Madeleine McCann 3 year old missing in Portugal - Part 10

[Jdee]

You know if my child turned up missing... and I had all my friends in my apartment scrambling around looking for said child.. and then I call the LE.. and they too come in and scramble around looking.. and in this chaotic process my two small children slept on peacfully and never woke NOT even when the LE picked them up to carry them out... I would think that perhaps something was wrong with them. The idea that Kate didn't or G didn't makes me think they KNEW why those 2 kids didn't wake up so didn't check them.
My children are grown and I too recall that they could sleep through a storm or me vacumming... BUT a room full of hysterical people looking for a vanished child?

 

[CaliKid]

Very good point, Jdee.
The parents carelessly leave their 3 children every night to go out to dinner- it doesn't make sense.
Three parents leave the Tapas bar at almost the same time to check on their children, making it impossible to have the quiet dinner they risked their kids for- it doesn't make sense.
KM goes and finds Madeleine missing and returns to the Tapas without the twins- it doesn't make sense.
The whole group runs amuck in the apartment, contaminating the crime scene- it doesn't make sense.
Cuddle Cat is found on a high shelf or sill, not where it was left and the parents don't mention it to LE- it doesn't make sense.
The twins sleep through everything and don't even wake up when they're carried outside, but the parents aren't concerned- it doesn't make sense.

Nothing makes sense unless the unthinkable is true.

 

[Salem]

You know if my child turned up missing... and I had all my friends in my apartment scrambling around looking for said child.. and then I call the LE.. and they too come in and scramble around looking.. and in this chaotic process my two small children slept on peacfully and never woke NOT even when the LE picked them up to carry them out... I would think that perhaps something was wrong with them. The idea that Kate didn't or G didn't makes me think they KNEW why those 2 kids didn't wake up so didn't check them.
My children are grown and I too recall that they could sleep through a storm or me vacumming... BUT a room full of hysterical people looking for a vanished child?

I have to jump in here about the sleeping kids........ It is odd that the twins did not wake up. It is odd that Kate did not wake them up. I realize they are only 2, but they were in the same room. It would be instinctive to wake them up and ask them where Maddie was, you wouldn't be able to help yourself.

And then, it is LE that picks them up and removes them from the room...., excuse me, but you touch my two remaining children and I will break your arms. What is this about? People clammering all over the place and complete stangers remove your children from the room. I don't care if they are wearing uniforms...... it would take a whole lot of explaining, etc. to get me to let you take my children, even if one of them was not already missing.

K & G are full grown adults. They have both been to college, medical school and practiced in the real world. They must have some smarts, right? Their actions are the actions of MORONS. Their story is so unbelievable it is hardly worth commenting on. Which, to me, means they are hiding something. Something they do not want to be held accountable for. Even if K & G did not harm Maddie, I firmly believe they know who did and for some reason they are protecting that person.

Watching K's face in the recent photos and videos, I see an expression that gives her away. In one photo she is looking at G and I would bet money she is thinking "they don't believe us anymore."

In a recent video, it appeared that K's right and left profiles were at war. Her left profile was following what G was saying, while her right was saying "it's time to throw in the towel and tell the truth." Very interesting... I have never noticed a face before that appeared to be telling two different stories.

I really wish and encourage both G & K to move forward and tell the truth, no matter how ugly they think it is. If they did not harm Maddie initially, then their lies are harming her now. And what good does it do to protect someone? It won't bring Maddie back nor will it erase the pain of her loss. And if this really is all about collecting money for the Maddie fund, then shame on them. They are selling out their daughter so that they can live some sort of high life.......

All my opinion of course.

 

[Salem]

I posted twice - so deleted this one

 

[CarpeDiem]

You know if my child turned up missing... and I had all my friends in my apartment scrambling around looking for said child.. and then I call the LE.. and they too come in and scramble around looking.. and in this chaotic process my two small children slept on peacfully and never woke NOT even when the LE picked them up to carry them out... I would think that perhaps something was wrong with them. The idea that Kate didn't or G didn't makes me think they KNEW why those 2 kids didn't wake up so didn't check them.
My children are grown and I too recall that they could sleep through a storm or me vacumming... BUT a room full of hysterical people looking for a vanished child?

Your post is so on the money.

Seems the twins do have a story to tell about that night, just not in the way it first appeared.

