Found Deceased MA - Zachary Marr, 22, Boston, 13 Feb 2016 #1

[Safeguard]

Yeah that's what she stated. Have you looked at dude's Instagram page? Loves his craft beers. And most are probably 7-8% ABV. It's his birthday. Probably knocked back a few 7% ers before going out. Few birthday shots. Few more beers. Maybe a little weed. You don't know when those pictures were taken either. Plus who says there aren't pills involved? Pops something at the end of the night that totally screws with him--gets disoriented. Goes out for a smoke.

Ive been meaning to ask you, could you post the link to his instagram please?

 

[cdogstu99]

Ive been meaning to ask you, could you post the link to his instagram please?

Here you go:

https://www.instagram.com/zach.marr/

 

[JeannaT]

You've never been to Boston. If he was so bombed they would have likely just shut the door on him. I don't think they really care at that point. It's near closing time. The kid can't stand straight. They don't want him there any longer. They probably told him to call his friends and get out.

Well, I've been to Boston a lot and I'm not really sure that's as important as them having video that they handed over to LE and the family, that from their perspective clearly shows he didn't attempt to reenter the bar.

 

[Safeguard]

Well, I've been to Boston a lot and I'm not really sure that's as important as them having video that they handed over to LE and the family, that from their perspective clearly shows he didn't attempt to reenter the bar.

Actually it doesn't necessarily have to show anything but what the establishment wants seen.

 

[JeannaT]

Actually it doesn't necessarily have to show anything but what the establishment wants seen.

That's not true. If they had video of the door during the time he went outside, through the time a little after 2 a.m. when the search was beginning in earnest, it doesn't involve "what the bar wants seen". It's a video of the door during the time in question.

The family seemed satisfied on the bar's website that it was the truth and apparently they've seen the video.

It is baffling, I'll admit, that he would misunderstand that he wasn't allowed back in when he didn't attempt re-entry, so it's a bit of a mystery there.

 

[ZhaZhaHa]

But thing is, he didn't even get to the Bell till 10pm or a little after, and cousin Amanda stated he had maybe three drinks, (plus the one they had before leaving her southie apt).

I know you can't read too much into a still pic, but seeing some of the instagram pics from that night, he does not look that drunk/or stoned in them really.

I looked on IG and don't see pics from that night, though in another pic he mentions he's "lit", which means he's high. (Sorry, is this allowed to comment about?). I personally see nothing wrong with pot though and I don't think pot leads to heroine or shady meetups that cause people to go missing.

 

[cdogstu99]

I looked on IG and don't see pics from that night, though in another pic he mentions he's "lit", which means he's high. (Sorry, is this allowed to comment about?). I personally see nothing wrong with pot though and I don't think pot leads to heroine or shady meetups that cause people to go missing.

In my mind 'lit' could refer to pretty much anything--drunk as hell, high on weed whatever. But right pot is fine. But who really knows what he was into. We have no idea. There is a prescription bottle in one of the pictures--was that his? I guess my only assumption was that the cousin was very likely underestimating his drunkeness especially since it was his 22nd birthday.

 

[Safeguard]

I looked on IG and don't see pics from that night, though in another pic he mentions he's "lit", which means he's high. (Sorry, is this allowed to comment about?). I personally see nothing wrong with pot though and I don't think pot leads to heroine or shady meetups that cause people to go missing.

The pics from that night were from other people's instagram accounts and shared in the press. I agree he seems like many 20 something yr. olds who party.

I also observed that he enjoyed his Hellmans Real Mayonnaise, real Butter, Chicken and Bacon Calzone, and other delectables yet that does not make him obese, just as partying in your early twenties does not make one a Junkie. He may have those issues, but I have seen considerably worse, on instagram accounts, and in the real.

(Particularly in theTwin City, Fitchburg /Leominster area! I believe Zach was originally from Leominster? ).

I am just not getting the sense that he was even close to fall down wasted on the night/morning in question...

 

[ZhaZhaHa]

In my mind 'lit' could refer to pretty much anything--drunk as hell, high on weed whatever. But right pot is fine. But who really knows what he was into. We have no idea. There is a prescription bottle in one of the pictures--was that his? I guess my only assumption was that the cousin was very likely underestimating his drunkeness especially since it was his 22nd birthday.

Yea, I went back and thought on that a bit. I think it depends what area you are in and which generation you are speaking to! Lit definitely mean drunk, too. Sorry about that.

 

[TMAN2014]

I have no doubt that the bar prevented Zachary from re-entering after he went outside for a smoke. I have been the Boston downtown in the distant past. I remember not getting into bars as much as 30 minutes before closing time. I could just see the bouncers seeing some drunk/high guy, and just refusing entrance. You would think they would let him get his coat in those temperatures, if he even told them about his coat. Those bars sometimes show no common sense.

 

[rotary_dial]

I mentioned this in the Shane Montgomery threads when that case was active,IMO, it is always worth mentioning when someone disappears after drinking. Especially younger people who aren't fully experienced with drinking and mixing medications. That's not to say that Zachary does or does not have experience with it.

Zachary could be prescribed Adderall. You can drink a surprising amount while on Adderall and not get "drunk". When the affects of the amphetamine wear off, the alcohol can hit you very hard and turn you into a total mess. When I used to drink and use drugs, it happened to me. I've watched it happen to friends. It is possible to go from coherent to sloppy drunk in a very small amount of time without the introduction of any other drugs.





