Found Deceased MA - Zachary Marr, 22, Boston, 13 Feb 2016 #1

[Momoffourboys]

I haven't read or heard every word of what they said yet, but unless they have video of him slipping and falling into the water ... no ... you know what?, what are you even doing there in the first place? This doesn't make sense. And saying what they said makes no sense unless they have other info. This is stupid.

Very similar to Andrew Jarzyk. Except, Andrew was in his own neighborhood, Hoboken. Jogging at night. In pouring rain. Was pulled from the water.

 

[carbuff]

i am 2 minutes from the bell in hand today, and every work day, and i promise you that is not water. It is a tarp. there is a large outdoor food market on friday and saturdays, this shot was probably taken on an off day, when the stands tend to remain there, covered over.

as for the looking for "only 10 minutes", that keeps being brought up, but really we dont know how long they hung around, calling and looking for him. we only know that at some point they decided to go home and tried to believe that he had met a girl while out for a smoke. we have no idea what they were doing that entire night, how many people were called, how many "what ifs" were tossed around... we only know that by 10 am the next day, they decided they had done all the looking they could without the help of LE

I tried to correct it but it was past the editing point by the time it was pointed out

 

[ZhaZhaHa]

I don't know...I think this scenario is very likely. It's one I toyed with several pages back. He was waiting, phone probably died, and instead of waiting some more he decided he would just move (keep warm), catch a train back and meet them later. Train = warmth. If he had too many to drink, and no phone, he didn't know what time it was or what time the last train went through. He just decided to go. By the time he was there, he was freezing and less likely to be able to keep his wits about him. He might have tried to jump a barrier to cut across something and fell down an embankment.

 

[rotary_dial]

Looking at that area on the map, I'm thinking they have that entire area under video surveillance. It seems to be a key point of railway infrastructure, not only a subway station but also an Amtrak station.

There is no way they don't have a camera of some sort aimed at that bridge and other track leading into and out of the station. I think it's highly likely they have Zachary approaching the area and then entering the water.

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[ZhaZhaHa]

Looking at that area on the map, I'm thinking they have that entire area under video surveillance. It seems to be a key point of railway infrastructure, not only a subway station but also an Amtrak station.

There is no way they don't have a camera of some sort aimed at that bridge and other track leading into and out of the station. I think it's highly likely they have Zachary approaching the area and then entering the water.

edit: spelling

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There's also a jail and sheriff's department there on Nashua Street. Definitely covered in cameras.

 

[carbuff]

12:10 is the latest...
I once literally *lept* from the landing platform on to the back of the train, at 10:12, 10:15 heh. (Don't try this at home).

Heh. Some amazing things triggered by desperation.

I was referring to the until-2am service they had until recently. I took the green line home late at night last year, but apparently that was a pilot project that ended last December.

 

[Electric Sheep]

There's also a jail and sheriff's department there on Nashua Street. Definitely covered in cameras.

They probably have me on 5he camera. I walk that park to the end by the river you can see on the last in the photo almost every day. I live nearby.

 

[Electric Sheep]

There's also a jail and sheriff's department there on Nashua Street. Definitely covered in cameras.

They probably have me on 5he camera. I walk that park to the end by the river you can see on the last in the photo almost every day. I live nearby.

 

[Cape7]

That really seems like a stretch to me to be that far from the area in that short a time. There must be info they have that hasn't been shared to be targeting that area. If his cousin lives in Southie they must have known trains stop before last call and must have had a plan to get home that didn't involve the train-why would he head there instead of wait for his family? There has to be more to this than just a confused intoxicated kid falling into the water blocks away from the club.

 

[cdogstu99]

Are you effing kidding me!? I lived in Boston for 20 years. I don't care how drunk, or whatever, you are. How in the world do you end up in the water at North Station? And the last train to Fitchburg,for example, is at 11:30pm or 12:10am. This is just absolutely nuts.

Yes i just don't get it...how how how does this happen.

 

[Safeguard]

Heh. Some amazing things triggered by desperation.

I was referring to the until-2am service they had until recently. I took the green line home late at night last year, but apparently that was a pilot project that ended last December.

Yeah. That was after a 20 min. flat out run!
I was visiting friends in The Burg, didn't realize how late it was getting, had to work in Waltham the next morning, mad dash up the tracks, in pitch dark, lost my wallet along the way lol. Got there just in time to see the train pulling out. I was like, " Oh No! and just went for it. They were very understanding about my not having my fare. :blushing:


Last summer the Red line from Quincy stations was out on the weekends... (repairs). They provided free shuttle bus service to JFK. they do some odd things from time to time downstairs heh. I remember the late night runs, was very convient. Wonder why they pulled them?

