Found Deceased MA - Zachary Marr, 22, Boston, 13 Feb 2016 #1

[carbuff]

Also i forgot. There are i believe two or three different entrances to Bell In Hand. If he left one door maybe he tried to get back the other way but got denied. And maybe that entrance had no camera.

I think he thought the Market entrance was a pub entrance.


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[cdogstu99]

your mailbox is full !!!!

Ah thanks for letting me know! Just emptied it.

 

[carbuff]

can you metally remeber like , on the same side of the street,

I'll try to map it and pist some photos when I get back to my laptop. Can't do it on the phone.


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[CARIIS]

Also i forgot. There are i believe two or three different entrances to Bell In Hand. If he left one door maybe he tried to get back the other way but got denied. And maybe that entrance had no camera.

hi

do yo remeber like in order (sort of) like if we were doing Dominos (!) what stores are like right nezt door and then next door and then on the other side same thing

I am trying to see if I buy this. Like is the store right next to it one that may not have a camera etc, If it is mostly bars or nightspots this notion of nbo cameras has less crdibile,

Ha, if a garbage can maker was next door ok maybe no camera -- youknow what I am trying to understand.

It sounds like you have been there - its a rocking street yes ?

No cameras please - not sure maybe it would be neat to hear you say there is Klenex manufacoter right next door !!


Or an ashtray seller!! Or.....................

 

[cdogstu99]

I think he thought the Market entrance was a pub entrance.


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hmm i guess anything is possible. he had to cross the street to get there, so i guess depends on how truly messed up he was. my thought was that he might have gone over thinking he could buy smokes there.

 

[Spider92]

I say impossible! There has to be a person or group that is out of camera range that calls to the person to get them to walk out of camera range too. They are then attacked and taken to the water area for whatever reason. If their flys are all open, that is a sign of the same person committing the crime, not just going to the water to urinate and fell in. In my eyes, that is a lazy excuse from LE NOT to investigate.

My opinions only.

I can't imagine anybody attacking this guy and then dragging him 5-6 blocks to Boston Harbor without being seen.
I did read that Zach went out frequently that night for a smoke. He could have gone out at 1:20 AND at 1:40. We just don't know without seeing 30-40 minutes of tape.
If you do some Googling, you might see some possible connection here involving drugs. I posted it last night without a link and I think it got deleted by the mods (my apologies to the mods).....trying to step carefully here.

 

[CARIIS]

But thing is, he didn't even get to the Bell till 10pm or a little after, and cousin Amanda stated he had maybe three drinks, (plus the one they had before leaving her southie apt).

I know you can't read too much into a still pic, but seeing some of the instagram pics from that night, he does not look that drunk/or stoned in them really.

can youpost or link to his insta page for me i would love to see try too nothing

i do not know how I got to his FB, most of the time you have to login - I am having nothing to do with FB, the place is creepy-

I did however get a much richer sense of him from the FB thing tho

any my core takeaway was a bit troubled , sad 22 year old, preoccuipied with woman, relationships, money.

There were some anger issues with woman on his FB but his picture has the sad eyes --- not the one that has made mainstream - but sad eyes....just like the mainstream one IM<O

but would love to see his insta

 

[CARIIS]

Here you go:

https://www.instagram.com/zach.marr/

TY never seen an insta page !!

 

[cdogstu99]

hi

do yo remeber like in order (sort of) like if we were doing Dominos (!) what stores are like right nezt door and then next door and then on the other side same thing

I am trying to see if I buy this. Like is the store right next to it one that may not have a camera etc, If it is mostly bars or nightspots this notion of nbo cameras has less crdibile,

Ha, if a garbage can maker was next door ok maybe no camera -- youknow what I am trying to understand.

It sounds like you have been there - its a rocking street yes ?

No cameras please - not sure maybe it would be neat to hear you say there is Klenex manufacoter right next door !!


Or an ashtray seller!! Or.....................

Ill try to describe as best i can. Bell in Hand has a front entrance where you lineup to get into the bar. Also there is a back entrance--where people go out to smoke in the back alley. I say alley but it is just a common area between a few other different bars that are behind bell in hand. There are also several other drinking establishments right next to bell in hand--to the right of that front entrance. Now if we look to the left of that front entrance to the other side of the street--thats where the Boston Public Market sits (on Hanover St if looking at a map. Its an indoor farmers market (quite nice actually) but it was closed but the lights i think are left partially on so it might have looked like another bar or store maybe that Zach thought he could get into. If he went out the back door for a smoke and walked out that alley (which is Marshall St) he's over at Public Market in only a few minutes--its right there.

 

[cdogstu99]

I can't imagine anybody attacking this guy and then dragging him 5-6 blocks to Boston Harbor without being seen.
I did read that Zach went out frequently that night for a smoke. He could have gone out at 1:20 AND at 1:40. We just don't know without seeing 30-40 minutes of tape.
If you do some Googling, you might see some possible connection here involving drugs. I posted it last night without a link and I think it got deleted by the mods (my apologies to the mods).....trying to step carefully here.

was it an arrest?

 

[carbuff]

Isn't the Union Oyster House there too? Big tourist spot.


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[cdogstu99]

Yes forgot about that. Is a total tourist trap. Pretty historic area. Its where Paul Revere used to hang out.

 

[carbuff]

And the holocaust memorial in the park across the street.


