing in terms of history

the "issues" dad referred to remaining only that, was there any invol commiment, forced substance abuse treatment, criminal record -- how did he do earlier in high school etc etc

Its getting to be a bigger and bigger story and the reality here is we know nothing more than at the start in terms of backghround.

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