If Madeleine was put to bed that night, she wasn't awake and didn't ask for Cuddle Cat, Kate has been telling little lies and half-truths, all those are being exposed and who is quiet now - Gerry.

 

[Texana]

Very good point, Jdee.
The parents carelessly leave their 3 children every night to go out to dinner- it doesn't make sense.
Three parents leave the Tapas bar at almost the same time to check on their children, making it impossible to have the quiet dinner they risked their kids for- it doesn't make sense.
KM goes and finds Madeleine missing and returns to the Tapas without the twins- it doesn't make sense.
The whole group runs amuck in the apartment, contaminating the crime scene- it doesn't make sense.
Cuddle Cat is found on a high shelf or sill, not where it was left and the parents don't mention it to LE- it doesn't make sense.
The twins sleep through everything and don't even wake up when they're carried outside, but the parents aren't concerned- it doesn't make sense.

Nothing makes sense unless the unthinkable is true.

Exactly!

Nicely summarized.

 

[AfterMidnight]

KM goes and finds Madeleine missing and returns to the Tapas without the twins- it doesn't make sense.
The whole group runs amuck in the apartment, contaminating the crime scene- it doesn't make sense.

Sure it does. Most likely they've read about the Ramsey case.

But, don't get me wrong. I have no idea whether or not the parents are guilty of "whatever", or the child was actually abducted. I'm still not leaning either way.

 

[BethInAK]

I have to jump in here about the sleeping kids........ It is odd that the twins did not wake up. It is odd that Kate did not wake them up. I realize they are only 2, but they were in the same room. It would be instinctive to wake them up and ask them where Maddie was, you wouldn't be able to help yourself.

My son is 26 months and he could absolutely tell me if someone came in the house and he saw it. He can describe all sorts of things that happened at school during the day - what he had for lunch, if he got a time out and why, who else got time outs and why, who he played with - i'm certain if he saw a sibling kidnapped or aa strange person in the room he would be able to say that. He might not be able to give a descriptoin but he would be able to let us know.

 

[calgirl]

Hi, I have never posted here but I read every day. I have to chime in and say that I believe that while the McCann's did not mean to hurt Madeline, I think they did cause her death. I believe what happened was, in order to go out and have dinner with their friends, they gave their children something to sleep (Benadryl or something else that would make them sleepy). They accidently gave Maddie an overdose and she died. That would also explain why the twins did not wake up while all this commotion was going on in the apartment. They were drugged up. What puzzles me however is that they must have moved her body out of the apartment before dinner. There was just no time to do it during dinner or after the discovery that she was "taken". I don't understand how they were able to go have dinner with their friends and stay so composed, knowing their child is dead?! Maybe that explains the frequent getting up to "check on her", so they could compose themselves!

 

[Reannan]

The twins are a big part of the mystery in this awful case. The biggest hit to my hinky meter, is Kate leaving them after she realizes Madeleine has been taken! WTF??? I would have been terrified to leave them. But then you have to imagine being the type of parent who goes on vacation with your children, and leaves them every night to go party. Maybe it was just a natural reaction. I am not trying to be facitious with that statement. Think about it. If you have left them every night, you really don't have the instinct to protect them like the rest of us do. That doesn't in itself make the parents guilty of murdering their child. It certainly makes them guilty of endangering their children, but Madelene's disappearance makes them guilty of that, and they will have to live with it forever. If they are innocent, they are the most wretched souls on the planet. Generally speaking, these types of tragedies are soothed with time. In this case, I think time will make matters worse.

 

[CaliKid]

calgirl, the time of death, the composure of the parents and how they would've moved her are the biggest stumbling blocks of the entire case.

 

[Schmerty_Jones]

For some reason this leaaves me with a SADNESS I will never be able to get over. ! Something that Parents would have & do is just not there.!!!

 

[docwho3]

Thursday, August 16 09:35 pm
". . . Mr Ribeiro said he was still "optimistic" about solving the case and added that "the parents have never been suspects". . . ."
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/itn/20070816/twl-strong-theory-madeleine-is-dead-41f21e0_1.html

I wonder why L.E. keep stating this in almost every news article where senior L.E. are quoted. You would think by now that they would begin to say "yes the parents are suspects now that we believe the little girl is dead." if they really suspected the parents. They would seem to have little to gain at this point in trying to lull the parents to complacency. The parents must know from all the media hype what much of the world thinks and so can't really be lulled much anyway.