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[Momoffourboys]

Ill try to describe as best i can. Bell in Hand has a front entrance where you lineup to get into the bar. Also there is a back entrance--where people go out to smoke in the back alley. I say alley but it is just a common area between a few other different bars that are behind bell in hand. There are also several other drinking establishments right next to bell in hand--to the right of that front entrance. Now if we look to the left of that front entrance to the other side of the street--thats where the Boston Public Market sits (on Hanover St if looking at a map. Its an indoor farmers market (quite nice actually) but it was closed but the lights i think are left partially on so it might have looked like another bar or store maybe that Zach thought he could get into. If he went out the back door for a smoke and walked out that alley (which is Marshall St) he's over at Public Market in only a few minutes--its right there.

Thanks for this. Makes a lot of sense.
I've gotten locked out of bars/clubs after going outside.

I think he was disoriented. Due to drinking and he was not in his home town.

 

[ninij9]

Hi!

Kinda funny- lived in warmth my whole existance - never thought about (until earlier in thread) that you have to pay someone to check it in and out !!Hey I probably would not even want to pay to check it IN!!

But as usual WS has been helpful. When I first heard about this, (a pattern now) check out some news clips, but when something feels wrong go to WS.

But at that point I was telling myself this is a missing person, happens all the time. But when I got here, was kinda validated, in that the tread was not at 42 - it was pretty rocking. Validated that there is something not ok with this.

And now, with all of us, we are not wrong. There is something very not ok here. And then its like oh sh$$, dont be stupid, with all the dishonest cops, politicians, teachers, priests bla bla America has lost it moral compass.

So, as we work through this together the more this seems as if LE knows this is an individual, but are being so sleazy as not to at least acknoldge something like "we have not ruled out a serial killer"

Bad for reelction. But we all know, if it were acknowledge (first step in realizing a need to "join" forces maybe we can stop this and get the person or copycats.

That is a sad indictment of where we are as a nation--whatever this is- it sure seems as if it is going to keep going on- and IMO that is repulsive
.

People are dying, and I think that becasue so many of these are not found with arms chopped off it does not strike many as horrid.

Drunk or not, for however long, in minus 9 has to be painful, certainly wake up ones inebriated self, which tranlates to feeling pain, confusion, difficulty breathing, falling shivering, hallucinating, -- it really cant be this painless suffering away until your body stops functioning>

I guess I am saying , it has to be a world of difference between a head on instant death - its a process of dying, sucumbing, slowly going away- and that must be a differenty experince than being in an airplane crash ... it just has to

...and I do think that is a componet of all of us being here on this one.......kinda want to maybe find out it was quick, if that makes sense

and from all we have learned and shared- at the end of the day - seems like he was , at the end of the day, a sweet, maybe lost at times, kid.

Doing the best he could when he could

its a sad story here

imo

I'm feeling you CARIIS. Well put.

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[Spider92]

was it an arrest?

No it was not. It was something posted by a family member.

 

[CARIIS]

Humm--
guys I must say I have learned more internet toys today than ever. Was fascinated in Insta, but only as it relates to what happened to him.

It gives one more "notions" than family has as it relates to him as a person.

It did, however, reinforce my limited notions about a lot of this. For the life of me , (at 57) just cant fathum, a need, want , or urge to take a picture of two hotdogs on some plate. The thought process prior to picking up the camera leaves me lost!!

There def was a lot of precocuption and focus on drinking and self medicating.

He did seem to have some folks that at some level (again, I go back to asking myself how close could I be if my communication is sending you two hotdogs) but that could just be my age!

Warmed me that there was some doggies!!

Dont understand the word ni#### in a casucsain setting?

But it was interesting to me and I thank you for the link.

At the end tho- it adds to the sadness of the mystery--just a kid being a kid in these times.

the eyes remain sad IMO in all the shots

Still no mention of a bio mother

or a sibling??

was interesting!

 

[cdogstu99]

No it was not. It was something posted by a family member.

You mean Amanda the cousin posting on that Facebook page? I honestly dont think there was anything there. That 'Heroin Killed My Town' guy has thousands of followers--my perception was that she was trying to get that information in front of as many people as she could.

 

[CARIIS]

Ill try to describe as best i can. Bell in Hand has a front entrance where you lineup to get into the bar. Also there is a back entrance--where people go out to smoke in the back alley. I say alley but it is just a common area between a few other different bars that are behind bell in hand. There are also several other drinking establishments right next to bell in hand--to the right of that front entrance. Now if we look to the left of that front entrance to the other side of the street--thats where the Boston Public Market sits (on Hanover St if looking at a map. Its an indoor farmers market (quite nice actually) but it was closed but the lights i think are left partially on so it might have looked like another bar or store maybe that Zach thought he could get into. If he went out the back door for a smoke and walked out that alley (which is Marshall St) he's over at Public Market in only a few minutes--its right there.

helpful post

pls no cameras.... nonsense and someone should go to jail if it discovered that they were tampered with

LE has not even stated there custumary there are other things we are looking at and not disclosing but LE stance not seeing any foul play is not only premature but it certainly does not sound like they want to really find out much

its politics obviously boston chief you have a reasonable problem on your hands

kids keep floating up dead all over your area and it does not seem like you are even acknowledging as something that is a concern

maybe time to learn a bit more about Mr police CEO!

 

[CARIIS]

Oh my goodness i know the face of the police cheif - he was actually quite good in the followup interviews after the Marathon hummm.....