Found Deceased MA - Zachary Marr, 22, Boston, 13 Feb 2016 #2

[Cape7]

I think bars for the most part have to rely on their patrons' use of the buddy system for getting people home. How the staff deals with the very hammered patron probably depends on their behavior. If they are belligerent, they are probably tossed out and no one follows up to see how they are getting home. If they're out of it but not a troublemaker, they probably check and make sure they leave with their friends. If alone, they will probably call them a cab. Sometimes they will tell smokers "you can go out for a smoke, but no getting back in after 1:30". Zach left before the time when they lock the doors. I'm guessing he didn't realize they did that. Not all bars in Boston do. His cousins probably just had to wait at the coat check which caused the delay. Just a chain of events that had it not been so brutally cold would have probably had a completely different outcome. What happened to him at the bar probably happens every night of the year there, it's not usually extreme temperatures like that. Horrible accident, and agree that it was preventable if the bar decided to change their closing policy for one or two nights due to weather.

 

[frisson]

Maybe I think it is too simple, but for me ... a little common sense and compassion for another human being from the staff or whoever there at the bar.... could have perhaps prevented a tragedy.

 

[Dionysia]

It's still not clear whether Zach was denied re-entry or was trying to get into a door that was locked from the outside or trying to enter in a door that wasn't even the Bell in Hand.

 

[frisson]

It's still not clear whether Zach was denied re-entry or was trying to get into a door that was locked from the outside or trying to enter in a door that wasn't even the Bell in Hand.

I see your point; but why didn't he just go back in through the door that he came out of? There is a reason... and I think it is crucial.

 

[CARIIS]

Just noticed , in the first 10 seconds of this report , the train bridge. You can see that there no gaping holes . Tracks need maintanence, where people need to "walk the tracks. That , IMO, is why they were there repairing it

[video=youtube;6xiPV9Co5vA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xiPV9Co5vA[/video]

 

[Eileen730]

Once people go out the door drunk, how does the bar staff know whether they will be driving or not? Ubering? Taxi? Train? Passenger in a car with a drunk driver?

They shouldn't be going OUT the door drunk! That's the problem!
If there is an accident and there are fatalities it will all go back to the bar.
You don't toss ppl out on the street drunk where who knows what happens to u.
If u want a person out of your bar and he is with friends go get the friends and tell them to take their friend home... If the guy is in a state to get himself kicked out of the bar you do not throw him out to DRIVE somewhere. I mean really. Call uber pay for the ride.

 

[Momoffourboys]

Just noticed , in the first 10 seconds of this report , the train bridge. You can see that there no gaping holes . Tracks need maintanence, where people need to "walk the tracks. That , IMO, is why they were there repairing it

[video=youtube;6xiPV9Co5vA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xiPV9Co5vA[/video]

The track are not for walking. They are for trains.

 

[Steleheart]

Just noticed , in the first 10 seconds of this report , the train bridge. You can see that there no gaping holes . Tracks need maintanence, where people need to "walk the tracks. That , IMO, is why they were there repairing it

Let me understand. Your assertion is that they need to make the tracks safer for people to trespass on them? In that case they should stop running trains on them in case someone "needs to walk the tracks", they could get run over!


Here is what the Government says about trespassing on railroad property;

"People who access railroad property without permission are not only trespassing on private property but also are susceptible to life-threatening injuries or death. The typical trespasser is a pedestrian who either fails to use designated crossing locations such as highway-rail grade crossings and dedicated pedestrian access paths or walks on or alongside the tracks."

https://www.fra.dot.gov/Page/P0617

This assertion that people "need to walk the tracks" is bunk. Especially on THAT bridge.
MOO

 

[carbuff]

Let me understand. Your assertion is that they need to make the tracks safer for people to trespass on them? In that case they should stop running trains on them in case someone "needs to walk the tracks", they could get run over!


Here is what the Government says about trespassing on railroad property;

"People who access railroad property without permission are not only trespassing on private property but also are susceptible to life-threatening injuries or death. The typical trespasser is a pedestrian who either fails to use designated crossing locations such as highway-rail grade crossings and dedicated pedestrian access paths or walks on or alongside the tracks."

https://www.fra.dot.gov/Page/P0617

This assertion that people "need to walk the tracks" is bunk. Especially on THAT bridge.
MOO

I believe CARIIS is saying that the gap between the two sets of tracks makes it unsafe for the railroad employees who need to walk there as part of their jobs.


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[frisson]

In the video above (post 72 and below embedded quote 78) did they say, "at the locks" when they were referring to the bridge? And of so, what does that mean? Is that area part of a drawbridge? My sound is going wonky. TIA. I've read the whole thread and I saw the gaps in the other photos, but thought the gaps were there, necessary, bc it is a drawbridge. (?) But now the gaps are gone? It appeared that way, but maybe I missed something or I'm looking at the wrong thing.

I haven't been around a lot of tracks, but I'd be terrified to walk on them ....ever. However, I didn't know until I read it here that it was trespassing to do so.

 

[frisson]

Just noticed , in the first 10 seconds of this report , the train bridge. You can see that there no gaping holes . Tracks need maintanence, where people need to "walk the tracks. That , IMO, is why they were there repairing it

[video=youtube;6xiPV9Co5vA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xiPV9Co5vA[/video]

Let me understand. Your assertion is that they need to make the tracks safer for people to trespass on them? In that case they should stop running trains on them in case someone "needs to walk the tracks", they could get run over!