 

[Shazza]

Nothing about this case makes sense to me anymore, but I truly believe the parents are involved, how I dont know, my thinking is mirrored by many posters here.
Please god let the truth be known as to where Madelaine is and what happened to her. I personally cannot take much more of this, it saddens and sickens me to the core.

 

[Lurker]

My 4 year old will sleep through a lot. I made it a point to never have it "too" quiet when he was a baby. He'll sleep through the vacuum, the phone ringing, the dogs barking etc. On that same note, he'll also wake up, albeit groggily of he's moved and he always wakes up if there's a different sense of atmosphere in the room ie: fighting, excitement, etc.
I think the twins were drugged but it can probably never be proven now unless the parents are caught on tape buying the medicine there. If they brought it from home, it'll never be proven. And I'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest that the parents won't submit the twins to hair analysis. LOL

 

[colomom]

Thursday, August 16 09:35 pm
". . . Mr Ribeiro said he was still "optimistic" about solving the case and added that "the parents have never been suspects". . . ."
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/itn/20070816/twl-strong-theory-madeleine-is-dead-41f21e0_1.html

I wonder why L.E. keep stating this in almost every news article where senior L.E. are quoted. You would think by now that they would begin to say "yes the parents are suspects now that we believe the little girl is dead." if they really suspected the parents. They would seem to have little to gain at this point in trying to lull the parents to complacency. The parents must know from all the media hype what much of the world thinks and so can't really be lulled much anyway.

This has been discussed alot on the Mirror forum in the UK and the consensus is basically....

(From my post #7 of this thread):


Q: Her parents are suspect?
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A: I said before. At this point of investigation, the parents of Madeleine and the friends of the parents are not suspects.
When someone is a suspect, is because there are evidences that appoint him.
At this point, if we dont classified that suspect as ARGUIDO, that is made by the the Public Ministry Procurator). The classification as ARGUIDO is used to protect the rights (Me: Our Constituition) of the suspect. (Me: Right to be questioned in the presence of a lawyer, controled inquiries, etc…).
At this point, neither PJ or the Procurator of the Republic made them as ARGUIDO, so there are not, at this point, suspects of nothing.
.

I believe that the last bit is very important when we hear that "The Portuguese police said the parents are not suspects."

I appears to me that the term "suspect" in Portugal would only apply if a person was placed in Arguido status. Therefore, suspect is the wrong word. I believe we would get a different answer if the question was asked like this: "Are the parents under suspicion?"

It is also interesting to note that once a person is placed under Arguido status they would then be entitled to the "Right to be questioned in the presence of a lawyer, controled inquiries, etc…" It occurs to me that the PJ would rather have the access to the McCanns that they now enjoy.

 

[april4sky]

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2005320001-2007380196,00.html


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/li...tml?in_article_id=475623&in_page_id=1811&ct=5

 

[april4sky]

As previous post another interesting article.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article2272688.ece

 

[Jdee]

I personally don't think those kids were checked on like the 'group' has stated. Someone here mentioned before IF they were checking like they said they were (every 15 min.) you would have had a revolving door of adults jumping up and down constantly. Keep in mind it is not a hop skip and jump from the bar to the McCann's apartment. It would take you at LEAST 5 min to get there, do your check, and then another 3 to 4 min. to get back to the bar. And if you were getting up in the first place wouldn't you take a bathroom break on your way while you were up? And did any of this group smoke? If so you would be lingering along the way to take advantage of that. So that would leave a revolving door of people going constantly in and out. I don't buy it. I don't care what they have said. I think at the most Madeleine was checked on twice that night. Once by G and once by K. Forget those other people and their stupid madeup stories of dashing men with a kid wrapped in a blanket.
Most of us here have all been at a party with friends or a dinner with friends and you stand around talking and drinking .... The idea that each one of the adults would suddenly break away to say.. 'It's check time!'... I don't buy.
And yes Salem it is odd that Kate or ANYBODY from that group did not shake the twins awake and ask the simple question. "Where is Madeleine"?
Remember the VERY young boy that recently wittnesed his mother's demise? And he said, "Mommy's in the rug, mommy's in the rug". Kids, even very young ones see things and do remember things.

 

[Texana]

Is there any corroboration by other people of the dinner party and McCann's "check" times? Did anybody else note the people getting up and leaving so much?

If indeed, their timeline is true.