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[Safeguard]

I have no doubt that the bar prevented Zachary from re-entering after he went outside for a smoke. I have been the Boston downtown in the distant past. I remember not getting into bars as much as 30 minutes before closing time. I could just see the bouncers seeing some drunk/high guy, and just refusing entrance. You would think they would let him get his coat in those temperatures, if he even told them about his coat. Those bars sometimes show no common sense.

While I cannot say, I know for a fact, they barred him, his messages, actions, and the well know practice of many bars at closing, all point in that direction. The only opposing acount comes from...the Bell.

 

[cdogstu99]

Well wouldnt be the first time in Boston a bar kicked someone out...and then they ended up missing.

http://boston.eater.com/2015/9/15/9...ued-for-wrongful-death-following-patrons-2014

 

[Eileen730]

While I cannot say, I know for a fact, they barred him, his messages, actions, and the well know practice of many bars at closing, all point in that direction. The only opposing acount comes from...the Bell.

Question?
Is this a BAR?
Or a restaurant with a bar?

I don't think they locked him out. It was almost closing time anyway they would let him back in to get his things and leave with his friends.

 

[cvaldez1975]

online it is described as a dance club with 2 floors and 5 bars. those will not let you back in after 1:30.

Question?
Is this a BAR?
Or a restaurant with a bar?

I don't think they locked him out. It was almost closing time anyway they would let him back in to get his things and leave with his friends.

 

[cdogstu99]

Its a straight up college bar. If they kicked him out he wasnt getting back inside.

 

[cuffem]

It's almost how autistic children are drawn to water. So intoxicated young male adults seem inexplicably to suffer the same attraction. Research is needed!


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It is simple,drinking heavily and needing to urinate outside in the dark and they get to close to the edge of the water and stumble in.
This is what happened recently to Richard Cole a brit tourist visiting Amsterdam left a bar drunk and fell in a canal and drowned.

 

[CARIIS]

I'm in Colorado. In my 20's I probably would have gone out in freezing temps like that without a coat because it's one less thing to watch and I wanted to be cute (and I wouldn't want to pay to check it). In cold weather cities, you sort of adjust to the temperatures. 20 degrees for me would be nothing, 20 degrees for a Southerner would feel crippling. I know we're talking 9 degrees, and yes that's dang cold, but it's doable for a fun night out.

Hi!

Kinda funny- lived in warmth my whole existance - never thought about (until earlier in thread) that you have to pay someone to check it in and out !!Hey I probably would not even want to pay to check it IN!!

But as usual WS has been helpful. When I first heard about this, (a pattern now) check out some news clips, but when something feels wrong go to WS.

But at that point I was telling myself this is a missing person, happens all the time. But when I got here, was kinda validated, in that the tread was not at 42 - it was pretty rocking. Validated that there is something not ok with this.

And now, with all of us, we are not wrong. There is something very not ok here. And then its like oh sh$$, dont be stupid, with all the dishonest cops, politicians, teachers, priests bla bla America has lost it moral compass.

So, as we work through this together the more this seems as if LE knows this is an individual, but are being so sleazy as not to at least acknoldge something like "we have not ruled out a serial killer"

Bad for reelction. But we all know, if it were acknowledge (first step in realizing a need to "join" forces maybe we can stop this and get the person or copycats.

That is a sad indictment of where we are as a nation--whatever this is- it sure seems as if it is going to keep going on- and IMO that is repulsive
.

People are dying, and I think that becasue so many of these are not found with arms chopped off it does not strike many as horrid.

Drunk or not, for however long, in minus 9 has to be painful, certainly wake up ones inebriated self, which tranlates to feeling pain, confusion, difficulty breathing, falling shivering, hallucinating, -- it really cant be this painless suffering away until your body stops functioning>

I guess I am saying , it has to be a world of difference between a head on instant death - its a process of dying, sucumbing, slowly going away- and that must be a differenty experince than being in an airplane crash ... it just has to

...and I do think that is a componet of all of us being here on this one.......kinda want to maybe find out it was quick, if that makes sense

and from all we have learned and shared- at the end of the day - seems like he was , at the end of the day, a sweet, maybe lost at times, kid.

Doing the best he could when he could

its a sad story here

imo

 

[CARIIS]

The timing. The timing is off.

If Zach just ran out for a smoke or to make a quick call...it would have taken a couple of mins.

Something else took place during his time outside.

Still praying for him and his loving family.

so agree mom ---making me madder this is BS

 

[CARIIS]

I agree with this as well. He might not have remembered his jacket until he got out there, though. And "my jacket is still inside" might be a very likely plea. A bouncer would tell him to have a friend bring it out to him. He wouldn't let a drunk guy back in. Drunk guy goes back in and isn't leaving until everybody does, then the bouncer has an issue he has to deal with.

I also agree that the timing is all off. There seem to be 20 minutes of time missing. He went out at 1:20am but sent the messages at 1:40am. It's freaking me out a little.

you are not alone in the freaking out dept --- and why is LE not on our page- there are def things that are not calculating

and imagine how hard this on the family- they know also this aint adding up

sad