Here is what the Government says about trespassing on railroad property;

"People who access railroad property without permission are not only trespassing on private property but also are susceptible to life-threatening injuries or death. The typical trespasser is a pedestrian who either fails to use designated crossing locations such as highway-rail grade crossings and dedicated pedestrian access paths or walks on or alongside the tracks."

https://www.fra.dot.gov/Page/P0617

This assertion that people "need to walk the tracks" is bunk. Especially on THAT bridge.
MOO

I believe CARIIS is saying that the gap between the two sets of tracks makes it unsafe for the railroad employees who need to walk there as part of their jobs.


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That is how I read it as well, carbuff.
Maybe the half quote mark on, "walk the tracks -- was a typo.

 

[jggordo]

I have a question. Is there a problem with synthetic drugs in the Boston area? There are problems elsewhere in the country and LE is having problems dealing with it because manufacturers keep changing the contents. Prosecutions are hard because there are no laws yet against the use of these chemicals. K-2 is one of them and sold over the counter in convenience stores as incense and such. Use of this stuff causes unusual behavior among other things. I will post a link to a report here as soon as available.

http://spiceaddictionsupport.org/what-is-spice/

JMO's

 

[Steleheart]

Notice the gaps in the design. I think the maintenance people know where to walk. It's fenced off from pedestrians.

Upthread there was a picture of the drawbridge from the underside in the up position. The gaps are not something that needs to be repaired.

There is no respect for the victim here with these wild assertions that he was "tossed out" because he was drunk or that he was walking home. Now it's drugs. Sheesh. Supply some links.

-9 degrees with a wind chill of -30 to - 40 that night. He went out for a smoke, doors are locked at 1:30.

I went out on my deck that night for a smoke and got dizzy. I don't drink.

 

[carbuff]

In the video above (post 72 and below embedded quote 78) did they say, "at the locks" when they were referring to the bridge? And of so, what does that mean? Is that area part of a drawbridge? My sound is going wonky. TIA. I've read the whole thread and I saw the gaps in the other photos, but thought the gaps were there, necessary, bc it is a drawbridge. (?) But now the gaps are gone? It appeared that way, but maybe I missed something or I'm looking at the wrong thing.

I haven't been around a lot of tracks, but I'd be terrified to walk on them ....ever. However, I didn't know until I read it here that it was trespassing to do so.

The locks are how boating and shipping traffic get around and through the Charles River dam. It's downstream from the railroad bridge and--there's no gentle was to put this--that's where a body that goes in upstream is likely to be stopped. I don't know whether that's why they mentioned it though; my sound is okay but my hearing isn't.

ETA: it looks like there might be some locks under the bridge as well. I don't know about those.

Yes, walking a trellis trestle is scary. I've done it. At least this one has sides! [emoji33]

I'm thinking he might seriously have been headed home. It was too late to catch public transit, he was separated from his friends, he didn't have any place to stay, and it was cold but as long as he kept walking he probably didn't feel it much. The railroad tracks would follow the most direct route back to his neck of the woods. He'd have been back to the Littleton station about when the Sunday morning trains started to run again.




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[Steleheart]

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...ston-13-February-2016&p=12378382#post12378382

These gaps are part of the design. They don't need to be covered up IMO

 

[Steleheart]

The locks are how boating and shipping traffic get around and through the Charles River dam. It's downstream from the railroad bridge and--there's no gentle was to put this--that's where a body that goes in upstream is likely to be stopped. I don't know whether that's why they mentioned it though; my sound is okay but my hearing isn't.

ETA: it looks like there might be some locks under the bridge as well. I don't know about those.

Yes, walking a trellis is scary. I've done it. At least this one has sides! [emoji33]

I'm thinking he might seriously have been headed home. It was too late to catch public transit, he was separated from his friends, he didn't have any place to stay, and it was cold but as long as he kept walking he probably didn't feel it much. The railroad tracks would follow the most direct route back to his neck of the woods. He'd have been back to the Littleton station about when the Sunday morning trains started to run again.




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Well his Father dropped him off at the commuter rail. His cousin lives in Southie. The last train from North Station to Fitchburg is 11:30 PM. If he was staying out for the party I doubt he was trying to get back to Harvard, MA at closing time. That end of the station is heading the wrong way anyway.

“I dropped him off at the train [station]; he was psyched,” his father, Matthew Marr, said in a phone interview Monday."

"Amanda Marr said she picked up Zachary at North Station at 6 p.m. Friday, and the two drove back to her apartment in South Boston, where she prepared dinner for him: chicken, chips, guacamole, and hummus."

https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2016/02/15/amissing/6BE0O8J9YdUfZMkyit9OqM/story.html

http://www.mbta.com/uploadedfiles/D...ps/Commuter_Rail/fitchburg.pdf?led=12/14/2015 12:50:01 PM

MOO

 

[carbuff]

No, I meant after he had lost contact with his cousins. At that point he could have rationally decided that walking toward home was his best bet.

He at least wouldn't freeze while he was walking.

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[Steleheart]

No, I meant after he had lost contact with his cousins. At that point he could have rationally decided that walking toward home was his best bet.

He at least wouldn't freeze while he was walking.

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Sure, but I can see him trying to get to Southie which was likely the plan from the outset though no one has said so. But again, wrong direction?

With wind chills in the minus double digits there were weather warnings that night that exposed skin could freeze within 10 minutes. I don't know what the actual wind speeds were at South Station but here a wee bit north of Boston, it was numbing cold and difficult to even see because of it.

 

[CARIIS]

A little bit here:

TY



walking on the train tracks to the trestle bridge that leads over the Charles -

See more at: http://www.harvardpress.com/News/Ne...aits-news-of-missing-son#sthash.jPZkKTSW.dpuf

Does anyone know the exact name of the trestle bridge. I want to check out some pics of it . Other than one shot picked up by media TIA

 

[frisson]

Im still curious how the cousins got home that night Anyone know? TIA.