 

[carbuff]

Yeah. That was after a 20 min. flat out run!
I was visiting friends in The Burg, didn't realize how late it was getting, had to work in Waltham the next morning, mad dash up the tracks, in pitch dark, lost my wallet along the way lol. Got there just in time to see the train pulling out. I was like, " Oh No! and just went for it. They were very understanding about my not having my fare. :blushing:


Last summer the Red line from Quincy stations was out on the weekend... (repairs). They provided free shuttle bus service to JFK. they do some odd things from time to time downstairs heh. I remember the late night runs, was very convient. Wonder why they pulled them?

Budget I think.

 

[ZhaZhaHa]

Google maps tells me the walk from the Bell in Hand to the North Station is about 10-12 minutes. That isn't that far away, IMO.

 

[Safeguard]

Looking at that area on the map, I'm thinking they have that entire area under video surveillance. It seems to be a key point of railway infrastructure, not only a subway station but also an Amtrak station.

There is no way they don't have a camera of some sort aimed at that bridge and other track leading into and out of the station. I think it's highly likely they have Zachary approaching the area and then entering the water.

edit: spelling

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Why not just come right out and say, "video footage, or (whatever,) shows Z "approaching the area and entering the water. Searches are underway" If they have info, I'd like to know what it is.

I really want to believe it was an accident, because the alternative is even worse.

But I dont. (At least not in the manner that is being depicted by LE).

 

[Vail]

https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2...harvard-man/pLMo6ls3KrMVveRGYDQFDM/story.html

Boston Police said Tuesday that video footage appears to show Zachary Marr, a 22-year-old who went missing Feb. 13, entering the water near the Charles River Dam.

 

[cdogstu99]

Why not just come right out and say, "video footage, or (whatever,) shows Z "approaching the area and entering the water. Searches are underway" If they have info, I'd like to know what it is.

I really want to believe it was an accident, because the alternative is even worse.

But I dont. (At least not in the manner that is being depicted by LE).

They did. From the Boston Globe:

"Boston Police said Tuesday that video footage appears to show Zachary Marr, a 22-year-old who went missing Feb. 13, entering the water near the Charles River Dam."

 

[carbuff]

That really seems like a stretch to me to be that far from the area in that short a time. There must be info they have that hasn't been shared to be targeting that area. If his cousin lives in Southie they must have known trains stop before last call and must have had a plan to get home that didn't involve the train-why would he head there instead of wait for his family? There has to be more to this than just a confused intoxicated kid falling into the water blocks away from the club.

I'm sure they have more, but it's not that far. Depending on the exact route he took, it'd be around half a mile or slightly more. Maybe 10 minutes to walk it.

 

[Vail]

Can anyone figure out what he possibly could have been walking to over that bridge on the tracks?While I can see how a freezing drunk person could fall through that hole, assuming it wasn't well lit, I just can't fathom where he thought he was going. :/

 

[CARIIS]

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[h=2]ANATOMY OF A DROWNING[/h]

Drowning is a violent assault on the body during which the frightened victim fiercely, albeit briefly, battles to survive. Death follows exhaustion within only two or three minutes.


..... Struggling is one of the key stages leading to unconsciousness and death. In fact, so intense can this final fight for life be that, in more than ten percent of drowning fatalities, an autopsy will actually reveal bruised and ruptured muscles, particularly in the shoulders, chest and neck......

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......, it’s often completely soundless. There will be panicked thrashing .....

... differing biochemical reactions depending on whether they’re in saltwater or in fresh.

.... last stage of drowning ends with coughing, vomiting, convulsions, loss of consciousness, death, and rigormortis....



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............this is where it will remain in a somewhat fetal position until gases from putrefaction cause it to rise to the surface once more. ....

A semi-fetal posture is the norm .............

.....if divers do locate such a body before it ascends, but it isn’t in this pose and/or the head is seen to be tilted to one side, they will include these observations in their police recovery report, as it reveals the victim died on land and was put in the water post-rigormortis......

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http://killingkillers.blogspot.com/p/drowning-forensics.html



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[CARIIS]

Boston Police said Tuesday that video footage appears to show Zachary Marr, a 22-year-old who went missing Feb. 13, entering the water near the Charles River Dam.
“The video shows a male heading toward the water and disappearing,” said Boston Police Commissioner William Evans. “We believe that is him. It’s a sad case.”
A law enforcement official briefed on the case said the video shows Marr on a walkway over the water before he apparently disappeared into the water.

http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2016/02/23/boston-police-divers-search-for-missing-harvard-man/pLMo6ls3KrMVveRGYDQFDM/story.html

May have been posted not caught up

Divers have returned after about an hour(????) searching the water.
under Zakim bridge.
https://twitter.com/AsteadWH